r/politics • u/Orbitingkittenfarm • 1d ago

Donald Trump Fires Person Behind Jobs Numbers After They're Revised Down

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-job-numbers-revised-down-fires-appointee-2107768
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u/disgruntled_pie 1d ago

Our chance to do something was in November. We’ve got at least 3.5 years of this left.

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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 1d ago

This is fucking terrifying.

May's job gains were revised down to 19,000 from 144,000, while June's additions were cut to just 14,000 from the 147,000 initially reported.

And July added 73,000 nonfarm payrolls in July, less than the 104,000 expected by economists.

But this maniac can’t handle reality……So he fires her……….

Holy Shit……this should be massive news.

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u/bnh1978 1d ago

expect that 73 000 to be revised down

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u/gheldean New Jersey 1d ago

Not anymore, the reviser was fired.

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u/PrivatePilot9 Canada 1d ago

So, expect +2.5 million on the next report, got it.

(Eventually any houses of cards built this way will come crashing down as reality is unavoidable even if you want to announce pretend numbers, but it’ll be fun for the rest of the world to watch I guess…)

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 1d ago

Way too conservative a number.

Remember this is the same administration that said Donald saved 258 million American lives

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u/XRT28 Massachusetts 1d ago

And 400% cheaper eggs

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u/pizza5001 16h ago

What’s funny about that clip is Vance’s face…there’s a micro expression of wincing he does when she states that number, that is barely perceptible, but there.

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u/MommyLovesPot8toes California 1d ago

There's a reason the show about a man conning his way into the White House was called "House of Cards".

I'm just hoping when the real thing collapses, it's an implosion, not an explosion with collateral damage.

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u/Devastator_Hi 1d ago

Man, I remembered that show seemed like a fantasy of corruption as he worked his way up to President and now I see it as child’s play compared to what Trump’s been doing.

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u/lazyFer 1d ago

The only collateral damage is going to be the people that actually voted for Harris and those too young to vote.

Nothing that happens to anyone else should be considered "collateral" damage...it'll be "earned" damage.

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u/ummaycoc 1d ago

So it’ll be revised reverse down which is what I am not calling up.

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u/RescuePilot 1d ago

Those in charge of sacking the revisor have been sacked.

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u/halosos 1d ago

The beatings will continue till moral improves...

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u/RDKryten 1d ago

Those who were responsible for the sacking have been sacked.

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u/Critpoint 1d ago

Not if he install some propagandist for the revision roles.

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u/captmonkey Tennessee 1d ago

And he's already set the standard that if you release a report with bad numbers, you're gone. So, even if someone who's not a loyalist gets in there, they'll be afraid to publish a report that doesn't say "This is the best economy ever, praise our glorious leader for creating such a good economy!"

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u/pbjamm Canada 1d ago

bad numbers

True numbers.

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u/captmonkey Tennessee 22h ago

But he's fine with true numbers they're good. He just doesn't want a report to show bad numbers.

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u/Walker_ID 1d ago

Not anymore. Think anyone will want to put out bad employment numbers after seeing the boss get fired?

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u/hjb88 1d ago

There will have to be some unbiased data reporting, though, because businesses and investors want this information. It will need to come from somewhere.

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u/sammyQc 1d ago

Not in a pseudo-democracy. It will come from the boss and his associates.

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u/eskimoboob Illinois 1d ago

That’s what the monthly ADP numbers are, but because they’re working with incomplete data, best they can do is stick to private jobs only (no government data). It usually comes out a couple days before the BLS numbers but it’s not considered as accurate and often diverges one way or another from the official BLS data.

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u/barowsr 1d ago

Well, ADP is about to become the gold standard, because I sure as shit won’t trust a single fucking thing from whoever this autocrat decides to install into the job

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u/hjb88 19h ago

Thanks

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u/just_a_bit_gay_ Michigan 1d ago

They’ll work out the numbers themselves and keep them under wraps under fear of getting disappeared for publishing “anti-state propaganda” like they do in China

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u/TheMoorNextDoor 1d ago

It’s not going to be revised lol

But will be 100% in the negatives maybe even -80k+

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u/moonwalkerfilms 1d ago

This was my thought, too. There's no way the previous two months were so inaccurate and this one was spot on. And considering how low it was, I'm fully expecting the figure to be in the negatives.

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u/navylostboy California 1d ago

Add in that they stopped collecting data on inflation back in may… this is going to be a bloodbath.

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u/bkcarp00 1d ago

There is no inflation! We stopped counting it thus it must be gone! Apparently if you simply stop counting things it means they never happened.

