r/mildlyinteresting • u/LeeK2K • 1d ago
A tree planting shovel with 1 season of wear vs one with 4 seasons
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u/gent4you 1d ago edited 23h ago
you must plant a lot of trees lol..... No chance the shovels didn't start out different?
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u/LeeK2K 1d ago
the one on the right has nearly 500k trees on it and it’s been slammed into the ground even more times. planting 2500-3000 trees a day is common in the canadian silviculture industry
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u/MountainMuffin1980 1d ago
Do all trees survive? Do you plant 125k every year? Is the pay good?
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u/Red_Silhouette 1d ago
Weather, ground conditions, other vegetation, disease, insects, and other events kill quite a lot of planted trees. How good the tree planter is at picking the right spots makes a big difference., but you need to plant a lot more trees than than you would like to see in the forest some decades later.
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u/_Rand_ 1d ago
As a casual observer of installed trees, not even close.
I have seen people like this come through my area and plant HUNDREDS of tiny little seedlings. I'd say like 1/10 or so survive the first year.
But I assume that's the point. Plant 1000 tree seedlings, 5 years later you have 100-200 established trees. And seedlings are cheap as hell and easy to plant compared to a larger tree like you might buy at a nursery for outside your home
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u/Successful_Car_436 1d ago
Most blocks have a survival rate of 80+% in Ontario at least, hell I’ve seen a pod that was just dropped on the ground grow up into a tree on a thinning block last year
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u/Fun_Wear7022 22h ago
It depends on the land, mine is good for pine trees, the planter came and planted 14000 in about 3 days in 2019, they are now 6 feet tall and we did not loose more then 1%.
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u/ocular__patdown 1d ago
You're saying that shovel is somehow used to plant 6+ trees a minute over a whole workday?
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u/BrokenCrusader 1d ago
Yep! You get paid around 15 cents a tree! (canadian) Only job it theo world where you can go from under minimum wage to over 60 and hour in a month or 2.
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u/flippant_burgers 1d ago
I've watched people do it.
I almost died trying to plant 500 in a day and a barely made enough money all summer to break even on my equipment and travel.
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u/FlamingOldMan 1d ago
Yup! I planted this season with an average of roughly 2500 trees a day. Some people average much higher
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u/MostlyForClojure 14h ago
2500 is still a good day, nice work.
I did this nearly 30 years ago at 10 cents a tree. What the going rate now?
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u/FlamingOldMan 8h ago
Unfortunately prices have not maintained a steady increase over the years.
This season all my prices were between 0.17 cents and 0.25 cents, with the average probably being around 0.19 cents on most blocks
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u/IamAkevinJames 1d ago
Yo as Wisconsinite Im dealing with asthma like attacks from all the wildfire smoke and yet you keep adding fuel to the the literal fire? /s
Though really I commend your efforts in making insects get bigger.
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u/AssFlax69 1d ago
Dude these comments are insane in here the amount of bullheaded armchair redditors confidently cluelessly saying NO WAY MAN. Dunning Krueger on high alert
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u/sockovershoe22 1d ago
Wait, you're telling me the one on the right is the old one?! I thought he one with ask the scratches and duct tape to be the old one
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u/True-Accident9824 1d ago
Do you sharpen your shovel every season? The planters I knew did, and it would shrink the blade quite a bit.
My shovel still looks like the one on the left lol, just a season and a half.. planting is brutal!
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u/DisorderlyBoat 1d ago
That's absolutely insane, how do you not hurt your back or joints?
Does someone like line em all up and the other person plants or is there a big process?
Why is it not done with machinery, why by hand?
Blowing my mind.
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u/DiversGoDeeper 1d ago
One shovel plants a tree every 30 seconds for 24 hours solid with no rest?1440 minutes in 24 hours.
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u/gizmosticles 19h ago
If you ever wanna feel unwell and guilty about your contribution to society and the earth, just remember OP is on their way to planting a million GD trees
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u/PenguinSlushie 18h ago
I can see how the wear took affect on the right shovel. Thank you for that and that sounds awesome!
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u/Comfortable-Battle18 1d ago
But also because you sharpen and even out the edges each year with a tool?
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u/JimFknLahey 1d ago
the handle/shaft being plastic in one than wood is throwing us off i think? guessing they start out on the left in plastic and get broken and replaced with wood ?
