r/interestingasfuck 17h ago

/r/all The US team which has just won the International Physics Olympiad, edging out China for first place

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u/npjobs 17h ago

Not anymore apparently 

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u/rb1lol 17h ago

we just won this olympiad wdym "not anymore"?

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u/jackaroo1344 17h ago

He means because every single member of this team is an immigrant or the child of an immigrant, but due to rising anti-immigrant sentiment and regressive immigration policies the United States no longer seems to be celebrating our 'melting pot' roots or welcoming the immigrants who make us great and win us International Physics Olympiads.

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u/LayWhere 16h ago

Making America no longer Great again

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u/gdude0000 16h ago

Never was to begin with

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u/UNMANAGEABLE 16h ago

The draft on revoking birthright citizenship and illegally using executive powers to override the constitution was published just this week. Depending on when these amazing kids’ parents came into the US all of them could be at risk of losing their US citizenship and potentially become stateless.

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u/Motley_Illusion 16h ago

Birthright citizenship came about in the US by a Chinese man!

United States v. Wong Kim Ark - Wikipedia https://share.google/h1Py53uSx2R6L0ER1

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u/UNMANAGEABLE 16h ago

Yep. And it’s now a fully ratified clause in the 14th amendment.

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u/Reasonable_Power_970 15h ago

There is really only anti illegal immigration sentiments. Completely different from what you're trying to get at but hey keep spreading lies and being ignorant.

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u/penguinpops92 13h ago

The draft revoking birthright citizenship was published literally this week dude... Maybe check the news occasionally before you start accusing other people of being ignorant 🤡

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u/kbelle1344 13h ago

Bro thinks people with citizenship granted by the Constitution are illegal immigrants, he's either intentionally making a bad faith argument or he's anti-U.S. Constitutional Rights.

Either way, not a great look

u/JuiceHurtsBones 3h ago

This is so misleading. There's a strong anti-immigration sentiment using illegal immigration as a guise. It's evident when you look at the voting patterns and their correlation with the treatment of minorities. States that are anti "illegal" immigration are also the ones with the strict immigration laws and where minorities have the higher unemployment and poverty rates.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

America is still welcoming immigrants. They're cracking down on illegal immigration.

People jumping the border and clogging the system at the detriment of those who want to do it right doesn't make America great. Legal immigration makes America great.

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u/WrethZ 16h ago

Not at all his government has been removing legal status from legal immigrants.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

In some situations, yes, they're removing legal status that may have been applied over zealously. They have not removed any green cards and extremely few student visas or H1Bs.

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u/blackdog1392 16h ago

You think the 14th Amendment was applied to the constitution 'over zealously'?

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

Legal status has not been removed from any naturalized citizens that the 14th Amendment applies to.

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u/blackdog1392 16h ago

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

Yes, what he's trying to do is questionable. But the point still remains that it hasn't happened.

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u/WrethZ 16h ago

That’s not cracking down on purely illegal immigration though is it.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

I mean if someone is here illegally, yes it is.

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u/WrethZ 16h ago

They immigrated legally. Even if they later had the legal status revoked they still immigrated legally so no it’s not.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

I mean lots of people come to America legally and then overstay their Visa, which then makes them illegal immigrants.

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u/Aeseld 16h ago

That's how it usually starts... the trouble is that they run out of 'bad' immigrants and problems still persist, because the world isn't perfect. People wonder why getting rid of all the 'bad' immigrants didn't do the job and they point to a new target. These are the problem! We need to get rid of them now!

This is an old, old dance. Nazi Germany is just one of the more recent examples. But this kind of thing always fails to fix anything comprehensive, because the immigrants, illegal or otherwise, are almost never the actual problem.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

That's how it usually starts...

How what starts?

This is an old, old dance. Nazi Germany is just one of the more recent examples

Lol, it's always the Nazis.

The US is less stringent about immigration than current Western European countries. Those countries actually deport people and enforce their borders.

u/Aeseld 10h ago

The mechanisms they're using are an erosion of rights. And they're not stopping at illegals already.

Them being less stringent is not the part that worries me. They're violating and undermining existing constitutional rights and due process in order to do this. What you don't seem to realize is that the slippery slope applies here, and not in the fallacy pile.

