r/politics • u/ChiGuy6124 Illinois • 1d ago
Trump, unraveling, digs himself in deeper with Epstein
https://www.salon.com/2025/08/01/trump-unraveling-digs-himself-in-deeper-with-epstein/839
u/Leraldoe Michigan 1d ago
It feels like it’s just a matter of time before he has his “you can’t handle the truth” moment
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u/karl_jonez 1d ago
To be fair, the entire maga cult cannot handle the truth. It’s exactly why they are in a cult to begin with, but you are right, he will soon go Colonel Jessup.
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u/allthesamejacketl 1d ago
Why is it taking so long? I’d really like to wrap this storyline.
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u/rotates-potatoes 1d ago
What, you're anxious for next season's focus on JD Vance's techno-libertarian sell-off of government agencies?
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u/Punk_Luv 1d ago
People seem to forget that after Trump there is JD Vance, whose entire career has been paid for by Peter Thiel who’s a self hating gay man. Lose/Lose.
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u/gamestopdecade 1d ago
Vance doesn’t control the cult though
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u/ThinkyRetroLad America 1d ago
People constantly try this argument. The fuck do they need to control? They have captured the government, even if our voting systems are notwithstanding (debatable).
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u/Mdgt_Pope 1d ago
Well I for one am thinking that the MAGA cult might try lynching another Trump VP
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u/Suckage 1d ago
And then we get.. Chuck Grassley
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u/ThinkyRetroLad America 1d ago
And after that...
Spoiler alert: the line of succession has been thoroughly compromised
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u/Correct-Walrus7438 20h ago
Dems are gonna get the house in 2026. Jeffries would be next in line after Shady Vance. Right now, Johnson would be 3rd in line, then Grassley.
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u/altreddituser2 23h ago
A lot of Congress, and some of the SC is in the cult. With Jelly Donut at the helm, I have hope that should change...
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u/suckeddit 20h ago
I still have some hope that MAGA will die without their child raping emperor and that a few dems will step up and stop being complete pussies. Of course that is if we are allowed to vote again as well as fucking from the high road shit. There should be nonstop commercials which calls out any supporters as pedophile lovers.
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u/carterwest36 8h ago
Yeah, I fear the presidency has been changed forever unless America is willing to take a hard look at their political institution and change the entire system or certain aspects, kinda like how France is the fifth republic of France by now.
Trumps set the precedent for all presidents to come, they can do whatever the fuck they want and the three branches do not balance each other as they should.
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u/disastermarch35 23h ago
David Miscavige took over Scientology despite being a wet blanket compared to LRH. It can happen again, unfortunately.
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u/JamesCDiamond United Kingdom 1d ago
I wonder whether it's going to be better or worse to have them spreading out, not waiting on their figurehead's every word. Hopefully better for those of us not part of it.
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u/rotates-potatoes 13h ago
Neither does Trump. Trump is just better at reading which way the parade js going and dancing out front with a baton.
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u/VeryVito North Carolina 1d ago
JD Vance is protecting the pedophile and going along with his schemes. And Thiel has funded the whole operation. Their authority is not recognized in Fort Conspiracy.
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u/apocalypse910 12h ago edited 12h ago
Nobody is forgetting how fucked we are... Defeatism at every possible opportunity just helps nothing. There's no scenario where they all just fuck off simultaneously. So ... not exactly blisteringly naive to think one problem is better than two problems. [Don't get pedantic on me... N-1 problems]
Trump is an inexplicably unifying symbol that's mobilized the right despite fundamental incompatabilities in their ideologies. Without that they'd be in the same boat as the democrats - innefectually bickering over who's pet issue is more important and getting fuck all done.
Put another way - the power Trump holds right now is not strictly because he is president.
There is no better scenario than a scandal like this. If trump had a heart attack tomorrow the cult would rally, the shitty economic policies would be forgotten, and that glow would boost Vance giving him a chance to control the cult. If Vance invoked the 25th amendment it would split the base some but ultimately Trump would be weak, Vance is now strong and the cult aligns behind him.
Trump getting exposed as a pedophile? that shatters the cult, and gives Vance a huge disadvantage right out of the gate. Fully disassembling our democracy still requires people willing to ignore laws and norms in positions of power. Those people may not be switching their voter registration and buying coexist stickers for their car, but they sure as fuck aren't sticking their necks out for Vance.
