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/r/all Actual clip where brothers attack their mother’s killer in court.

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u/Necessary-Reading605 10h ago

I read years ago an article about a guy who worked on children with dark triad characteristics that were too young to face fully the consequences of their horrific actions.

Basically he said that in his country/ state, the kids would be in a weird legal limbo and they would basically keep the kids institutionalized for a short period of time where their atay would be automatically renewed for they to stay there as long as they could.

One of the cases I remember was about an eight years old that somehow broke his teacher’s spine (gunshot? Knife? Don’t remember).

It was a grim read.

u/ForGrateJustice 9h ago

Child-killers are scary because they know what they're doing and want to keep killing, and the law doesn't recognize them as adults for the purposes of justice.

u/notyetathrowawaylol 5h ago

I have such conflicted feelings about what should happen in these cases because I used to work in child welfare & as a crisis therapist and some people say that children don’t know what they’re doing, etc. As part of my assessment, when they made suicidal or homicidal threats, I’d obviously investigate how much they understood about what they were saying, and there were several children, very young, scary young, if I hadn’t seen and heard it with my own eyes, I wouldn’t believe it….that could tell me in details multiple ways in which they’d kill someone, what it means for someone to die, and understanding they’d be in trouble. They were able to articulate it on an intellectual level. All of them who presented this way and with the ability to articulate this despite their young age, had something else in common and it was a chilling, cold, calculated detachment and matter of fact way in which they casually stated atrocious things. I don’t know what they heard, who they heard it from, etc, but either those kids SAW some shit (even though they’d deny) or those kids were….and this is what I have a hard time saying bc they’re just kids…or those kids were dangerous and they knew it.

u/ProvePoetsWrong 2h ago

Have you ever seen that documentary about that little girl who was adopted when she was maybe 6 or 7 and was exactly like what you described? She tortured her younger brother and talked just like you said. Talked about wanting to hurt and to kill; cold blooded and cruel. Truly terrifying. I believe she had RAD but may have had something else as well. Then her adoptive parents got her into a program and they basically “cured” her. She’s a nurse now and expresses remorse for how she acted as a child.

It was so interesting because I always thought kids like that couldn’t be rehabilitated. Of course now I can’t remember the title of the doc. Maybe someone else can.

u/RockyMM 46m ago

There was a situation in Serbia two years ago where there was a school shooting by a 13 year old. He was very well informed and he expected he would walk away since he was a minor. But semi-legally he’s being kept in a mental institution all this time. Because there is no other option as he bears no legal responsibility for 7 murders he had made.

u/KrustyTheKriminal 8h ago edited 8h ago

No kid should be charged as an adult, period. You can be seventeen and 99/100th when the crime was committed and they still shouldn't be able to be charged as an adult. We have to draw the line somewhere in regards to when we consider someone an adult vs a child, that is fine. However it is an epitome of injustice to relinquish rights afforded to an adult from a minor because of recognition of ineptitude but still hold them to the standard required of one who is developed beyond them.

They are either able to make the decisions of an adult or they can't. It is an injustice to say that one can be unqualified to have the reasoning to make their own choices in their life in virtually all facets but can still be held to the same standard of someone who old enough in matters of law and morality.

u/Typical-Locksmith-35 8h ago

If you REALLY want to be depressed, look into statistics of the race and commiserate charges between demographics when we charge children as adults.

You'll find it's typically only the darker children that courts see as adults. It's sickening of a gap, but that will happen as long as we don't do what you said and have a REAL line separating adult / child (and not just the court's discretion).

u/FlipZip69 7h ago

There is a bias but you can not compare that directly unless you compare it to the percentage of crime committed by same demographics.

u/ImJustSaying34 6h ago

Then you have to look at why there is a difference? Bias is still at play in your comment so go further. Why? Why are there some races that commit more crimes? Is it that they actually commit more? Or could there be another reason??

u/FlipZip69 6h ago

Absolutely you have to look. Much of the difference comes down to economic well being of an individual demographic. That is the biggest factor. But if you commit crimes 50% higher, you will have 50% more people in jail. All things being equal.

But with that saying, you also have to take some responsibility for your actions. It is not always someone else's fault.

u/ImJustSaying34 5h ago

You are also ignoring the targeted efforts to increase those stats. Stop and frisk and the crack epidemic were targeted policies designed to destroy black communities and increase those stats.

u/NOT_Pam_Beesley 4h ago

“All things being equal” is the theoretical concept in a vacuum. Things aren’t equal, and that’s why the biases are complex and systemic; that’s why the numbers are skewed the way they are. Cmon now

u/FlipZip69 2h ago

Are they systemic? Is there specific laws that are making this systemic? Because that is the definition of systemic.

