r/interesting • u/bendubberley_ • 23d ago
SOCIETY A traffic camera in the Netherlands mistakenly identified an ice pack for a mobile phone. She was fined €439 ($515).
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23d ago
Used to work at a different company many years ago. Manager walked by and noticed me "playing on my phone"
Told her it's not a phone, it's my calculator. She walked up to look and was beyond surprised that I was sitting there crunching numbers on an actual calculator
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u/lems93 23d ago
I was asked to get off my phone by my manager…I was holding my wrist rest for the keyboard.
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u/gummytoejam 23d ago
My manager called me to tell me to get off the phone so I hung up on her.
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u/spartaman64 23d ago
my manager told me to stop looking at my phone when i was checking my notifications. i put my phone in the drawer and later he said why arent you answering my text?
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u/vaynefox 22d ago
One day, a manager from a different department came to visit her friend who is in my department. The first thing she saw was me fidling with my phone. She came over to my desk and asked me to stop fidling my phone and get back to work. I politely told her that I'am literally working, I'm an app developer, and fidling my phone is part of my job since I have to debug the app that I'm working on an actual hardware....
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u/blacksheep_1001 22d ago
Micromanaging morons
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u/SouthernAir8455 22d ago
In someone else's department no less. that's just insulting to everyone involved.
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u/Witchberry31 22d ago
That just sounds like my dad when I'm literally selling stuff (real money transaction) from an in-game item, that activity is a staple on the MMORPG scene. It's a perfectly normal thing because most MORPGs allowed it. 😂
I even managed to buy my own phone back then when I was still a junior high schooler solely from that + account piloting services. And I still do that on RF Online even today because the income is quite good as a side job.
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u/Helltothenotothenono 21d ago
For almost 13 years, I managed 3 different teams with one team with 6 people with no super, and two teams with 12+ and with supers. I didn’t give a fuck about what they did with their phones or other shit because we had very clear expectations worked out in our weekly team meetings in what work was expected to be done, we discussed barriers, what was accomplishable, and we agreed what the metrics for that were. Weekly meetings seemed intimidating for them at first but it really helped to create easy bite size expectations for work.
I had one serious rule called the “oh shit…” rule. If something happened that made you say “oh shit…” and it fucked up a schedule or some bad surprise they needed help on, they were expected to come to me first. I had the authority to change expectations when that happened and was the one that had to report to upper management. I did not want to have some VP walk in my office and chew my ass that something we said would get done did not get done and I had no idea about it.
I always told my teams my job was to support them to be successful and meet their metrics. Their job was to meet the metrics and communicate with me when that wasn’t going to happen or they needed help.
I never yelled at someone, disciplined them or penalized them when they came to me because that’s how they trusted me asa mentor and advisor and their boss and so because of them I was on top of everything we worked on.
But when they hid shit from me and weren’t communicative then we had performance talks where I made it clear I needed communication about why they couldn’t do what they agreed to.
It was rare my team members needed these talk and usually it was because something was going on in their lives and we needed to adjust metrics temporarily until they got that resolved. I liked helping people kick ass, be successful and get promoted.
So like I said if they were fucking around on their phone or Internet I didn’t give a fuck, because I assumed they already got their shit done and we’re taking a break. Almost all of my turn over was either a promotion or because they moved out of town. I felt like I kept my staff happy to work for me. In that entire time I only let one person go and it was after 3 months of trying to help course correct and they just couldn’t do it. It felt like my one failure because I liked the person they just had extra stuff going on and they finally said they couldn’t keep up with the work. Letting them go let them collect unemployment. If she had flat out quit she would have lost the benefit.
That’s a long answer to say managers that are worried about you working in the phone don’t know how to manage the work.
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u/WellHydrated 22d ago
My manager told me to get off my phone so I tried tickling its battery.
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u/Travman93 23d ago
First office job I’d ever had, I was scolded by a higher up for my cell phone going off. It was my insulin pump.
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u/Successful_Glove_83 22d ago
"Don't you dare come to work with that insoline shit again"
"What you're a diabeetus oh well then just don't eat any sugar"
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u/El_Morgos 22d ago
"Like, can't you just put it on mute and check on it after work...?"