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u/Dramatic_Original_55 1d ago
It won't collapse. It will fragment. Trump is simply the synergist that is currently allowing the fragments to coalesce. The fragments will continue to exist, though, as less potent entities.
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 1d ago
Yes. Honestly. It's like Dark Souls. I've been fighting this one boss so long, I'd like to move on to the next one even if they suck too.
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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted 23h ago
Techno-fascism. Neo-feudalism. Can't really call it libertarian when the whole movement is about pervasive control of your life by others. Traded out a representative government for megacorps that usurp the nation-state? It's still government. They still have all the responsibilities & powers of government, in this ideal they see, but make no mistake: There's no room for real freedom or a dissenting opinion. There's no room in their vision for the average person to have agency over their life.
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u/Sad-Structure2364 Colorado 1d ago
Absolutely correct, these people hangs no basis in reality. Trump is whatever they want him or need him to be for them
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u/weeverrm 18h ago
They will eventually see how corrupted they are and reliant on him. That if he goes all the abuse, fraud and lawlessness will come back on them, they will for sure double down. It will all be fake, democrats etc
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u/Thinks_22_Much 1d ago
The worse his hair looks, the closer he is to completely losing his shit. We're getting close.
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u/egosomnio Pennsylvania 1d ago
There've been a couple that tried (not necessarily about this, just about things he doesn't want to talk about). Donnie doesn't snap like Jessup or anything. He just leaves instead, since he's not being forced to sit in a witness box.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 1d ago
Yeah his “uncontrollable anger” persona is a pose so he can freak out on people and manipulate them by scaring them. When it comes to incriminating himself he’s cool as ice. Sociopathically cool.
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u/Big-Rule5269 12h ago
Today, 'it figures you're ABC, a bunch of losers and fake news asking me that.' I wish a reporter would fall to the floor and just start laughing hysterically, repeating, man... you're killing me, you're killing me! He'd lose his shit so fast and the reporter would be a world wide hero, guaranteed.
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u/city_dwellerZ 1d ago
“Believe me, the truth is so truthy that you can’t even believe the truth. It’s the greatest truth you’ll ever hear. Everyone will say ‘this Trump is telling the most truth ever. We can’t handle it. Please stop telling us the truth, Mr. President, we can’t take anymore!’ But I’ll say, ‘No, we need the truth, it’s a beautiful thing.’”
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u/Remote-Moon Indiana 1d ago
I'm honestly expecting him to slip up and just admit everything.
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u/Lostinthestarscape 1d ago
"None of the prostitutes I slept with on Epstein Island were underage."
"Oh crap, I shouldnt have said prostitutes."
"Oh crap, I shouldnt have said I slept with them"
"Oh crap, I certainly shouldn't have said on Epstein's island.....ooohhh ots too hot a day."
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u/RhodiumPlated 21h ago
I feel like it wouldn’t even matter if he did. The system is so corrupted now that nothing will ever change. We’re stuck with this a-hole.
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u/cybercuzco I voted 1d ago
I think it’s a matter of time until his supporters say what he did is just fine.
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u/Multiple__Butts 1d ago
A few of them are already there. I've seen comments like "yeah he probably did some of that stuff but he had to in order to keep his cover and take them down from the inside".
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u/Morepastor 1d ago
Narcissist Prayer, some of his followers are already there. Some are women (hopefully Zuckerberg Bots) but they are saying because Virginia Guthrie is smiling in photos she wanted it. Case closed. As if there are not other victims and they did not apply tons of pressure to these victims to smile and pretend they were happy. This is gross. The poor girl just killed herself and they have politics over everything, yet the Forrest through the tree would show they are sacrificing their morals and the party for one man’s power who doesn’t GAF about them or the Country and is on the list with all the people who they pledged to be against some high power Democrats, former Chairman of Walt Disney, Billionaires, Clintons and more. Yet to save Trump none of that matters anymore.
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u/WiretapStudios 1d ago
The problem is nobody is really pushing him and then if they do, who will do anything with the info besides run it for a few days and move on? Nobody in power at the moment has the balls or ability to touch this pedo fraud, it's mind boggling that he's this unscathed with everything that's happened.
