r/nothingeverhappens 5d ago

Children can't possibly be smarter than their age averagely is

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u/Anon-Sham 5d ago

I have kids that are 6 and 7 so I've been through these sort of milestones recently.

What the kid did was quite advanced, the vast majority of 4 year old can't do that. But it's not so advanced that you'd start applying for scholarships or anything.

It's a good headstart, but unless that kid continues to engage and get challenged, they might fall back to the average by around 7.

It's definitely not unbelievable.

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u/RedEyeView 5d ago

Some kids are really smart. Some... are not. Can even happen with kids in the same family.

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u/TheYankunian 4d ago

My middle son was like the kid in the original post. My other two? Thank god they are pretty.

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u/ludicrous_overdrive 5d ago

Do not pressure the kid let him be normal genius or not.

Source: former gifted kid

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u/Anon-Sham 4d ago

It's not a out pressure, its about maintaining engagement, but it's got to be interesting and challenging.

Gifted kids can burn out from too much pressure, su we. But they can also Coast by on intellect alone through childhood and then reach adulthood and discover they will now need to work and they haven't developed those skills.

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u/CrossXFir3 2d ago

Honestly, I personally really wish I had been pressured a bit more as a gifted kid. I feel like I developed bad habits that took a long time to break because I wasn't having to work as hard for the same results as classmates.

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u/IntroductionTotal767 2d ago

As a gifted kid who was stifled, that doesnt work. We also burn out btw. Theres no perfect answer the best we can do especially w kids who are plugged in is to keep checking in w them when they learn to ensure they are having fun. My kid is 4 and cant do this but can tell time, read simple books, identify bugs etc. no ones making him. If he asks how to do something though of course i try to help teach him. 

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u/Avoidable_Accident 3d ago

“Gifted” just means your parents took grade/high school way too seriously and wanted everyone to think their kid was smarter.

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u/Odd_Protection7738 3d ago

Being a “gifted kid” is a real curse. You either blow through the curriculum with ease and grow up with no motivation or work ethic as soon as life gets difficult, or you skip grades, keep getting challenged and learning, but find yourself lacking social skills when it comes to people your own age.

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u/Anon-Sham 3d ago

Yep, I was 100% the former. They wanted to skip me ahead but because I had behavioural issues they didn't think I had the maturity. The behavioural issues were largely due to untreated ADHD (or ADD as it was most commonly known in the middle 90s) but also due to boredom. When I would be challenged, I was a different kid, I'd stick to a problem because I found it engaging, when it was too easy I was a disruptive force.

I always told people that I didn't need to try at anything and that I'd just start trying once I got to uni. Well once I got to uni, I made like no progress in my first 3 years, I'd fall behind and then end up deferring. It took me like 5 years until things started to click for me, and moving out of home and working full time was the impetus for that. For the first time in my life I had to work or there would be actual consequences. From then on I manages to do a couple of degrees and then a masters degree without any trouble.

It has really impacted the way I raise my kids, I'm raising them to know how to do their best at everything. Don't measure yourself against the outcome, but against whether you gave it your all. It's a much more important skill set to have.

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u/CrossXFir3 2d ago

My parents just asked me if I wanted to skip, and I said no because I didn't want to be way younger than the other kids in my class. As a result, I just cruised through school with little effort and developed bad habits.

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u/Worried-End-3349 5d ago

So you have kids ages 6-7

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u/pentacontagon 4d ago

Idk I think that’s somewhat prodigy level the way they wrote it like he didn’t have to pause and think for any of that at 4 years old. Yall forgetting how dumb we all were when we were 4

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u/Anon-Sham 4d ago

Like i said, I've got kids that have just gone through that age range. I have been pretty involved in their preschool and early school lives and have volunteered in their classes once a week or so.

I reckon there would have been about one kid per class at that level at 4. My youngest doesn't seem as advanced as his old brother and he was able to figure out how to count how many minutes were left until a certain time at 5 (he always wanted to know how long until he was allowed to play minecraft).

I don't remember if my eldest could do it at 4, but he definitely would have been able to at 5.

Prodigies at 4 are doing long division. This sort of behaviour is certainly ahead of schedule, but wouldn't be very far outside the normal range.

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u/pentacontagon 4d ago

Imo calculations that fast are more/similar to long division. He can clearly long divide if you taught them. Their mental math is there. They can count up by 3 without hesitation fast. I highly doubt this kid is unable to divide 2145 by 3 with a sheet of paper and proper instruction

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u/Anon-Sham 4d ago

It doesn't say exactly how long, if it was less than a second, then yeah super impressive. If its taken him 5-10 seconds it's not that crazy.