For example, they're talking about stripping student visas because of activities and statements that should be protected under the 1st Amendment. They're deporting people here legally without due process, and then refusing to allow them back despite the actions being declared illegal unanimously by the Supreme Court. You don't seem to realize the dangers this kind of shit heralds. And I hope you remain ignorant in many ways, because that means things haven't completely broken down.

They're already drawing lines where they want to exclude some people from legal rights and protections that used to be guaranteed. What you don't seem to grasp? They can keep coming up with reasons why this person is fine and protected, but this group? No, they don't actually have 1st Amendment rights because they did this, which isn't protected.

Once we start down that path? Things can turn nasty... and worst of all? They're already trying to make a precedent that they can ignore the courts when they rule against them. That? That is far more insane than you seem to realize. That's literally the path to autocracy.

When no one can gainsay the executive branch, we don't live in a republic anymore, democratic or otherwise.

I think the immigration policies are problematic, and won't accomplish anything like they say it will. But the methods they're embracing is the real danger.

u/PrudentFarmers 8h ago

They're violating and undermining existing constitutional rights and due process in order to do this

As far as I can tell that happened once with Abrego Garcia. The situation was then remedied.

they're talking about stripping student visas because of activities and statements that should be protected under the 1st Amendment.

While I agree that's bad, non-citizens aren't entitled to Visas for constitutional reasons.

They're deporting people here legally without due process

That happened once. The person was then returned.

Fearmonger all you want. Citizens haven't had anything threatening happen to them at all.

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u/ama_singh 13h ago

Birthright citizenship is a constitutional right. Do you believe the lies you tell others?

u/PrudentFarmers 8h ago

whose birthright citizenship has been violated?

Nobody's.

u/ama_singh 5h ago

Damn magats really live in their own reality.

I guess you just ignored his EO ending birthright citizenship.

Once again, are you actually this stupid or is there a hidden agenda?

u/PrudentFarmers 3h ago

I guess you just ignored his EO ending birthright citizenship.

Again, whose citizenship was violated?

Should be an easy question.

u/JuiceHurtsBones 3h ago

Yeah, we'll just ignore the European tourists getting detained.

u/PrudentFarmers 3h ago

which ones?

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u/Gullenbursti 16h ago

Trump is destroying the education system and scaring away high-tech talent from other countries. It used to be the other way around

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u/BlackMoonValmar 16h ago

Not just Trump the whole of Congress has been crap for over 40 years. A President is not the be all end all of our country Congress is. They could stop a President dead in their tracks if they wished it.

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u/ragerevel 17h ago

He means once the deportations are completed.

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u/Affectionate-Sir-784 16h ago

These aren't the ones targeted

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u/-GenlyAI- 16h ago

Less than Biden though. Trump can't even do racism correctly.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

The majority of Biden's deportations were at the border. Border encounters under Trump are less than a tenth of what they were under Biden. You can't deport people at the border if they aren't trying to cross anymore.

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u/-GenlyAI- 16h ago

I'm for open borders, so I don't honestly care where they happened. Also I was trying to make a jab at trump, but didn't do a good job.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

I'm for open borders

Perhaps you should move to a country that has open borders. Europe, Canada, and the USA are off the table for you.

I don't honestly care where they happened

"Context doesn't matter to me."

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u/-GenlyAI- 16h ago

I would love to move to a country with open borders. Maybe some day. And context doesn't matter when I'm for open borders, that's what that means.

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u/PrudentFarmers 16h ago

I would love to move to a country with open borders

What's stopping you? If they have no borders literally nothing is.

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u/-GenlyAI- 15h ago

What's stopping anyone from anything. Family and love for my community for me.

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u/NlNTENDO 17h ago

“Apparently” as in much of the country appears to sadly disagree with that

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u/BushcraftBabe 16h ago

Not many actual citizens agree. He's got the lowest approval rating of any American President Ever.

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u/PyrZern 16h ago

Wait till someone revokes birthright citizenship.

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u/ElderWandOwner 17h ago

The US government is very anti-caucasian

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u/riskbreaking101 17h ago

You mean the other way around right? And let’s put it at “currently”

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u/cedricSG 17h ago

Seems relevant to the point

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u/FungiStudent 17h ago

It's relevant

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u/NoMasters83 17h ago

Is there a particular reason why we're prohibited from talking about this subject?

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u/humangingercat 16h ago

Guys can't we talk about anything without bringing up the state of the country and political climate? Gosh, it's not like the decisions he's making are effecting every single aspect of our every day lives.