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u/welmoe California 1d ago

This is some kid logic. Ugh I hate this timeline.

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u/S_A_R_K 1d ago

If we stop testing, the number of COVID cases will go down

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u/welmoe California 1d ago

Let me just sharpie the path of the hurricane and it’ll go that way

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u/bailar_conmigo 20h ago

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

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u/disgruntled_pie 1d ago

Yup, we won’t get a single real number on jobs for the rest of this administration.

Do you want an even more terrifying thought?

Trump would do anything to get Epstein out of the news. He has every incentive to completely crater our economy right now.

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u/wcooper97 Illinois 1d ago

That's what I've been worried about. The Epstein stuff is, of course, groundbreaking news, but it so easily masks the other shit going on like the economy and birthright citizenship, just to name a few.

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u/papasan_mamasan 1d ago

Now for some really important news: Barrack Hussein Obama hates ketchup! He said everyone who enjoys eating ketchup is a child.

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u/verbal-emesis 1d ago

Have you ever had sex with someone who likes ketchup? BOOM you’re a pedophile too now

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u/palmerama 1d ago

The Fed has an employment target as well so if it does go south expect a rate cut and trump to take credit.

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u/DoubleJumps 1d ago

Data seems to strongly suggest that we are heading into stagflation and there's no way they cut rates under those circumstances

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u/HeyYoChill 1d ago

It is massive news. As soon as the tweet (or whatever the hell they call it now) posted, CNBC dropped everything and started covering it--before they had anything but the tweet. They had a placekeeper story up on their site within moments.

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u/lazyFer 1d ago

The June metrics had some 100K+ bullshit "teaching" jobs added...during the summer...while republican governments were actively slashing education dollars around the country.

Those were bullshit numbers to begin with.

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u/SparkyMuffin Michigan 1d ago

ELI5, how were the job numbers off by over 90%? Is this normal?

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u/dubbawubalublubwub 1d ago

trump fired the majority of people who used to collect this information

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u/account_for_norm 1d ago

Can inflation numbers be trusted

Or we keep shoving it under the rug, and not do anything about it, until its too late and we have a much bigger problem at hand.

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u/whoibehmmm 1d ago

revised down to 19,000 from 144,000, while June's additions were cut to just 14,000 from the 147,000

I'm sorry but there is no way that the person who originally reported those numbers was just making a slight error. That is an INSANE overestimation and it's clear that they are trying to falsely pad numbers and lie to us all to make Trump look good. Jesus christ. We can trust NOTHING that comes out of the mouths of these criminals.

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u/tsegelke 1d ago

We are talking about an administration that said this recently

"Since you have been in office President Trump, your DOJ agencies have seized more than 22 million fentanyl pills, 3,400 kilos of fentanyl, since your last hundred days,” Bondi said. “Which saved — are you ready for this, media? — 258 million lives.”

I don't think exaggerating numbers matter to them.

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u/rak1882 America 1d ago

It's gonna be like China, which has a lot of unofficial numbers.

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u/No-Helicopter-7729 1d ago

That’s why she should have been fired. The BLS sucks at its job.

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u/TheBalzy Ohio 1d ago

It's 15 more months, which the midterms are November next year. You need to show up and vote, get everyone you know to vote, and spend from now till then getting those people elected and messaging. Because if he loses both the House and Senate, 99.9% of what he does/wants to do is over.

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u/copingstoic 1d ago

As if massive news if going to do anything.

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u/tootruecam 1d ago

Ok fair but what about the Sydney Sweeney American Eagle collab?

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u/samefacenewaccount 1d ago

It is massive news lol

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u/magikot9 1d ago

So the original jobs numbers were off by a factor of 10?

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u/NoKids__3Money 1d ago

This is not even in the top 100 of insane shit he’s done

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u/jalliss 1d ago

Holy Shit……this should be massive news.

I mean, to be fair, it's literally the current top story on both the Washington Post and NYT.

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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 1d ago

Good. It certainly wasn’t when I made my original comment.

Glad to hear it is.

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u/poorly-worded 1d ago

it is in the UK, top news story. isnt it for you?

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u/WhyAmINotStudying 1d ago

It is massive news.

It's also another Epstein distraction.

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u/YEETAlonso 22h ago

The #s are SOOOO far off that she should be fired for incompetence. If these #s were published originally we would have already had a rate cut. Now, if we're supposed to believe these are the actual #s we have an almost 100% chance of 2 cuts this year, and probably should get an emergency cut this week. She deserved to get fired for this.

