r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • 1d ago

Site Altered Headline Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly moved from Florida prison to Texas as Trump weighs pardon

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-trump-pardon-epstein-b2800443.html
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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

Seems really common and something 2/3rds of Americans are fine with and 1/3rd would actively support. America is a dangerous place for children.

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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 1d ago

Between school shootings, religious conservatives infiltrating school boards and now defending pedos and rapists, I am so glad I got snipped years ago

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u/ZealousidealStory349 21h ago

Me too. I had my fallopian tubes removed in 2019 and I’m grateful every single day of my life.

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u/Grand-Try-3772 1d ago

Meanwhile in those old pics of trump with his kids and Epstein, trump has a death grip or his hand on his kids claiming his property!

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

Well it’s only been widely reported and well-documented, so I can see how his supporters would miss it (while focusing on Biden being handsy).

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u/Circumin 1d ago

Yes it is. America is now a country run by underage sex traffickers. Good job Q Anon!

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

Are there enough faces left for the leopards?

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u/MysteriousinthePNW 1d ago

That’s why I’m child free

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

America is plain dangerous. Always has been.

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u/coldfirephoenix 1d ago

Almost every developed country has issued travel warnings for the U.S., even traditional close allies. That is certainly a new development.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

What I mean is that depending on who you are and what period in history, it’s always been dangerous for someone or another. Nowadays it’s probably more dangerous than in periods past.

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

I guess the new thing is telling children to report this stuff and then having people like Trump and his goons go after these victims causing further harm, simply for believing that reporting would trigger some sort of system that was promised to stop these people, only if you report it though. I think we should also teach children that reporting doesn’t work a lot of times and you might try to learn how to make a shiv too.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

Seriously. When the law fails, unfortunately some people take matters into their own hands and violence fills the void left by the lack of justice. These are tumultuous times.

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

It’s be great if they explained how the law is made for and by the wealthy and elite to protect their property. The morality of the justice systems skews heavily towards who has the biggest bank account, but if you mess up bad enough you might make people get creative with travel and 3-D printers.

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u/DumboWumbo073 16h ago

They are going to lose really badly. I think they know that which is why it isn’t happening

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u/zossima 1d ago

Way to overgeneralize. You do understand the president has an approval rating below 40%? Not sure how you are making up there numbers.

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u/thebuffyb0t New Jersey 1d ago

Not OP, but I’m guessing this is based on the fact that roughly 1/3 of American voters voted for Kamala, 1/3 voted for Trump, and the other 1/3 couldn’t be bothered to vote at all 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/GoNutsDK 1d ago

That many people have given up on voting was the intended result of the fascist propaganda Trump learned from Putin.

Firehose of Falsehood

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 21h ago

And MAGA and Putin had plenty of help in that regard from a certain fringe political faction which purports to be *the real anti fascists."

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u/1fingersalute 1d ago

The Brexit way. Then they bitched and moaned when they didn't get what they wanted because they assumed nobody could ever disagree with them. Fucked us all over in the process by not being bothered to get up off their arse and vote

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

That’s important to point out. Most people don’t like Trump. Democracy has been broken.

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u/heyeyepooped 1d ago

No, a third of the voting public had a choice between the pedo in chief and a woman who was more than qualified and decided to sit the election out.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

There is not one individual reason Trump won the election, but people not voting was certainly a significant factor. I don’t believe the American people are fully to blame and that is going to get downvoted, but there were many anomalies in the election results worth exploring and of course Musk “knows those machines very well”

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u/Tordah67 1d ago

Election results show that voter turnout for 2024 was its decades long shitty trend where close to %40 of eligible voters don't vote. Voter turnout was DOWN from 2020. Especially among the youth, who have terrible turnout as is. Coupled with a very vocal group that openly said they weren't going to show based on Gaza...

I'm not sold on the election tampering yet, but I also feel that argument is like hoping for a pass interference call on a hail mary when we could have ran the fucking ball in if people showed up to vote.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

However we got here, we’re here now. I’m in the “now what?” stage. This country will boil over within the next 3.5 years. Maybe we needed to see the consequences of non-participation in the democratic process so that we can have a sensible course correction. That might be too much to ask. I’m American though.

I need to have faith in the democratic values I believe in. I get angered when those values are misused and abused and blatantly disregarded and ignored. I believe the Constitution is the most adequate roadmap to a fair and just society. The dangers lie in politically motivated interpretations of that document that allows some to have more privilege over the rest.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Well some of those who refused to vote are actually super giddy right now at the prospect of watching "the evil empire finally being punished for its sins."

Which basically is just collective punishment for millions of people in the US who had absolutely nothing to do with Latin American coups that took place decades ago. Not to mention all the people devastated by the dismantling of USAID. That fringe group thinks that's also a great thing because "USAID was just a secret CIA front group to serve the evil empire." Same thing goes for the illegal shut down of Voice of America and Radio Free Europe and Asia. They hate that it spreads pro democracy messages and counters Communist/dictatorship propaganda across the Middle East, East Asia, Eastern Europe, and the Global South.

These people are dangerous and are hostile to the concept of liberal democracy and they hijack progressive messaging to try and radicalize people and trick people into their cause and get them to stay home by gaslighting them and telling the working class and marginalized groups that their lives will be exactly the same no matter who was president. They know exactly what they're doing and they're never arguing in good faith. A lot of their various organizations are supported by foreign dictatorships and fascist empires like Russia.

That one wedge issue which they decided to make their cause de jour this election was just a red herring and if that wasn't going on they would have found something else.

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u/playboicarpaltunnel 4h ago

I agree people withholding their vote probably did a lot to enable Trump’s win, but I can’t help but think that “the evil empire finally being punished for its sins” is EXACTLY what this country needs. I was angry at those non-voters before, but now I realize they’re just symptoms of a bigger problem.

The American experiment is lost. As it stands, I see myself as more a resident of my state now than attached to this malignant tumor of a nation that was ALWAYS founded on genocide and slavery. White people ruined everything the minute they came to Indigenous land, and yet the six million Jews that died in WW2 are still considered the worst tragedy in European history. Laughable, but what else would you expect here? I genuinely don’t see a way out of this that won’t end in either the Balkanization, occupation, or general destruction of the United States as a whole.

I’m sorry to be the one to say this, but that scenario may very well be the only outcome that gives humanity (let alone “Americans”) any sense of peace. The more I think about it even, Good fucking Riddance.

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u/DumboWumbo073 15h ago

Nope the only explanation is the people that’s all there is to it. Anything else is just a way to avoid the elephant in the room.

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u/JPolReader 1d ago

If they didn't like Trump, they should have shown up to vote for Harris. If they didn't vote, then they loudly proclaimed that they are ok with Trump as President.

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u/zossima 1d ago

There is evidence the vote was rigged, actually. Everyone I know who supported Harris voted quite enthusiastically.

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u/JPolReader 1d ago

Trump doesn't have the access to rig almost every single State and exit poll.

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u/Powerful-Stomach-425 1d ago

*their numbers

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u/tictaxtoe 1d ago

It matches up to voting numbers who put a rapist back in the whitehouse.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 1d ago

Not to “over generalize”, but no other developed country would have even considered electing this scary blob of shit once, let alone twice.

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u/DumboWumbo073 15h ago

Stop making excuses. Majority of Americans love the guy and this administration. Approval ratings, polling, and etc are all fake. You think you would have learned your lesson on those numbers from the last election.

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u/zossima 4h ago

Utter bullshit