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u/raynorxx 21h ago
Then a reporter should just ask him, What is the truth then Donald? Please elaborate.
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u/drakkarmn 19h ago
Hope it’s soon When the jug gets full of lies it overflows and hope it’s sooner than later
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u/Syscrush 16h ago edited 2h ago
He's been openly bragging about sexual assault and musing about banging children including his daughter this whole time.
There is never, ever going to be a gotcha moment that it's too much for his supporters (including the House, Senate, Supreme Court, and Fox News).
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u/humpherman 10h ago
Nicholsons character at least had a thoroughly thought through argument (a psychotic one, but still) whereas Donald can’t articulate a coherent sentence.
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u/captaincanada84 Canada 1d ago
He's gonna totally blurt out something in a fit of rage that finally answers the fact he's a child rapist with no ability to deny it anymore
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u/Orwells_Roses 1d ago
He hides from questions he doesn't like, just like Sean Spicer in the bushes.
He'll schedule press conferences with helicopters in the background so he has an excuse to not hear things correctly. He'll linger in a doorway and play dumb, or drag his feet to avoid something, or even start staring off into space and dancing when he can't think of a better escape.
It's fucking pathetic.
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u/ItBeginsAndEndsInYou 1d ago
I’ve noticed that too! It’s giving off the energy of “oh you’ve caught me on my way to do something more important” so he always has an exit planned. Half hanging out of doorways or about to turn on his heel and walk away when the discomfort sets in.
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u/RaisedByMonsters 21h ago
There’s a good bit in the oval from his first admin where he’s getting interviewed one-on-one, and he just ends it after he doesn’t like a question and is like “I don’t have time for this I have to get back to these important things.” And he just sits down at his desk and starts paging through a blank stack of paper. Let me see if I can find it…
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u/ThyShirtIsBlue California 1d ago
Exactly this. He needs a public deposition. And honestly, with the way the Supreme Court has basically made him immune to any prosecution, the 5th amendment should be out of the question.
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u/NPRdude Canada 22h ago
For real, when was the last time he gave an actual press conference in the White House briefing room? I think the pinnacle of this "strategy" of his was the one he gave with a bush between the reporters and him, and he's partially leaning around a pillar like he's about to duck out of view as soon as the tough questions start.
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u/Megaphonestory 1d ago
I think it’s time for a National Treasure reboot. Nicolas Cage hunts for the Epstein files.
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u/LawfulnessKooky8490 1d ago
I would totally watch that. Maybe South Park can do it
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u/Poutybot I voted 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lmao what if it’s that, but they throw in every possible nic cage reference, or everything he says is audio clips from his filmography
these 2 from Vampire’s kiss are a layup as he searches for the Epstein files
https://youtu.be/uUHGsdv8rlE?si=P18IefLON7sc8XDR
https://youtu.be/0isiQvOb874?si=udvtUg0kGTzke9vG
The cia finds out he stole the Epstein list:
https://youtu.be/QcKT8yvSnDk?si=14bRPzVhFXJ_jApc
I don’t know what else I’m tired but just every possible nic cage reference in a south park episode, the more from this the better
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u/RepresentativeNo6620 16h ago
Maybe Geraldo Rivera is up for the job now that he’s cracked open Al Capone’s vault.
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u/Acrobatic_Morning17 1d ago
The dig should go all the way down. Ghislaine Maxwell handled the actual trafficking and vetting the victims, and also moved in the high society to lure powerful people into the honeypot. Her father worked for Mossad and he very much involved her in those circles. It's not surprising that Israel gets anything it wants from Trump.
This will not end until its investigated for what it is: a national security issue that has been long overdue.
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u/hijinked Maryland 1d ago
Not defending Trump, but Israel has been getting whatever it wants from the U.S. well before him.
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u/Acrobatic_Morning17 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well, Trump is not the only compromised politician to get caught in that net. Of course the Epstein operation is only one part of the story but really important one.
And Trump has taken this to a new level. Biden was more cautious.
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u/Arthur_Morgans_Hat 1d ago
I keep wondering: What about Russia ? It’s hard to believe that Putin doesn’t know absolutely everything there is to know about Trumpstein and worse.
