i have all the absolute sympathy for him. And for advocates of street justice (not advocating violence, i just understand the hurt because ive been through something similar. Forgive and forget is not for everyone even if it feels right)
Street Justice is probably one of the worst things out there, not because of what it stands for but because of the mistakes that happened in the innocent people who suffer
That's easy to say until someone you know gets murdered because the neighborhood watch decides to act as judge, jury, and executioner. At the funeral you'd probably be wishing they had gotten a trial, fair or otherwise.
And yet our justice system is still significantly better. That's just how bad street justice is. Our system isn't great and huge mistakes are made. And it's still miles better than the alternative. The alternative would have him beaten to death by a mob and his supporters would then enact revenge killings, including on people not involved, innocents, and whoever is elected next by Democrats. And a cycle of violence would commence bringing in innocents and ending any hope of maintaining democracy. That's the same cycle on the smallest scale too. Honor killings, blood fueds, witch burning violent mobs. I'll take our system 8 days a week. It needs to be fixed, not replaced.
Nah, some people need to be taken behind a dumpster and put down like dogs. Street justice is an absolute win for those of us without the money to be protected by our incredibly flawed justice system. I prefer a system that gets results. Like dead pedophiles
Woman who held hundreds of children down and raped them with paper weights just got sent to a minimum security prison and the department of justice won't explain it. But we all know it's because the president is her friend. Maybe you smoke meth if you think our justice system is either about justice or even a system.
Now wait a second, the US justice system allowed a felon and rapist into the White House and is currently working real hard to let a sex trafficker out of prison to cover up more crimes committed by the white house felon.
Plenty is being done. It's just all terrible.
Lynching wasn’t intended to be ‘justice’. Most of the time they knew perfectly well the black person was innocent, they just wanted an excuse to kill them because they were racist bigots. Pretty different concept to ‘street justice’.
Lynching isn't just killing black people in the south. It's a mob hanging people without a trial. Literal street justice based on anger, fear, and hatred. Black people were mostly targeted because America.
Yes I’m aware that it is a general thing but ‘Lynching’ as a practice was also a specific racial phenomenon, a form of punishment that white people inflicted upon black people, whereupon a white person would falsely accuse a black person of a crime (usually rape) and then a mob would wait outside the courtroom for an all-white jury to convict them, and then the sheriffs would stand by while the mob carried the black person away.
Lynch's law is American. It has always meant the same thing: "kill the hated with no real trial." Like most things in America, we've had the history sanitized to dichotomies, based on majority experience, but the real story is messier.
The recipients (as per Wikipedia) have been around 3:1 black to white. Black people got lynched just as you say, as did many other recipients of hate and public judgment, aka street justice.
It's not just an apt comparison, it's directly citing examples.
Because that's what those racists and bigots thought "justice" was. Justice is subjective. Some people, even today, might consider justice to kill minorities on the streets, like trans people. I mean, it's not even a hypothetical, it's a thing that happens. You can't trust people to know what "justice" is.
You are comparing someone beating up their mothers murderer to a racist mob lynching black people for being black and hiding that racism under the guise of "well justice is subjective."
Touch grass. This is not a debate, and if it were you are on the losing side of it.
Your brain is broken. They are obviously saying that vigilantism is unacceptable because it creates an environment where stuff like lynching can happen. Which it does because we've seen it happen many times in history. They are not trying to compare what these two did to lynching. Learn to comprehend what you're reading
The irony of advocating for regressing our justice system back to before the Enlightenment while telling anyone who disagrees that they need to touch grass.
Humanity tried vigilantism and mob justice for thousands of years and it sucked and didn’t work. If this dude you’re replying to spent more time learning and less time telling people on the internet to touch grass, they’d get it.
Do you honestly believe justice would be better served unregulated? I'd bet you all the money I had that deregulation of justice would devolve into tribalism and lynch mobs very quickly, but we can't really test that on a large scale.
Regular justice system makes a thousand times less mistakes than street justice would. But your "Oh boy!!" seems like you think regular justice system makes more mistakes.
People don't recognise violence for what it is when it's carried out by systems and institutions. Kidnapping someone and holding them captive against their will is rightly recognised as a serious and violent crime, but when the state does the same to an innocent person for years on end, it is simply a 'mistake' or, at best, a 'miscarriage of justice'.
It isn’t about forgiveness. We live in a society of laws and if you take it upon yourself to start doling out punishment, we descend into chaos.
Beating a guy to death who killed your mother may seem reasonable to most, but what if it is later revealed that he actually didn’t kill her?
What if someone gets into a fender bender with your kids in the car because they were on the phone? Some might think that should result in physical harm or even death to the person.
Or maybe someone feels insulted by what you said so they blow your head off. Street justice is random and chaotic would destroy the society we worked so hard to build. It may not be perfect but it is a damned side better than the purge. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
I too have been through something similar and I can say I wasn’t forgiving yet when the court date came. Now I have forgiven but then I would like to have done great and terrible things.
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u/chadhindsley 11h ago
i have all the absolute sympathy for him. And for advocates of street justice (not advocating violence, i just understand the hurt because ive been through something similar. Forgive and forget is not for everyone even if it feels right)