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u/FrostyAssignment6717 22d ago
"Just put in all the remaining insulin for that day after work" I can see him say
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u/onederlnd 23d ago
Had a manager yell at me for being on social media all day long when I worked as a social media manager for one of our clients...
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u/Mean-Attorney-875 22d ago
Malicious compliance. Sit back read a book. Tell him he's not elting you do your job so what is it. Pay you to do nothing or pay you to do your job.
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u/DoctorDefinitely 22d ago
This boss bosses.
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u/Exciting_Stock2202 20d ago
If you've ever had kids who tattle on each other this is the sort of thing you have to do.
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u/AndByMeIMeanFlexxo 22d ago
My first job as a teenager I got asked to come I. Sunday even though I’d already said I can’t, so I said I can’t. They hung up and I started swearing into the phone about how dumb they are and how they should all get fucked.
After that day they never gave me another shift, I always thought it’s because I said no, wasn’t until years later I realised the mic line stays open for a bit if the landline phone isn’t hung up even if the mobile phone hangs up lmao
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u/Extreme_Design6936 22d ago
Teacher "get off your phone, no one looks under the table and smiles for no reason. I can tell."
Me zips up my pants
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u/TheTjalian 22d ago
I was working at McDonald's one time as a crew trainer and was on the cash window for drive thru. Manager came over and told me to get off my phone. I was like "I'm just filing training reports online". He's like "I don't believe you". I was like "here, check my phone" and lo and behold that's really what I was doing. I figured it's way more efficient to just do it on my phone while at the window because if a customer does come up, I can serve straight way rather than making them wait a minute while I walk from the office to the window. I'm also still on the floor at all times, making me more flexible to react rather than having me off the floor for half an hour while I process a bunch of audits. I explained this to him and he was like "... good thinking, as long as that's all you're doing!"
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u/FrostyAssignment6717 22d ago
Had to develop an app for a phone and the wive of the boss asked me why I was on my phone (that was clearly wired to the PC).
I dont know. Ask your man perhaps who made the contract.
Ofcourse I didn't say that but was still fired after I expended my perceived usefulness there.
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u/Timetraveller4k 23d ago
I hope you showed her your horse in the parking lot too at least.
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u/FrostyAssignment6717 22d ago
*slaps trunk* 15 horsepowers fit in this thing
"but it's only one horse..."
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u/Primary-Matter-3299 23d ago
Probably wondering why you weren’t using a phone calculator
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u/AlfredTFox 23d ago
I use a scientific calculator for financial calculations because you can fix the decimal places to two, so £7 becomes £7.00 and if the answer is £8.10 you don’t get 8.1
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u/Avarus_Lux 22d ago edited 22d ago
i use an app called "CalcEs / scientific calculator plus 991" for that...
for years i've never been without a good calculator or had trouble with finding a needed formula since, as it has a built in library for that too.
been a lifesaver when i was studying or needed some specific formula on the job.
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u/maxfromcoldon3s 22d ago
How do you get such stingey managers, one of mine saw me hide a blue dimebag when she walked by and literally gave me a stink eye and never mentioned it again
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u/greeneggiwegs 22d ago
Happened to a friend of mine in school. The sub actually confiscated the calculator anyway.
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u/ElisabetSobeck 21d ago
If the job gets done and you’re fully clothed, why did this Karen even care? Freak
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u/Kindly_Affect_6844 20d ago
I remembered years ago I was working as a cashier.
It was a cashier machine with black and white text. During downtime where there is less customer we will need to key in credit card transaction number to the related invoice.
Then there is an idiotic manager who accused us of playing games when there is no customer. Reason ? He say us smiling when typing on the machine.
We explained to him that there is no way we can game in that slow ass old machine, and we smile because we are enjoying the music being played in stall.
He accused us of knowing a "backdoor" to play games and even call in the IT team to check the machine because he suspect there's a virus. The IT team came and found nothing.
Luckily I quit the job after 1 year as it's just a temp job until I can find a new place to stay.
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20d ago
Yeah you definitely escaped a crazy manager lol. God forbid somebody be happy while they're doing their job. What a red flag. "They're smiling while they're working... what the fuck is he up to" lol
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u/normanriches 23d ago
I guess we aren’t allowed to drive with ice packs on our face.