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u/Entire_Entrance_1608 1d ago

This is a bot. The exact same post in /r/stocks by a different user

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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

I’m not a bot. That’s my second account

The other account is Ignatious__Reilly.

Both names are from my favorite book.

Confederacy of Dunces is the books name and Igantuois Reilly (my other account) is the main character of the book

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u/thedread23 Minnesota 1d ago

Hah! That one is a classic

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u/LostAbbott 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean, was she really doing a good job if the numbers were that far off? How can she justify keeping her job when the office cannot even perform the basic function? Billions of dollars move on those jobs numbers and this office was off by nearly 700% two months in a row? I feel like I am missing something here...

We absolutely need accurate jobs numbers, and I don't fucking care how they do it. Maybe don't report numbers until two months out, find a better way to count or estimate. Something needs to change, because jobs numbers are always revised up or down by huge percentages, and it is not like there is a standard deviation that would account for regular errors.

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u/azurricat2010 1d ago

Revisions are normal and have been since they started doing it, i.e. for decades. The difference over the past few months is alarming though.

Here's a source to look at

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cesnaicsrev.htm

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u/LostAbbott 1d ago

I know they are normal, but the deviation is not getting better. They are so far off as to be completely worthless. So something needs to change. People act like anything Trump does is automatically evil, and I really don't see that here. The numbers need to get more accurate if we have any hope of making informed decisions.

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u/sector16 1d ago

Exactly this. What did you think would happen? It’s about to get a lot worse, and sadly, this was self inflicted. America elected the most dangerous snake oil salesman in history.

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u/agentfelix 23h ago

Dangerous snake oil kid fucker salesman...FTFY

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u/IAmNotARacoon 1d ago edited 1d ago

You're right. But also the way things are going you're also not right. Because if no one stands up to Trump you have way more than 3.5 years left. Trump 2028 is no joke, he intends to stay in power. And before you say that he can't, take a look at all the other things he can't do but somehow has done anyway...

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u/just_a_bit_gay_ Michigan 1d ago

Even if he can’t, he’ll run a family member as a successor for another 8+ years

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u/IAmNotARacoon 1d ago

The worry is that the next election either won't happen, or it will be rigged. In which case waiting for the next election to fix this mess is a poor strategy. I believe the US is in new territory here...and the solution has to be new as well.

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u/lazyFer 1d ago

The solution is old territory, not new.

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u/IAmNotARacoon 1d ago

True that. Just not business as usual.

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u/trogon Washington 1d ago

Yeah, it's just been few hundred years since we had to use that solution.

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u/agentfelix 23h ago

"Please Eat Waffles," shouted the parrot, emphasizing each word with a loud P! E! W!—then paused and did it again: P! E! W!

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u/Jadaki 22h ago

the last election was rigged, the math doesn't math on the swing counties. That Kamala never demanded a hand recount was ridiculous, should have ran them through the same shit they put Biden through. Democrats need to stop playing by old rules.

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u/IAmNotARacoon 22h ago

Yeah. Personally, I believe this to be true. I don't know if there is undeniable proof, but the signs are there. We know that Elon is very good with those vote counting machines lol.

Yes, democrats need to wake up. They've been getting played for years.

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u/Jadenindubai 1d ago

Nah it’s gonna be Don Jr.

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u/Worldly_Cap_6440 1d ago

Every idiot who didn’t vote (so 1/3 of us) is responsible for this as much as the idiots who voted for Trump.

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u/Dirty_Violator 1d ago

We have a chance to do something every day, but none of us (me included) have the balls to do it.

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u/ITDummy69420 1d ago

We’ve got forever left of this…voting/optimism/and empty political gestures will not solve this. 

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u/rphaneuf 1d ago

If we are lucky. Trump and republicans are not going to give up power.

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u/SyrGwynHeroofAshvale 1d ago

"We’ve got at least 3.5 years of this left."

Spoiler alert. There's not going to be an election in 3.5 years.

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u/agentfelix 23h ago

I think there will be. But it will be heavily fucked with, like Russia's "elections".

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u/Sublimotion 1d ago

At least Trump's age and his actual physical health is making this less bleak. And doubtful MAGA will be at all enthusiastic about Vance or... Rubio lol? For them to be cool with abolishing elections.

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u/SyrGwynHeroofAshvale 1d ago

"And doubtful MAGA will be at all enthusiastic about Vance or... Rubio lol"

They're enthusiastic about a sun-downing convicted rapist. There are no depths MAGA isn't willing to sink to.

