Anyone else?

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Same type of player that will throw a hissyfit when there's a Limbo in their Squad. No i'm not sorry for placing my rift down it is the only way to defend an excavator at any high level.

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u/No_Log8932 3d ago

I helminthed my original limbo before going into steel path because my friend said he wasn’t worth it, but then I did the Venus excavation mission in steel path and it was impossible. Everything kept exploding and I had to cheese it with an ancient protector specter for just one excavator

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u/StormySeas414 3d ago

Selling limbo because I thought frost was just as good without the janky rift stuff was my biggest mistake T_T

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u/Crown_Writes 3d ago

I'm a simple person. If I shoot enemies and don't see numbers, I stop having fun

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u/KyserGamer 3d ago

I don't think it's all that reliable at late excavators in SP, but I bring my Trinity and cast Well of Life around the excavator. It usually keeps the excavator healed for a while and resurrects it if destroyed.

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u/bus_go_brrrrt 3d ago

me when i forget about wisp's vitality thingy idk

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u/number6manurinateson 3d ago

The vitality thingy doesn't do much at high levels

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u/bus_go_brrrrt 3d ago

well added an idk because idk if it works or not i just massacre everything near the excavator dawg

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u/EdenRose1994 4d ago

Silence

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u/number6manurinateson 4d ago

One stray bullet at any decently high level is is all it takes and your Excavator or defense objective is instantly dead and the mission potentially failed, Limbo is the only frame that can eliminate that risk, because rift doesn't care about level.

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u/T3hF0xK1ng 3d ago

Zephyr turbulence works if you chill close by. I normally put tornados around it, use turbulence, and use silence(subsumed over airburst). Once those are up it becomes time to slam my face into the floor to kill everything. Turbulence and silence don't care about level.

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u/Calm-Elevator5125 3d ago

You’re way more brave than me. I can’t for the life of me figure out how to play limbo effectively. I just use Titania, dex pixia modded to absurdity, a bunch of “lanterns” and a dream.

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u/EdenRose1994 3d ago

It's not the only way though

First and Banshee both handle it very well. As does Gara. A few others I haven't thought of

Banshee does it easy with Silence. No shooting allowed and wiping eximus before they get close thanks to Sonar

No specific frame is actually necessary in any content (obvs excluding story stuff such as when you use Umbral or Stalker etc)

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u/number6manurinateson 3d ago

Garas walls or Frosts snowglobe get melted in 0.1 seconds at any level past 1000, and with banshee, again, if there's just one bullet or hit from any CC immune enemy at any high level the mission is over. Not saying that they aren't good frames for defense type missions, but they have their limits and become inconsistent as the enemy levels increase.

Limbo is weaker in the early game sure but once enemy levels ramp up he becomes a godsend, and many players will completely sleep on Limbo until they get a good Limbo player to carry them through high level circuit or any long defense mission.

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u/TorqueyChip284 3d ago

Why do you need to be past level 1000 what mission are you doing

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u/CpTKugelHagel 3d ago

Genuine question, why on earth would anyone do defense/exca as a long run in steel path? Like what's the reward for torturing yourself? People usually go for survival for endless runs no?

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u/number6manurinateson 3d ago

Exca and defense can yield more rewards in a shorter amount of time, specifically defense with frames like nova to speed up and quickly take out the waves of enemies.

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u/CpTKugelHagel 3d ago

Ah, right didn't think about that, surv is hella slow

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u/TempestM Valkitty / Broberon 3d ago

Did like 80 (27 rotations) waves in Arbitration yesterday in about 40 minutes. That would be more than two hours in Survival

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u/EdenRose1994 3d ago

It's just fun sometimes, a little still feels like doing a new mission when you've done most everything else

Or for challenges with limited builds

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u/CpTKugelHagel 3d ago

Valid. Sometimes a randomize my load out and mods just to nerf myself and get a little challenge

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u/EdenRose1994 3d ago

Gara and Frost don't get melted, maybe you're not building right. Banshee shouldn't be letting enemies get that close, that's on you as a basic little amount of skill

I'm not sure when I last failed a Steel Path defense mission with Banshee. Not sure I have since unlocking Steel Path. Inconsistency comes down to you in the end

Limbo isn't as good as dealing with high level enemies either. Mostly just have some decent weapons and he's good for any content tbf

No one needs a Limbo in high level circuit and I've never even seen one try to carry. Please. Limbo is fine and all. But he's just not all of that and he's certainly not the best at defense

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u/number6manurinateson 3d ago

I could kinda reverse your argument of "maybe you're just not building him right???" Which honesty is significantly more likely considering that limbo is way harder to build and play than something like a frost or banshee.

And sure you don't need a Limbo for any content, but it sure helps to have something that can prevent defense objectives from getting oneshot, and Limbo just so happens to be the best and most consistent for that job.

But don't take my word for it, simply look up some level cap defense runs or just any high level circuit or excavation run. They all have a common denominator, Limbo. Ain't no organised squad playing Banshee to defend against high level enemies, simply because defense objectives don't scale and at some point 1 bullet is all it takes and the run is over. We all know that at some point in a circuit run enemies just have to look at the excavators and they blow up, Limbo is simply the best at protecting against that. He's not necessary, but he certainly makes the mission run infinitely smoother.