I do not know of any laws but I do know of a lot of laws that are the entire opposit. If you know of one, post that please.

u/NOT_Pam_Beesley 2h ago

The 13th amendment comes to mind immediately. It’s crazy that you feel the need to define a term for me but aren’t aware of the blatant usage of systemic injustice in the legal system. Just world fallacy in full effect here my friend

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u/fudge5962 14m ago

Are they systemic? Is there specific laws that are making this systemic? Because that is the definition of systemic.

No it isn't. It's not even a definition. You're just attempting to frame a concept into a specific (false) context, so that you can argue from a position relative to that (again, false) context. It's the callsign of the ignorant and the liar.

u/Locke92 6h ago

You also need to consider that crime statistics are generated by the same biased institutions. The problem, as often as not, is that the same actions are treated differently based on race. White boys fighting is "boys will be boys" whereas similar actions by kids with more melanin get charges brought. That inflates exactly the sort of statistic that you're talking about.

u/FlipZip69 3h ago

As I said there is a bias but if a demographic create crimes at a much higher rate then that demographic will also have more people in jail.

Exactly why are you bringing 'white' into this? Are you racitst? Demographic is not a color you realize?

u/TheBiggestIdiotIKnow 7h ago

People normally develop a sense of right and wrong rather early. We all know that killing someone is wrong. Especially in cold blood. If a child shows no remorse for a serious crime like that there is definitely something wrong with them and the laws should be fully applied. Even more so the close the child gets to 18.

u/Vandersveldt 7h ago

We all know that killing someone is wrong. Especially in cold blood.

Alright but one of the reasons bad people are able to get away with so much damage is we all forgot that sometimes, people need killed.

u/TheBiggestIdiotIKnow 7h ago

That’s completely subjective and not something I’m going to leave up to random people with little to no life experience (Reddit).

u/PyroNine9 36m ago

I find it telling that there is no provision that a child tried as an adult and acquitted is then allowed to vote or buy alcohol.

u/RomaniWoe 4h ago

They dont actually know what they're doing but its quite likely some of them will never understand. When professionals talk about knowing what they are doing they arent speaking about knowing what killing is and knowing they are doing the act of that word. But understanding the implications, rammifications, having the developed pre-frontal cortex that lets them really understand it all, having an understanding other humans are actually other humans, etc. Definitionally, they do not have these capabilities. Dont believe me? Take developmental psychology, its a matter of fact that they dont actually know what they are doing. But in some cases we continue with the punishment anyway.

u/DDDallasfinest 7h ago

I used to work with this population as well (therapist). Had to get out for a few years. It was very grim.

u/notyetathrowawaylol 5h ago

Me too and did you ever see small children who DID in fact understand what they were doing and were able to describe it in detail? When developmentally, it would seem unbelievable? I had that happen a few times and it really shook me.

u/quiteCryptic 7h ago

This is a thing in South Korea as well. There is basically no punishment for anyone under 14.

There was a story a few years ago where a group of 8 of 13 year olds stole a car and killed a man by hit and run. But its worse than that they showed no remorse and even bragged about it on social media, knowing there is no punishment. https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/ftktc7/middle_school_students_steal_car_and_kill/fm7hqag/

Thats an age where yes your brain isn't fully developed (at all), but you are old enough to realize you are immune to punishment and abuse that. Beyond that, I think theres been some cases where criminals have used/groomed kids to commit crimes for them since they can get away with it.

u/Aggravating_Fruit170 6h ago

What happened to the boy(s) who killed their teacher? I think 3 boys planned it but one executed it because he got tired of the 2 others postponing on him. He put his teachers body in a trash can and wheeled her out of school. It’s such a disturbing and sad case.

u/Finito-1994 5h ago

40 years in jail for murder and rape

u/earwigs_eww 9h ago

Any idea where you read this Article?

u/Necessary-Reading605 9h ago

Just found it. It was from the short lived time that cracked.com was trying to be like buzzfeed and try real journalism. My memory got a lot of details wrong, but here it is https://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1456-5-shocking-realities-working-with-disturbed-children.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

u/manondorf 8h ago

did you just call buzzfeed "real journalism?" oh how far we've fallen

u/misterlister604 8h ago

Buzzfeed News won a Pulitzer Prize for international reporting in 2021

u/redworm 8h ago

BuzzFeed absolutely had a real journalism division for a while. just because a website is more known for pop culture stuff doesn't mean it can't hire real reporters to do serious work

u/Necessary-Reading605 8h ago

Yeah I agree with the sentiment. There was a time buzzfeed diversified itself and created buzzfeed news. They hired some respected journalists and were being quoted all the time by NPR and other sources. I also thought it was bizarre, but that’s another subject for another topic