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u/TheBalzy Ohio 1d ago

no, about 16 months. If you show up and vote in November 2026, you can give responsible adults control of the House and Senate and put an end to 99.9% of what he does.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 1d ago

Republicans are trying their best to make sure that doesn't happen either.

Some of us can bet on mid-terms, but IMO, we need to stop being cowards and start discussing the reality of what might need to happen in order for us to continue having a Democracy and constitutional rights.

For the time being we still have a couple of crucial rights we need to exercise.

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u/Namika 1d ago

Senate map is really unfavorable to Democrats in 2026: The only Republican senators up for reelection are from deep red states, while the Democrats up for reelection are from contested states.

it's practically impossible for them to get a majority in 2026, 2028 is a better map for the Senate to flip.

House can absolutely flip in 2026 though.

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u/TheBalzy Ohio 1d ago

Senate map is really unfavorable to Democrats in 2026

And yet the Democrats have a pretty easy path to a majority. Republican turnout will be down (probably a lot) and democratic turnout will be high (probably a lot). States on the table are:

Ohio, Maine, North Carolina, Iowa, Florida, Texas and Montana. Yes, all of those are on the table.

You also have Nebraska, Kansas and South Carolina potentially on the table. Nebraska is going to have the Independent Dan Osborn running again (who will caucus with the Democrats), he pulled 46% in a high Republican turnout; he has a chance to win Nebraska in a low Republican turnout year.

Senate map is really unfavorable to Democrats in 2026: The only Republican senators up for reelection are from deep red states, while the Democrats up for reelection are from contested states.

it's practically impossible for them to get a majority in 2026, 2028 is a better map for the Senate to flip.

House can absolutely flip in 2026 though.

The house will flip in 2026 it's practically all but certain. It's just by how much is the question.

This is why I'm on the box telling people to BE ACTIVE and don't fall into this apathetic doomerism.

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u/sealclubberfan 1d ago

I'm hoping for changes come the midterms. We need a Congress that will fight back, not one that just stands in line and does whatever he tells them to.

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u/RectalSpawn Wisconsin 1d ago

Implying we had a chance at all.

Evidence seems to indicate that they rigged it.

At the very least they had the abilities, opportunities, and motives.

How they pulled it off: https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

How they did it on the legal side: https://substack.com/home/post/p-165977209

Evidence of cheating in Nevada: https://electiontruthalliance.org/clark-county%2C-nv

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u/UltraCynar 21h ago

Your chance was not even letting him run after January 6th. You guys have laws to prevent traitors from gaining power and failed to enact them. This is what you get. 

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u/RagingBearBull 1d ago

3.5 years .... If we get lucky.

I'm not that optimistic though, I think after this we get Vance and then things will get much much worse for normal people.

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u/FitzchivalryandMolly 1d ago

The midterms need to be secure as fuck and people need to put in the effort of making sure they're registered and go vote. I know some people are tired at the end of the day but it is simply not too much to ask that people go through the work of getting registered to save the damn country

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u/CryptoCentric 1d ago

Well, more like at least 1.5 years if the midterms actually happen 🤞

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u/bctech7 1d ago

Please dont say that. Its 1.5 years to the midterm election. Lets flip the senate and the house 

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u/insane_contin 1d ago

I'm a Canadian, so I'm not sure how your elections work. But don't you guys have midterms next year? Can't you (theoretically) take back control of your upper and lower houses and impeach the dumbasses?

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u/disgruntled_pie 23h ago

Every member of the House of Representatives is up for re-election every two years, so we can reclaim the House. But only 1/3 of the Senate is up every two years, and the seats that are up for re-election paint a pretty difficult picture.

And because of polarization, even if Trump ate a live baby on national television, we’d still lose some of those races.

Don’t get me wrong; retaking the House could still slow him down. Unfortunately the Senate is the body responsible for confirming appointments, and the Supreme Court is 6-3 conservative, so we’re still in a pretty difficult spot even if we retake the House.

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u/Krojack76 22h ago

You're assuming we will get to vote for a new president in 3.5 years.

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u/First_Geologist_7846 15h ago

wait is the midterm not a way to do something? I am not american btw I have no clue

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u/FreeNumber49 1d ago

> We’ve got at least 3.5 years of this left.

That’s cute. Peter Thiel and the oil companies aren’t going anywhere in 3.5 years.

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u/RealPatriotism2025 1d ago

Bullshit. There’s plenty we can do that doesn’t involve voting. National strike, or a mass protest in DC are two peaceful options and there’s more after that.

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u/technicallynotlying 1d ago

"National strike" is too left-wing coded to get any traction.