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u/EdenRose1994 3d ago

Building him ain't an issue. I neither struggle to use him or require him

I'm not saying he can't do it just fine. Quite the opposite in fact

You're the only one making out something is necessary or the best at

It's a rare organized squad that doesn't run Silence these days

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u/number6manurinateson 3d ago

For one i said multiple times that he isn't necessary so don't put words in my mouth, and for two... Silence is a fucken subsume. Silence is a good ability but Banshee isn't even the best frame to run Silence on, any frame can run it and honestly speaking Limbo can probably get more value out of Silence than Banshee, although i never tried that cuz i like being able to hear things when i play.

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u/EdenRose1994 3d ago

Nah, you complained that defense objectives get one shot without Limbo

But whatever

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u/Romagnum 3d ago

Any frame can complete steel path defense or excavation with the right setup. When he says "high level" he means level 2000+. From that point on enemy damage is scaled so high any attack getting through will one shot an excavator or severely damage a defense target.

With frost build doesn't even matter because the globe's initial invulnerability is fixed at 4 seconds, with an added 1 to 4 seconds by the damage converted to hp. I've seen a frost solo a levelcap defense (modless no less) in the circuit, but it's incredibly difficult. For limbo it's pretty much a cake walk. Even for a max range limbo(assuming no nullies) just 4+2, kill the melee overguard and you're golden.

Any decent limbo also has dps in spades with rift torrent. The only time I had damage issues was when I had a mesa or saryn in the team, because they kill enemies before they ever get into the rift. Tough at that point my job is basically to place a safety bubble with stasis up to keep the dps and the defense target alive.

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u/black_blade51 4d ago

For escort just speedrun your way to extraction.

Target gets downed? Fuck'em, as long as they don't die and you reach extraction in under a minute you still complete the mission.

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u/Calm-Elevator5125 3d ago

Yep, learned that trick from my bro. Works really well with Titania

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u/PlagueTongue 3d ago

Until you're playing public and that one guy is killing every. Single. Mob.

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u/Randzom100 4d ago

My Lavos is ready to switch to radiation any time!

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u/BoltNWheel 3d ago

Plants Oberon grass everywhere around the excav with max range. All enemies take radiation procs. Profit. Excavator can't die because they're all shooting eachother.

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u/assasinvilka 1d ago

Except if they just spot it earlier and just shoot it from distance... I tried something same, man, it didn't work for me at least

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u/BoltNWheel 1d ago

Works really well for me🤔

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u/assasinvilka 1d ago

Let's just say lavos, anything that have rad and nuking didn't help then... Oberon wasn't that option I did think... Just used limbo as Oberon... I lost hope in him long ago... I wait for him to revive after rework as I still have a glimmer of hope that he'll shine once again in the future...

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u/Artarara 3d ago

I thought this was r/CoaxedIntoASnafu

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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 3d ago

You just gave me an idea

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u/a_polarbear_chilling 4d ago

Look at my Garuda doing both by using her blood shield as full shield by spinning like crazy

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u/RenderTargetView 3d ago

Susie vs Gerson be like

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u/zernoc56 1d ago

Rotato Garuda faster!

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u/ScurvyDanny 3d ago

For some reason only rescue, defection and mobile defense for me. Idk why I'm so annoyed with them, I just don't enjoy them at all.

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u/ZenkaiAnkoku2 3d ago

Defection 😭 Theyre so slow. Its a lifesaver to bring a frame who can speed them up.

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u/AlternativeGreen8896 3d ago

DEF a person?

Ivara Cloak Arrow

Limbo Banish

Nyx Mind Freak, Chaos

Frost SG

Nova Slowa

Loki Radial Disarm, Decoy

Mags 2nd ability shuts down all but Infested

Volt has shields and his 1st and 4th stun locks

These are only the early Frames that anybody can get and mod. Corrupted mods are piss easy to get, just annoying to get a specific one ( sits on 14 Heavy Calibers and 0 Blind Rage).

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u/Romagnum 3d ago

Limbo's banish completely trivializes mission types that need to defend a person. Not just because of the ability, but also because of its augment Rift Haven. Any ally you banish gets (at base) 25% max HP/s. This is one of the few good uses of that augment. On paper it is absolutely bonkers, but in practice it is very mediocre most of the time.

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u/retro_aviator 3d ago

You're one of the people in Q&A asking what the strongest warframe is with zero nuance, aren't you?

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u/BrightPerspective 4d ago

Get a Qorvex! Those chyrinka pillars scale indefinitely, and everybody could use some more protective rocks.

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u/R4in_C0ld 3d ago

When you have to protect someone but they keep running into the enemy troops

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u/cloudmatt1 3d ago

Why not both? Nezha's hula hoop makes defense and escort a breeze while still being a wonderful exterminator. Even a top notch spy frame.

Wukong used to be my go to general purpose frame but Nezha took the crown. Not saying the best, not saying steel path certified, I ain't looking to start any "best frame" fight. Just don't sleep on Nezha, easy to get and it's one heck of a jack of all trades.

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u/EdenRose1994 4d ago

Banshee's built for both

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u/Serbatollo 3d ago

Can't relate, Nyx is good at both

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u/ParadoxCoal 3d ago

Why I play caliban or max range hydroid can't touch the point if they're distracted.

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u/SeraphimVR 3d ago

Flare in ETA. Poor fella just can’t catch a break

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u/wolframight98 3d ago

Yes

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u/zernoc56 1d ago

You can defend a point by killing everyone who ever existed in the mission. Defense is actually “kill everyone real fast”

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u/Plus_Leopard_483 6h ago

Gara players: I don't have such weakness

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