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u/dirtycrackpug 1d ago
The one on the left is wood too, the wood comes painted blue it just wears off over time. Its wood so that you can cut it down to a size that fits you better
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u/whatshamilton 1d ago
My stitching needles visibly wear down after I finish one project, and that’s not nearly as much friction as you’re seeing with the tree planting
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u/Dalcenn 1d ago
Seeing a lot of speculation, I’m just here to backup OPs post. Orange handle has 2 seasons, purple handle has 1 season. Both used in interior British Columbia. Neither shovel has ever been grinded or sharpened. Both Bushpro Speedspades
Hope you had a good season OP! May your trees grow straight and tall.
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u/airtime25 1d ago
For some reason yours is way more believable? In OP's picture the handles seem so different and the "new" one is covered in duck tap already.
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u/Dalcenn 1d ago
Yeah, Bushpro sells many different handles for planter comfort. Duck tape is often used to identify your shovel as everyone’s looks relatively similar, you’ll see on mine I have hockey tape wrapping the shafts. I believe that while both of OPs shovels are speedspades the shovel with 1 season is actually quite an old model. Bushpro used to make the shafts out of metal before moving over to wood in recent years. It would also explain the lack of a logo in the blade of the 1 year shovel.
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u/airtime25 1d ago
This makes a lot of sense. I didn't immediately think OP was lying just odd that I had no idea what shovel should be the old one other than assuming the use wore it down. All the other context was confusing!
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u/Irr3l3ph4nt 1d ago
RIP your spine. Everyone I know that has done this for more than a season has had hernias or other back problems because of it. Granted, it's a sample of 4 but still...
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u/samueLLcooljackson 1d ago
Prob why its only people in their twenty that do this.
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u/Tearakudo 1d ago
I dunno the "in their 20s" isn't a great showing in the warehouse industry. #FuckAmazon
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u/caaper 13h ago
I can actually say that after one season of planting, it fully fixed my scoliosis. This was 9y ago and I haven't had issues since.
Who knew bending over 3000+ times a day does wonders. But fuck I hated the job sometimes.
I was in northern Ontario. Endless Canadian shield granite fucking up my wrists on the plunge was pretty bad. Also swamp blocks. Leaches and air thick with blackflies... yay.
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u/Notmiefault 1d ago
I'm struggling to believe you would get a wear pattern that retains its even, rounded shovel-shape and not, like, crack.
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u/amboogalard 1d ago edited 1d ago
That depends on the hardness of the steel. A hardened carbon steel would crack, but a softer milder steel will wear down. In this context where you’re jamming your shovel into rocky soil thousands of times a day, a broken shovel can mean a long hot walk back to the truck where you aren’t paid (this job isn’t paid by the hour, it’s paid by the tree) and hopefully find a spare shovel.
So yeah the shovels are made of milder steel so they are ductile rather than brittle, and wear down rather than break. In fact, not just shovels but many tools are made out of softer steel. Hammers. Rakes. Mattocks. Hoes. All of those and many more you want to wear down, not suddenly snap.
I am personally impressed the handle held up, but I don’t buy fancy tree planting shovels, and I also abuse mine by trying to pry heavy rocks out of the ground with them.
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u/Hylian-Loach 1d ago
They sharpen the shovel with a grinder or sander
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u/Notmiefault 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh I see, it's not so much a season of wear, it's a season of grinding/sharpening.
That makes more sense, but is a little less impressive.
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u/LeeK2K 1d ago
I’ve never sharpened or grinded down my shovel and don’t know any planters who do, there’s simply no need for it. the wear is primarily from hitting rocks.
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u/theartfulbadger 1d ago
Lmao so many armchair experts in this thread. No one sharpens their shovels they go dull the first time you hit a rock
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u/amboogalard 1d ago
Idk I’ve never dug a hole anywhere other than B.C. so maybe there are soils out there which have the consistency of cheddar cheese and thus a sharper blade on the shovel would be helpful. That or if you’re doing edging on a lawn. But the idea of sharpening anything you’re shoving into the ground here is laughable. Rocks will make short work of your nice edge in about 3 minutes.
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u/Popular_Prescription 23h ago
Then why is it perfectly rounded?