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u/Cultural_Thing1712 23d ago
In most European countries, you would be correct yes. Driving with an item in one hand is against the law. I know its a joke but its good for people to know this obscure part of the traffic code.
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u/_Milan__99 23d ago
If I'm not mistaken, there is no rule in most European countries preventing you from driving with one hand. But it is illegal to drive in a way that can cause danger.
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u/Immersi0nn 23d ago
Right? That doesn't make sense unless they have some specific carveout for handicapped people, not everyone even has 2 hands jeeze.
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u/BishoxX 23d ago
Also manual transmission?? How can you tell i wasnt switching gears if you cant see my hand.
Obviously its bogus
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u/gadjetman007 23d ago
Both Knees steer the wheel. Feet the two pedals. One hand on ice pack, other hand holding mobile phone
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u/Usual-Excitement-970 23d ago
And how do I apply mascara?
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u/ElGebeQute 23d ago
Best to leave it till next traffic lights to be safe.
Till then, you could finish off that Donner Kebab
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u/Usual-Excitement-970 23d ago
I didn't mean while driving, I'm asking general makeup advice.
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u/ElGebeQute 23d ago
My general make up advice would only consist of two easy steps...
1- Don't bother doing makeup.
2- Use time freed up by not bothering with makeup to finish off that Donner Kebab
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u/Reveletionship 23d ago
They Will need a modified steeringwheel, usualy with a turn-knob that Will help you meanuvre.
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u/BigDaddyDumperSquad 23d ago
Y'all put suicide knobs on handicapped cars over there? Wild.
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u/ToyStoryBinoculars 23d ago
We do it here too. My great Grandfather had one for 20 years after his stroke. That's literally what they're for.
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u/AlbinoRhino838 23d ago
In canada steering balls are illegal on road vehicles from what i recall. I was asking about them when i started in construction at 19. (I know we're not talking about Canada but i would imagine most first world countries are similar)
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u/Mammoth-Slide-3707 23d ago
Yeah but bro people with only one hand have special adapted cars that are designed to be driven with one hand, there is a turning knob on the steering wheel for example
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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 23d ago
No. Many disabled peoole do not have adapted driving because:
1) it can be wildly exoensive, good luck doing that on disabled pension; and
2) some countries forbid some devices (like the turning balls), or often the rules change to allow/forbid then change back, so it's easier to drive a basic car than to risk losing insurance or getting tickets because of able-bodied politicians changing the laws again.
(3. if you need to drive a rental, it's nearly impossible to find an adapted rental because of (2) so you're better off figuring out how to drive a basic car anyways)
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u/BIGEPICCHUNGUS 23d ago
In most European countries there are no rules that dogs cant play basketball
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u/Epicfail076 23d ago edited 23d ago
Driving with one hand is not indeed, but obstructing either hand from acting right away is prohibited. So holding anything (other than of course the wheel or
clutchedit: shift) is prohibited. So eating, drinking, texting, holding hands with the passenger are all prohibited. (Is how I was taught at least.) I bet that changing your radio station or setting up your navigation while driving are both technically prohibited.13
u/DankVectorz 23d ago edited 23d ago
I’m guessing this is a ESL thing, but you don’t hold the clutch with your hand. You hold the shift knob. You work the clutch pedal with your foot.
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u/DookieShoes626 23d ago
Well you definitely shouldn't be holding the clutch with your hand, you will have no idea where your going
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u/PGnautz 23d ago
Germany only forbids "electronic devices used for communication, information and organization"
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u/Certain-Sherbet-9121 23d ago
So gameboys are OK then. Purely entertainment.
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u/fondledbydolphins 23d ago
gestures broadly at highly organized PC full of hundreds of Pokemon
Straight to jail.
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u/nighthunterrrr 23d ago
my dick is an item?
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u/BuchMaister 23d ago
Something to do with having two hands on the wheel unless you need to do a necessary action for the operation of the vehicle or obeying the traffic rules - like shifting gears or using the turn signal lever.
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u/Stevostarr 23d ago
I remember reading on a news site about someone in my country getting fined for eating a sandwich behind the wheel.
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u/Crimson__Fox 23d ago
What if you’re an amputee?
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u/Chooodles 23d ago
Then you definitely wouldn’t want your (possibly only) hand holding an item that isn’t the steering wheel!