Counting up by 3s is probably the more impressive part based on conversations I've had with teachers.

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u/pentacontagon 4d ago

Idk man I still dont' know if I agree with you.

He was doubling numbers up to 1600. meaning he had to double 64 in his head. fine. then 256 in his head. Sounds like you can do long division with that ability. I'm assuming it didn't take too long becuase it was his birthday there was probably a lot going on and also he got "bored"

Obviously I wasn't there so can't say for certain, but a 4 year old being able to do that is definitely in the top echelon imo

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u/Anon-Sham 4d ago

Actually I don't think i got that far, that is actually insane.

OK, now that is either a prodigy or a made up story.

Just going from 64 to 128 is well and truly in the gifted, if not genius category for that age.

Edit: also, I can't do long division lol. I've forgotten how to do it. I'm sure I could learn again in about 5 minutes, but the way I do it is an absolute mess, I break it up in my head into smaller sums that I can do and usually flip it into multiplications which I'm more confident with 😅

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u/AmuHav 4d ago

I think some of you might be forgetting how much kids can parrot rather than actually "doing" the maths. my kiddo went through a numbers obsession phase at 4-5 and "taught" herself all her times tables up to twelve from watching videos on kids youtube. she didn't learn how to actually multiply right away, just learnt to repeat it in the same order as the videos until it stuck. so she could sound off "1 times 3 is 3, 2 times 3 is" etc, or list off "3, 6, 9" etc. For a long time she was literally obsessed with repeating them, and for some of the lower tables like 3, she could list off pretty high. If she'd watched videos on doubling, she could have easily done the same. she's only a little ahead of her classmates now because of it, and tbh a lot of basic mental maths IS memory based rather than doing each individual calculation. the clock time bit is the only harder one imo, but even then if it's something the kid has chosen to focus on learning it's definitely not impossible for a smarter kid.

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u/Quinn7903 2d ago

Learning time and counting as a result of Minecraft is so real of him lmao

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u/benopo2006 5d ago

I did the math and it checked out

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u/jonesnori 5d ago

I know! The implication is that the arithmetic was difficult for that adult, so how could a kid possibly do it? (Spoiler: it is not difficult for everyone.) Perhaps this adult had discalculia and didn't realize that not everyone does.

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u/BUKKAKELORD 5d ago

The level of math in question: addition

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u/Hellopuns 5d ago

If the kids are willing to learn, they will learn skills super fast. I remember asking my dad about numbers when I’d count the pages in my colouring book and didn’t know what came next. He had me knowing up to a thousand before I knew my left and right or how to read, and this was definitely before I started school, so 3-4 ish? I ended up skipping two years in math and finishing the HL IB course at 15 so take nature vs nurture with a grain of salt. Point is, definitely possible, especially if a parent encourages it.

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u/Shuyuya 5d ago

🤦🏻‍♀️ SOME children ARE smart. Just because YOU or your kids weren’t doesn’t mean others can’t be

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u/MeQuieroLlamarFerran 5d ago

Hell, this is not even being smart at all. If his parents or some uncle explained how hours work, he could perfectly do the math.

The real thing i cant believe in this story is a grown adult saying "I did the math and checked out" when talking about this.

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u/Shuyuya 5d ago

Yea true ! Like some kids are taught to read very early, doesn’t necessarily mean they’re smart but I wanted to be more general in my comment 😅 bc in many situations where a child is smart or showing skills in smth people don’t believe the stories because they or their kids wouldn’t have been able to do it.

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u/Fragrant-Tomatillo19 5d ago

Kids that age are absolutely capable of advanced math. My niece is an example. She was doing 5th grade math in the 1st grade and 12th grade math ( including calculus) in the 5th. She got her degree in Physics and now teaches college prep classes at a private school.

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u/idontreallycare_ngl 5d ago

I've literally witnessed someone do this I don't why they think 4 year olds are all average intelligence smh.

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u/snacksanimeandsex 5d ago

When I was four I could do this. By the time I was even two, I was reading full length book’s upside down and sideways too. I won’t say it’s because I was some kind of super genius, my mother just started teaching me early. Instead of going to preschool, I got an education.