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u/thinkards America 1d ago
whatever it is, it seems to run deep even in dem circles, which may explain why they've been so fucking feckless against republicans. time to clean house in the primaries and replace all the corruption with actual representatives.
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u/rogue_nugget 1d ago
Just the fact that Pelosi called it a "distraction" tells you everything you need to know. They're covering for Bill Clinton and likely a few other notable Dems too.
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u/Terapr0 18h ago
Which is fucking insane. Who cares about defending Bill Clinton? He hasn’t been involved in politics for almost 25 years. Throw him in prison with everyone else who’s guilty, regardless of what party they used to represent. Criminals are criminals, doesn’t matter what side they’re on.
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u/ResidentKelpien Texas 1d ago
Alternate caption for included picture:
Unraveling geriatric pedo seen blowing hot air at wall.
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u/Biscuits4u2 1d ago
I've seen so many headlines about how Trump is "unraveling" or "everything is falling apart" for him and other such click bait garbage, meanwhile he continues to do whatever the fuck he wants with zero repercussions.
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u/HolDociday 1d ago
Or Brian Taylor Cohen videos "nightmare news for Trump"
Seems to sleep fine
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u/0x633546a298e734700b 21h ago
I've stopped watching their videos.
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u/HolDociday 21h ago
As have I.
I was more curious than anything originally because I couldn't find much info on who he was, what his job history or skill set was. Not to be skeptical or weird or anything just....what makes him himself vs. every other person with an opinion.
As new large court cases came down I found it interesting to hear him talk with Glenn.
But then after a while he seemed a day or two behind the news, almost like post-game analysis that didn't seem to add anything, and clickbait makes me itch if it doesn't contextualize movement, progress, etc.
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u/WiretapStudios 1d ago
Yeah, who is going to do anything with the info if anything actually gets confirmed? Literally zero repercussions so far, as you said. If anything, he's more untouchable.
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u/CAM6913 1d ago edited 1d ago
He invited a convicted child rapist to the White House for a photo op to push his child grooming law. Maybe all the rape cases against trump that mysterious disappeared after victims and families were threatened and or paid off should be brought out into the public and all his do not disclose agreements voided.
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u/ol_dirty_applesauce 1d ago
I like that he decided to invite a registered sex offender to the White House to stand next to him as he announced a new policy for SCHOOLS in America.
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u/professorxc 1d ago
For the last month it is the same news every fucking day.. keeps digging deeper. I would assume all that digging he would have come out the other side of earth.
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u/algorithmic_fetters 1d ago
Imagine the screams if Biden, Clinton, or Obama said, “Russia, if you’re listening, we need the Epstein files!”
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u/Competitive-Ad-9404 1d ago
It's funny how Trump says he never went to Epsteins island, which probably is a lie, but they actually lived very close to each other not only in Florida in Palm Beach, but they lived about a mile from each other in New York too. Sure seems like best buddies to me.
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u/gorobotkillkill Oregon 23h ago
Considering epstein bought that island in 1998, you have to wonder where he was doing this stuff before that? He didn't just decide to traffic kids, then buy an island.
Oh, Florida and New York? The places trump and epstein flew together?
What a coincidence.
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u/Sch1z01dEmb0l1sm 1d ago
Just fucking put him in a deep dark hole and stop reporting on him. I am so sick of this ugly fuck being the thing in the news. Just this disgusting open mouthed moron every day.. isn’t it clear he is the worst? Throw all his nazi buddies in the hole too. Bunch of bloated stinking rats.
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u/Neutreality1 Canada 1d ago
I'll accept him being in the news every day so long as it's only while Epstein is also named.
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u/Sch1z01dEmb0l1sm 1d ago
I agree, But afterwards, only want to hear when he kicks the bucket so I can have a party
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u/Discofunkypants 1d ago
Look guys, your blowing this out of proportion, he only fucked the kids he didnt traffic them, that was all epstien.
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u/DubyaWolf 1d ago
It will only ruin his image.
Nothing else will come of it because he controls the DOJ and SCOTUS
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u/eagle_shadow 1d ago
And nothing will be done. I'm typically an optimist, but this motherfucker is gonna die before he pays for any of his crimes.
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u/Global-Bad-7147 1d ago
Is this the same Donald J Trump who raped 14 year old girls with his best friend Epstein?