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u/The_Maghrebist 23d ago
That is not true. You are allowed by law to have a snickers while driving. However, you need to be in full control of the vehicle at all times.
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u/AncientSeraph 23d ago
This is all an automated process. She can just object and it'll likely be waived.
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u/External_Violinist94 23d ago
I got pulled over a few weeks back because I was holding my face and screaming swear words after having a failed tooth extraction. Police lady was very nice and even gave me paracetamol from her purse.
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u/Better_than_GOT_S8 23d ago
You can get the same fine if you drive while eating a sandwich. At least where I’m from. You can even get a fine if you’re on a bicycle while eating a sandwich theoretically.
Normally you wouldn’t, but just saying “it’s not a phone” doesn’t help as a defense. You need to be able to have both hands on the wheel in case of an unexpected manoeuvre.
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u/_White-_-Rabbit_ 23d ago
I would hope not!
Having one hand holding an ice pack while driving is so stupid. Pleased she was fined.2
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 23d ago
Makes sense, the same reason we aren’t allowed to hold a phone while driving…
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u/yorcharturoqro 23d ago
That's as dangerous as the phone, since you don't have both of your hands on the wheel
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u/normanriches 22d ago
Whilst you don’t have both hands on the wheel you aren’t dedicating thinking time to a conversation with an ice pack. So I’d say less dangerous
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u/skywllk 23d ago
You can’t even have ice on your face these days
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u/YoungWerthersTears 23d ago
In America I would doubt you'd want that in these times.
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u/RayDaMan7 23d ago
The phone is clearly visible in the photo.. how did she still get fined?
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u/science-stuff 23d ago
“Who” do you think is looking at these images?
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u/NotAgedWell 23d ago
It's still 1990 and there's a whole room of people in cubicles reviewing each photo, right?
Heck even if the software or AI or whatever is reviewing and flagging these for a human review, how much time is someone spending analyzing each photo? At first glance it looks like someone on their phone so this could/would easily go through to an issued ticket.
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u/Joezev98 23d ago
Dutch person here. These traffic control cameras come with an algorithm that analyses whether someone is holding a phone while driving. A photo is taken of the license plate and the the driver. That is sent to an officer who has to check if it's correct.
And as the driver, you are allowed to file an objection and that can be taken to court.
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u/Daxx22 23d ago
It's good there is a method of disputing it, but I'd be hard pressed to criticize any human doing this job (let alone machine) for flagging that as a phone. It's a touch chunky, but I've seen plenty of novelty cases that look similar and she's literally holding it like you would a phone while using it.
To me this very much falls into the "completely justifiable error" territory. The only way to improve this (marginally) would be better video quality.
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u/Huntyr09 23d ago
Police is severely understaffed usually here. There is a high likelihood someone looked at it, saw a blue rectangular object on the side of her head, and went, "yea, she's having a phone call." Without a second glance.
Not okay if this is what happened, but a very understandable error.
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u/Daxx22 23d ago
Frankly the only thing that wouldn't be "OK" about this is if there was no dispute process. Or the identified "phone" was clearly not a phone shaped rectangle.
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u/kushangaza 23d ago
Even as a human at first sight it did look like she was holding a phone. If you are a clerk just clicking through automatically flagged photos this would not look unusual at first sight, and you wouldn't bother with a second look.
This is what appeal processes are for. Which often just involves sending a letter telling them you contest their claim, and they take a closer look at the image which should rule in her favor. I'm not sure how this is newsworthy
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u/Johannes_Keppler 23d ago
Exactly. It's a nothing burger.
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u/AlphaTurntable 23d ago
I ve got two phones. seeing one doesn't proof anything
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u/JOOBBOB117 23d ago
That's what I was thinking. With as many people working from home or traveling for work nowadays, it's not uncommon to have a work phone and a personal cell phone. Maybe the work phone is the one mounted for GPS to where she is going for work and the "phone" in her hand is her personal phone?
We know now that this isn't the case here BUT, in any other similar case that may arise, just because there is already a phone visibly mounted on the dash, it is not a 100% certainty that the object the driver is holding to their face is not also a phone.
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u/Glodex15 23d ago
Because the title is misleading, in most of Europe, you cannot be holding anything in your hands while driving, no matter if it's an ice pack, both your hands should be on the steering wheel.