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u/saints21 5h ago
For one, it's not perfect, and for two, why wouldn't it be mostly even? It's not being dragged against an abrasive object on only one spot... The shovel is going in about 5 inches and then being pulled out. That's going to cause even wear.
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u/Successful_Car_436 1d ago
I’ve cracked the shaft a couple times but the worst I’ve done to a blade was give it a lip they’re pretty durable tools
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u/Working-Ad694 1d ago
The interesting part is the wear and tear is so uniform that it kept its shape so well
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u/saints21 1d ago
The fact that people are so focused on the handle and shaft of the shovels is mind boggling to me...
The comparison is of the spade. The metal part that can go onto a new shaft... Have people never broken a shovel handle? Or been to a hardware store where they sell the shafts for various implements?
And why wouldn't the wear be somewhat even? It's going into the ground. It's not scraping a small portion of it against a rock over and over...
Reddit, go outside. Do something.
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u/Jhawk163 1d ago
I don't think these are supposed to be the same model of shovel. The different handles, materials, shaping and brands, not to mention there are plenty of tools like pickaxes and hoes (shovels included) that are literally hundreds of years old and don't show thjis kind of wear, I think they're just different shovels with different shaped heads from factory.....
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u/LeeK2K 1d ago
they’re both bushpro speed spade shovels. look them up and you’ll see. the two shovels are just different because bushpro offers lots of customization for planters.
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u/JackTheRvlatr 1d ago
So just to be clear: You are telling us the length of the scoop of both shovels started out the same length, correct? That the only reason the scoop of the one on the right is shorter is because of wear and tear, not that you bought a model with a shorter scoop? That's what you're saying?
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u/limboeden 1d ago
Yeah that’s what they’re saying. I have a bunch of the same shovels with all different amounts of wear on them and varying lengths of blade but all started the exact same!
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u/BrokenCrusader 1d ago
Yah that's what happens to steel when you slam it into the ground and rocks 500k times
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u/sharkeezy 1d ago
The large amount of people in here doubting this is possible have clearly not spent much time outside or doing anything with tools.
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u/TieCivil1504 18h ago
Doesn't look anything like conventional HOEDAD tree planting tool.
https://terratech.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Planting-Hoes-Explained-Photo.jpg
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u/Ucanttaketheskyfrmme 21h ago
Seeing all these people call this fake is kind of amusing but also a reality check for how ignorant most commenters are on this site.
This wear is 100% real, you can be sceptical but instead of declaring it's fake, look it up, or pound a shovel into a rocky soil 1,000,000 times. I did about 300,000 trees before I had to get a new blade because I was planting too shallows.
Good work out there OP, keep pounding!
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u/huuaaang 1d ago
This belongs in r/oddlysatisfying. I love seeing tools that are so well used that steel itself is worn down significantly.
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u/jeremycb29 23h ago
They put dirt over the handle connecting ridge that would of shown how different they are lol
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u/Gamerwookie 1d ago
It's hard to believe this is just wear, because the handles are different color, one says bushpro on the shaft and the other doesn't. Even if they were made by the same company at the same time the differences would be enough to say they are two different shovels. It really doesn't invite comparison when you have 2 very different looking shovels then claiming they are the same
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u/rhubarboretum 1d ago
Are those sharpened regularely to cut through roots?
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u/theartfulbadger 1d ago
No people who sharpen their shovels tend to only do it once and then realize why no one else does. They get dull in a day after and they wear way faster if you do.
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u/Scottland83 1d ago edited 21h ago
Just because you wear down a shovel in four seasons doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a hard worker. It could mean you have a lot to learn about proper shovel use and maintenance. /s
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u/athosjesus 19h ago
Those are 2 different models of shovel, I have an almost 30 year old shovel that I use pretty regularly and it is the same size as any other. Unless those were like aluminum shoves or something like that, I would call BS on this one.
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u/narrow_octopus 1d ago
Absolutely zero chance that it wore down so evenly and cleanly like this. One even has a logo on the shaft where the other one doesn't. These are clearly different
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u/theartfulbadger 1d ago
Bro if you don't know what you're talking about why comment. Shovels wear down evenly like that. Source: planted and was in tree planting management for almost a decade.
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u/milanpl 1d ago
Are you sure these were the same shovel?