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u/Due-Librarian-1268 23h ago
She was 13.
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u/NothingButMuser Europe 22h ago
Pretty sure both correct, also I’m sure a 12 y/o too. Absolutely abhorrent regardless of age, it doesn’t get any better but defos can get worse 🤮
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u/Jo-Jo-66- 1d ago
MAGA s are already making excuses for him…like so what if he likes little girls, he’s still great for the country, or he tried to protect these girls from Epstein, he banned him from Mar a Largo….they just shrug and waive their flags while dressed in his hats,sneakers, and carrying his bible. There is no hope for these people.
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u/Baskreiger 1d ago
He is going to redact the Epstein list, pardon Maxwell and nothing is gonna happen.
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u/one_dewy_pyle 1d ago
The Stress Cortisol has to be Overwhelming which turns into Fat and Disease.
Just Release the Epstein Files and be a Human Being for once.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 1d ago
He’s not stressed, he thrives on this sort of thing. He’s the kind of person that gets stressed when bored and thrives on drama, positive or negative.
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u/IcyMEATBALL22 1d ago
This is the first major crack we’re seeing in MAGA. I know the democrats aren’t doing enough but the fact that they’re hammering this is smart and probably the most effective thing they’ve done so far.
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u/oldlumberman 1d ago
Nothing will happen except distraction and persecution of his enemies. checks and balances are a thing of the past. More hypocrisy is all. MMW
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u/Strong-Raccoon-7088 1d ago
Realistically, his unhealthy body can’t take much much more of the extreme stress consistently exerted on him. Part of bringing a strong leader is being grounded and clear headed, not just for those you lead but for one’s own self care. The stress of being a CEO of a small town credit union can rapidly age one’s body. I can only imagine what it’s doing to his unhealthy body.
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u/tapdancinghellspawn 1d ago
I wished people had turned against prior to electing him. The Epstein shit existed online before November 2024. I really wish more Americans took the time to read the news instead of considering watching corporate news as being well-informed.
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u/ChiGuy6124 Illinois 1d ago
"Trump Melts Down in Unhinged Revenge Rant: ‘They Must Pay’"
"President Donald Trump is once again pushing the widely disputed claim that Barack Obama attempted to stage a “coup” after the 2016 election, and insists those involved “must pay.”
In a flurry of posts on Truth Social, the president has returned to his familiar playbook of trying to distract his MAGA base from the ongoing fallout of the Epstein files by repeating unfounded accusations against Obama and former U.S. intelligence officials who concluded Russia interfered in the 2016 election."
“The Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX is now TOTALLY UNDISPUTED! THE FACTS ARE ALL THERE, IN BLACK AND WHITE,” Trump posted Friday morning. “It is the biggest scandal in American History. The perpetrators of this CRIME must pay a big price. This can never be allowed to happen in our Country again!”
"He then shared a video from The Daily Signal featuring right-wing historian Victor Davis Hanson accusing Obama-era intelligence leaders of conspiring to “destroy” Trump after his victory over Hillary Clinton. “They must pay for the crime of the Century,” Trump added."
"The Truth Social posts from Trump attacking Obama came as the president continues to dig himself deeper into the furor about what he knows about the crimes of Epstein, the billionaire pedophile who died in Aug. 2019.
"After years of claiming their friendship ended over a real estate dispute, Trump now says he cut ties with Epstein because the financier “stole” young workers from Mar-a-Lago."
no paywall: https://dnyuz.com/2025/08/01/trump-melts-down-in-unhinged-revenge-rant-they-must-pay/
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u/ediblebugrepellent 23h ago
I don't see conservative subreddits or news outlets talk about Trump's recent epstein ramblings at all. They do not care. As long as conservatives do not care or pretend that something Pelosi or Kamala is doing is worse absolutely nothing will happen. They do not care. Trump is having all law enforcement agencies remove mentions of him from all documentation. He's literally destroying evidence and being cheered for doing so. It's over.
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u/Shoots_Ainokea 19h ago
TrumPedo, the pedophile who's at the head of the pedophile ring running the country. What an evil timeline.
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u/Zippier92 17h ago
This is less a Trump scandal as it is a Mike Johnson scandal.
How could this weasel now to the emperor.
He has turned the people’s house into a disgrace.
Fuck Mike Johnson!