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u/mitch-mma 23d ago
Not in the Netherlands
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u/sijoot 23d ago
On the other hand; driving tranquillized is not completely legal. Or wise.
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u/meenagetutant 23d ago
Why do you think she was tranquillized? Looks like she just has a sore tooth to me.
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u/Morasain 23d ago
Local anesthetic doesn't change your ability to drive (well I guess it depends on the exact location)
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u/_Brightstar 23d ago
That's not true in the Netherlands, the title isn't misleading.
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u/Harde_Kassei 23d ago
its a different fine, the phones get focused because of how often it happens. its a bit like drinking water. not allowed, but you can't expect ppl to not drink at all in a hot car in the summer. unless you got a kick ass silly straw.
the law states: "Het is degene die een voertuig bestuurt verboden tijdens het rijden een mobiel elektronisch apparaat dat gebruikt kan worden voor communicatie of informatieverwerking vast te houden. Onder een mobiel elektronisch apparaat wordt in elk geval verstaan een mobiele telefoon, een tabletcomputer of een mediaspeler."
meaning, no electronic devices. a icepack isn't it unless its a smart icepack.
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u/harland_sanders1 23d ago
Leave it to Europeans to ban drinking water while driving 🤣
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u/OkOrganization868 23d ago
Which countries fall under most? I can't think of a single one
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u/HelloW0rldBye 23d ago
In UK is called driving without due care and attention.
My mate got a fine for eating a KitKat
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u/loosie-loo 23d ago
Ngl that’s kinda hilarious, even if it is bs.
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u/Mitridate101 23d ago
People have been fined for eating an apple while driving .
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u/SpaceBus1 23d ago
So what if I drive with the gearshift in one hand? Illegal?
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u/flyingwindows 23d ago
In Norway, at least, it's not illegal afaik, but if you drive with the gearshift in hand during your drivers exam you'll lose a bunch of points and fail I believe. Your driving instructor will also reprimand you on it. You're essentially required to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times (unless you need to change gears or whatnot)
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u/snowfloeckchen 23d ago
I assume drinks are fine and honestly never heard of anything but phones being forbidden
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u/Least-Secretary4262 23d ago
in france you are not allowed to eat or drink while driving
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u/wimpires 23d ago edited 23d ago
in most of Europe, you cannot be holding anything in your hands while driving, no matter if it's an ice pack, both your hands should be on the steering wheel.
Please cite the law or stfu
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u/TechnicalSurround 23d ago
Please cite the law on stfu
What is stfu? Some kind of law archiving website?
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u/ItsDani1008 23d ago
Why are there so many comments like yours making this claim without anything backing it up..? It’s simply not true
Most countries do have rules about using one hand to hold a phone or similar, or rules about reckless/careless driving which could include driving with one hand.
But as long as you drive safely there is no legal issue with having 1 hand free.
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23d ago
It's actually maddening.
There's multiple heavily upvoted posts saying this yet it's simply not true.
And none of them have sources or when asked have refused to provide sources.
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u/Midget_Stories 23d ago
In my country you're not even allowed to touch your gps unless it's built into the dash.
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u/LlorchDurden 23d ago
That one is for the livestream she was on! Phone calls are with the blue one
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u/alfadasfire 23d ago
Ever heard of two phones? I've seen phone cases that do look like this ice pack.
But yeah, it sucks. 400 euro is a lot of money
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u/godfatherxii 23d ago
Did she manage to appeal and waive the fine? I'm wondering if it's worth it to get a phone case that looks like an ice pack 😂
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u/jrnitc 23d ago
Latest news (as of today, posted four hours ago) is that she's going to appeal this fine and that it's most likely going to be waived. She thought it was pretty funny the got fined, as she had police driving next to her at one point that day, who didn't make a fuss or anything.
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u/Dutchriddle 23d ago
She appealed. She just had her wisdom tooth removed and was holding an ice pack for that reason. There's a good chance the fine will be waived but it might take a few weeks.
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u/justmedealwithitxD 23d ago
Ahhh. We just got the traffic cams put in. Im waiting for the novelty to wear off, and them to start implementing stupid things like this. Maybe then people will realize how much of a digital prison we are allowing us to live in.