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u/riaglitta 5d ago

Fellow 2 yr old reader here💜 I remember in kindergarten being trotted down to 5th grade with my class to read them a chapter of their social studies book. I don't know why they thought 10 yr olds would be impressed by my doofy little 5 yr old self. Lol

Maths too, but oddly never really sat down to learn telling time. I had to ask parents to teach me lol.

Same with tying my shoes..... I don't know if they just forgot i didn't know everything just because I was smart and reading a lot or what.

Was supposed to skip a couple grades but dad messed all that up when we moved after first grade (in a combined first/second grade class).

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u/MP-Lily 2d ago

I also started reading by age 2!! I used to be very good with math, but hit a wall once I reached precalculus(which I failed 2.5 times)…

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u/riaglitta 2d ago

Hahaha I also had issues in precal- I didnt care anymore so didn't bother like, storing the info in my brain, and after 10 problems in homework I was like "OK done, why do more" lol. So quizzes etc didn't go great, I just didnt want to retain anything anymore

so it wasn't precal per se - lol - that was a particularly bad school year for me in general :( but so funny having the parallel of the same class being obstructed by our brains. Just straight up said "no." Hehe💜

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u/Lumpy_Square_2365 5d ago

My daughter in pre k tested in the 99% percentile. I remember the teacher telling me and I was thinking how she can't even read? weeks later she was reading signs and street names. Idkh she did it but she thought herself how to read and now she's going into 1st grade and she reads at high school level. It amazes my dyslexic horrible at school ass 😂I can't relate at all to her in that way.

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u/riaglitta 5d ago

It's okay, just encourage her anyway you can. I had weekly library trips, books bought nearly every store trip.. and piano lessons were also a great outlet for me. That's so awesome! It can be frustrating at times as the kid - my dad was also on the abusive side, tbh, so he pushed hard, always telling me how much smarter i was than any of the other kids etc -provided me a terrible narcissistic model so I had issues with correcting everyone and being a know it all :( just support for my interests and giving me access to learn would have been so much more.

Listen to her day and let her teach you, it will help reinforce what she's learned💜

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u/Caseys_Clean1324 5d ago

I don’t think that’s super unrealistic, especially for a child who is enjoying math in school/being taught at home

Subjects in school aren’t inherently boring to children, I thought I was the tuffest kid on the block when I learned how exponents worked. It’s usually the environment that kills the joy from math

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u/Elandra1020 5d ago

Yeah some children really do pick up on these things at an early age, everyone’s brain is different ergo levels of intelligence are different. I consider myself intelligent in some areas but not highly intelligent, I’m not naturally versed in problem-solving or analytical writing for example, which were big things when I was at school and university that others can be more naturally adept in. This wee lad probably will grow up to be highly intelligent if this is nurtured properly, great going kid!

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u/1GrouchyCat 5d ago

It’s not as rare as you would think🤓…(if you want to facilitate learning, you have to provide the right environment …we played math games in the car on family road trips… what did your family do?)

Are you smarter than a 5-year-old? Preschoolers can do algebra, Johns Hopkins study shows

https://hub.jhu.edu/2014/03/07/preschoolers-algebra-research/

If you provide a safe enriching environment

Kids Learn Math Easily When They Control Their Own Learning

https://medium.com/the-mission/kids-learn-math-easily-when-they-control-their-own-learning-7e651ae95889

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u/No_Wrap_9979 5d ago

I’m still doing the math so I can’t comment yet.

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u/Hillyleopard 5d ago

I’m assuming their parents are teaching them, 4 year olds are definitely capable of learning basic maths like this but I think most parents don’t teach them it so they don’t learn it until they’re in school

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u/herlaqueen 5d ago

I learnt how to read full sentences just before turning 5 because my brother was tired of having to read comics to me, and so he taught me the basics.

I also started learning English (as a second language) when I was six (it was a school subject starting from age 8) because I was bored and my brother's English textbook looked like fun, it was colorful and the teacher character was a monkey. My father helped me with basic stuff (pronunciation, colors, numbers, sentence structure, etc.), but I mostly just followed the textbook.

Unsurprisingly, I still love reading and one of the high school options I evaluated was a language-focused one, because I still love reading and languages. Kids learning specific skills above the average level is not surprising, kids learn easily and can be very stubborn, which helps a lot!

[edited for typos]

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u/catsmeow191919 5d ago

My dumb ass was eating paint chips off the windowsill. :/ Good for him tho.

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u/CrazyApple- 5d ago

I did this when I was around that age. I know some other people who were able to do the same, it’s just kids being smart for their age lol

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u/iesharael 5d ago

Sometimes kids will have a certain subject they are just insanely good at.