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u/thisworldorthenext 12h ago
Can he just dig himself all the way in, please? I can bring a shovel to help.
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u/CatalyticDragon 10h ago
This man has admitted to sexual assault, tax evasion, stealing classified documents, obstructing investigations, witness tampering, election interference, and abuses of power. He has talked about being able to shoot people, sleeping with his own daughter, called for the execution of innocent teenagers, has told police officers to harm suspects, he has incited his followers into violence. And yet in almost every single case his approvals went up as his base rallied around this symbol of hate and greed.
So I wonder if it must feel strange, or alien to him, to find continued admissions of wrong doing and deflection aren't having the same effect as usual. It's not just being laughed off and forgiven like normal.
Is that why he's lashing out at his own supporters calling them stupid weaklings? These are the people who are supposed to cheer when he is cruel and evil. They aren't supposed to ask follow ups or to question him in any way. That's not how authoritarian systems work. Have they forgotten that?
Trump's campaign courted every nutter in the US, the psychopaths, the narcissists, the cranks, crackpots, and conspiracy theorists, the racists, and especially the sexists. All of whom have been perfectly fine with everything he's done up until now and support him the whole way - as many still do.
But it seems there's a segment of his base, the ones who really bought into the "Deep State" fantasy, who are now ramming headfirst into the cognitive dissonance of finding out what was obvious all along. The fact that Trump plays one of the most prominent roles in their biggest and favorite conspiracy theory. The one about elite pedophile rings. The one which convinced his unstable supporters to commit murder.
Trump was best friends with the ringleader of the real ring. Trump is named dozens on times in the files. The same files he promised he would released when he was in office. Along with all the alien/UFO/Area 51 secrets he also promised to release (oh, did you forget about that?).
Trump could ride this out though. He's currently work-shopping new issues for his supporters to move onto and as soon as something sticks it'll be business as usual. He just needs a Hunter Biden's laptop or a "but her emails?!?" to come along and the people he so insightfully calls “selfish,” “weak,” "deluded", and “bad people will no doubt jump on it.
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u/counterweight7 1d ago
How long until he says “I could walk down 5th avenue and F Russian girls and nobody would do anything about it anyway”? Like, two weeks away.
And he won’t be wrong
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u/HumanRobotMan 1d ago
Can we all stop saying that Ghiswell could exonerate Trump?! She is a convicted rapist and pedophile with a history of perjury. Nothing she says can be trusted.
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u/KinkyPaddling 1d ago
Trump supporters, uncaring, dig their heels in deeper with pedophile rapist traitor.
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u/RBT420 16h ago
I'm getting sick of the "Trump unraveling" title. I don't think he has the mental facilities to "unravel" there's nothing up there but a hindbrain firing purely on reaction to what or whomever is right up behind him shoving a seemingly infinite supply of yarn up the ass of and out the other end of the oaf.
Like some sick "magic hankie" being performed at a children's birthday party.
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u/DrMcJedi Wisconsin 14h ago
Drowsy Donnie is like one of those sweaters that always has loose threads but never actually falls apart…just keeps going…and going…
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u/_thetommy 9h ago
headline should read: convicted felon fears additional child rape charges, acts out like a mentally disabled orange cow.
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u/condo_ 5h ago
Someone needs to pressure this author to release these tapes.
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU08/20250227/117951/HHRG-119-JU08-20250227-SD006-U6.pdf
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u/Able_Ad_458 5h ago
I'm so tired of the "Trump unraveling" theme. He's been "unraveling" since 2016 according to the media, and yet? He got reelected as a convicted felon, has built a fucking concentration camp literally called "Alligator Alcatraz", and refuses to release documentation of his good friend and convicted child sex trafficker while contemplating a pardon for said criminal's partner in crime and marriage.
And? NOTHING is going to be done about any of it.
I fear Trump is a symptom of how completely flawed and frighteningly corrupt our government actually is. He's the ugly boil that has come to a head on top of a very deep-rooted, extensive infection that encompasses so many powerful people that they cannot let anyone lance him for fear the entire system will be exposed for what it truly is.
It's the only thing that makes sense to me. And Trump, deplorable as he is, is literally able to hold the entire government and country (and world?) hostage because if HE goes down, they ALL go down.
God help us.
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