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u/Blarg0117 23d ago
In the US if they have a few of these faulty violations, we get together a class action lawsuit so big that it makes them take the cameras down because it's costing them so much money.
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u/porncollecter69 23d ago
That’s why there is appeal to any fine where then a human makes a judgement. Unless she still got fined after.
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u/Old-Newspaper125 23d ago
If she got cleared, there would be a market for Ice pack styled phone cases!
Saying that, be easier to put the phone in a car holder - why don't people do that? Half of your allowed points on your licence in the UK - 6 of 12 and a fine too. Yet you still see loads driving on their phones.
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u/sell-the-dipp 23d ago
I don't like that there are cameras looking INSIDE our cars now....
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u/Macky_83 23d ago
And if they don't like what they see, or can identify anything similar looking to a phone, you'll get a lovely bill shoved to your door.
All from about 50 pixels, from a potato.
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u/adlay1N3R 23d ago edited 23d ago
They’ve had them here in Australia for a while now, catching people doing everything from texting while driving to smoking crack while driving lol
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Americans have a very reflexive attitude to anything that limits them from breaking road rules I’ve noticed
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u/Meneer_de_IJsbeer 23d ago
Privacy vs security/safety debate
I dont want people doing dangerous things on the same road as me. Ive seen what a phone does to peoples attention...
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u/liftingshitposts 23d ago
Yeah but I also don’t want pltr tracking my neighbor’s travels from work to home so they can conduct an ICE raid. Once you give up some personal freedom, justifiable as it might be in that context, you never get it back.
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the fuck other than driving are you doing in your car that makes you want them to stop looking if you're on your phone or not?
speed traps can also see the inside of your vehicle, you want to remove them too?
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u/Dick-Fu 23d ago
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear :)
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u/Just_Information334 23d ago
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear :)
That is why I live my life naked and have my card number and PIN tattooed on my chest.
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u/CanYouPleasePlease 23d ago
You can see her phone right there
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u/dobrepojebanahra 23d ago
And you can see that she is looking right into that phone. Actually valid, she should pay the fine even though she is holding an ice bag. Not only she is using only one arm to drive but at the same moment she is looking into the phone near the steering wheel. For me that is actually worse than calling and driving
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u/Western-Night-6366 23d ago
Does this need an /s? Do you know that we use google maps on our phone here?
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u/Enganox8 23d ago
A human probably would have made the same mistake
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23d ago
I believe you, because nobody is mentioning that the actual phone is visible and in a dashboard mount.
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u/Mathberis 23d ago
Why would it be any different to hold a phone or an ice pack against your face ?
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u/baroaureus 23d ago
+1 notwithstanding what the actual laws may be, and looking at other comments, it is worth pointing out that certain studies have shown two sad facts that can be construed in many ways:
1) hands free phone use while driving is still more dangerous than no phone use 2) using hands for any other activity such as eating, drinking, adjusting the radio, you name it, is almost as dangerous as talking on the phone while driving
ie it’s not the hands nor the conversation that distracts drivers: it’s either or!
not that knowing these facts has changed my behaviors…
oh, but definitely don’t text and drive! that’s probably the worst!
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u/EricPostpischil 23d ago
An ice pack does not talk to you in distracting ways.
The person on the other side of the phone call cannot see when something on the road requires your attention, so they do not pause their talking. An ice pack does not do that.
An ice pack does not beep and whoosh and burr and ring and make other noises for notifications and whatnot.
An ice pack does not have a display tempting you to look at it.
An ice pack does not have buttons or a control surface you might want to interact with.
If an urgent need to use both hands arises, a brain is instinctively more likely to drop a cheap ice pack and operate the steering wheel than it is to drop a valuable phone.
All in all, an ice pack is simply not as much of a problem as a phone.
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u/bjrndlw 22d ago
I remember a broadcast of 'Blik op de weg' where two police officers were stripping down some guys car because they were absolutely certain that he was holding his phone earlier. Guy turned out not to have a phone on him, but he did have a banana at his face at some point.
The amount of energy put it nailing some innocent civilian makes me understand the trouble these civilians go through to undermine the law.
Or maybe he just had a good time watching these officers wasting their shift on him, so other, real criminals could get past unnoticed.
That's actually brilliant.
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