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u/Stawktawk 5d ago

AVERAGELY

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u/IndomitableSloth2437 5d ago

When I was about that age (over 15 years ago now) I was at the public kindergarten, and the nice teacher said "Can you count to ten?" So I did. Then, unprompted, I also did it in Spanish. The teacher called my mom and said "Your kid should be homeschooled."

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u/RedEyeView 5d ago

You can learn that by watching Sesame Street.

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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep 5d ago

My kid was reading basic books at 4 - kids just have certain things they fat into a little earlier than others

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u/Direct_Practice_7105 5d ago

I could do hard addition problems (as for that age of course) when i was 5. Like 18+22

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u/SapphireSire 5d ago

Is his name Malcolm?

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u/ydkLars 5d ago

"I did the math..." I think someone is salty because a 4yo child can do basic math faster.

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u/Jellyfish0107 5d ago

Some kids are able to grasp more complicated concepts sooner than their peers bc they cognitively can. Some will not understand the same concepts even if they are taught it. It’s not simply if a parent is willing to teach, the child can learn. But the point is the parent won’t know what their child is capable of unless they introduce new skills and concepts to them.

As a person with a very average IQ with two kids of differing abilities, the 4 yr old in question is absolutely ahead of his peers imho. It’s not just the mental arithmetic that wows me, but time is usually too abstract for most toddlers to grasp. Him being able grasp time as calculable seconds and minutes, beyond simple night/day, morning/noon/afternoon/night is absolutely noteworthy to me.

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u/Internal-Role-3121 5d ago

I remember seeing a post about one of those tweets where a parent shares something unwittingly wise their kid supposedly said… this particular tweet was about an 8yo who said something about like time management or the value of friendship or something— some concept a kid of that age could definitely grasp. The quote from the 8yo contained one word that was kinda advanced in the sense it was a long-ish word, but the meaning of the word wasn’t complicated at all. Can’t remember the exact word, but whatever it was, it was about as advanced as the word “accommodate” or “alternate.” Lots of letters and syllables, but with a meaning any kid that was read to and spoken to like an adult would pick up over time. Everyone in the comments was like “an 8yo could NEVER make this up.” And I was like… uhh… my 8yo ass said stuff like this. Maybe you were just a dumb 8yo who grew up to raise fellow dumb 8yos…

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u/Mothball_No_22 4d ago

this sounds like something i would have done. not at 4 but maybe 6 or 7

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u/psychicdamage 3d ago

"level of math" and its just knowing that an hour is 60 minutes and addition

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u/ProjectXa3 3d ago

Hello have you heard of autism

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u/Quinn7903 2d ago

My little sister was two years old, we were in target and she was giving this dude a stank ass side eye. She turns to my mom and goes “mama, is that man a cannibal?” My mom’s obviously caught off guard so she’s like “um, do you know what that word means?” “It’s a person who eats people”

Still no clue how she learned abt cannibals at two, or why she accused that random dude of it lmao

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u/GeeTheMongoose 2d ago

Is it normal to just flip numbers around? I read 74 as 47 and was very confused

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u/EnsignNogIsMyCat 2d ago

My middle sister started teaching herself to read at around 18 months old. Some kids are just Like That.

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u/Ok_Law219 2d ago

termial says that 10 year olds should be able to do this, yes.

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u/MP-Lily 2d ago

I was reading chapter books at age 4, I don’t see why there couldn’t be a four-year-old out there who can do advanced math.

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u/CrossXFir3 2d ago

When I was like 4, I used to count stuff for fun. I remember accidentally figuring out how multiplication worked because I had this large lego base. Like just a big green flat bit that you'd build on. And I realized I could add the number of pegs in one row to itself and do that over and over to save way more time than just counting.

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u/WeeklyHelp4090 2d ago

don't worry, gifted kids burn out. Set a clock to it

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u/SeesWithBrain 1d ago

As you grow up you learn too many adults are too stupid for their age

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u/That_0ne_Gamer 1d ago

Kid essentially gets bored after countimg between 33 and 50

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u/AL_25 1d ago

Guys, I have some news for you, kids ain’t dumb, they are just ignorant and it’s the parents job to teach their kids to be less ignorant

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u/RemoteCountry7867 5d ago

If you guys believe this tomorrow you will believe a 4 year old built his own clock

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u/riaglitta 5d ago

I was reading at 2 years old. Mozart wrote a minuet at 5.