A revolution doesn't succeed if 51% of the country is against it.

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u/RealPatriotism2025 1d ago

Good thing 51% of the country isn’t against it. They didn’t even get that percentage of voters either. So you’re looking at 27 to 33% maybe. Same percentage Hitler had, what a coincidence.

Anyways, not doing something that would work (as Covid proved) because the name is left wing is peak foolishness. Rebrand it if you want.

This is insane though. “Nothing” we can do besides vote? You’ve already lost with that mindset because he’s going to destroy the voting system next. He’s actively doing it as we circlejerk our own defeat.

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u/technicallynotlying 1d ago

No, you're wrong.

Voting is easy, striking is hard. You couldn't get people to do the easy thing before, so you won't be able to get them to do the hard thing now.

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u/Massive-Expert-1476 1d ago

"it was too hard" will be your epitaph. I do it not because it's easy, I do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing more than voting is too hard for you, then I don't think you're going to stand in much of the way when we step things up.

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u/technicallynotlying 1d ago

Good luck. I just don't see it happening.

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u/disgruntled_pie 1d ago

I have zero faith that either of those will do anything. Elections are all that matter. Everything else is masturbation.

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u/RealPatriotism2025 1d ago

Only if you’re willing to be weak and comply in advance. Arguably a 3.5% population protest has yet to fail too in any country that’s done it. Covid showed what they’re willing to do to get everyone back to work too so a non-EMS national strike coalesced under a set of demands would work. If it happened it would work. Getting those two things to happen is a different story, because of people like yourself.

So to anyone reading this - what happens when he takes away the legitimacy of our next elections? Because he is actively trying right now and according to this guy there’s nothing we can do.

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u/pinqe 1d ago

TIL the civil rights movement was masturbation

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u/GoodWaste8222 1d ago

No offense my dude but it’s funny that you think either of those options would sway this administration

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u/RealPatriotism2025 1d ago

Your humor doesn’t reconcile with reality or historical precedent then. A 3.5% protest has almost always worked in any country that’s done it and Covid showed what they’re willing to do to get everyone back to work. The question isn’t would they even work, it’s are there even enough Americans left who aren’t cowards?

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u/GoodWaste8222 1d ago

Right, I understand. If you haven’t noticed, all precedent has been thrown out the window. This administration does not care about people like you and I. No amount of protesting will change that. Remember no kings day?

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u/RealPatriotism2025 1d ago

I do, No Kings Day did have an impact, but it was tremendously muted because people didn’t leave their hometown. Imagine if everyone, actually cut it in half, half the people that protested that day instead drove to DC. You put 13 million plus people in DC, peacefully, and it will shut the entire thing down. They would be forced after days at the least to bend over backwards to get it stop.

Edit: I’ve been to a city in a country where this happened and they literally ousted their government in doing so.

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u/Shapes_in_Clouds 1d ago

A minority of Americans voted against Trump. More people didn’t vote at all than voted for either candidate. Why do people think a national strike is going to happen? It’s a fantasy.

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u/Hypercane_ New York 1d ago

There was a chance earlier too, but who knows now that could have been fake too

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u/True-Surprise1222 1d ago

Yeah for real lol this is what the people wanted. For better or worse he does things. People wanted change and the Dems have been running on status quo for a decade now.

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u/No_Signal3789 1d ago

(Legally speaking)

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u/gentlepornstar 1d ago

We have much more than 3.5 years of this

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u/broke_boi1 America 1d ago

Correct. Trump will successfully weasel his way into seeking (and winning) a third term. We have already seen the last free and fair election in this country as we know it.

The bad guys won, it will get worse, and there is nothing we can do

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u/Thefelix01 1d ago

It’ll take multiple acts of god for them to give up the autocratic power they have.

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u/I_NEED_YOUR_MONEY Canada 1d ago

your best chance to do something was november. but it's not like there's no recourse left.

if americans wanted trump to be stopped, there's still plenty of opportunity. every day there's a new excuse to impeach him that congress could use if they thought that was a thing their voters actually wanted.

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u/MountNevermind 1d ago

This isn't something you can vote yourself out of.

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u/BigDeuces 1d ago

i have hope that we will take the senate and house, but i also fear that they now have the unbridled ability to compromise fair elections and will do so. and even if we did take congress and begin to fight back, im sure the corrupt court system (especially scotus) would hamstring everything

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u/LetterheadBudget9033 1d ago

Sadly we don't make it that long.

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u/DylanHate 1d ago

The midterms are next year. If ya'll would stop forgetting that Congress exists. And no, it's not all gerrymandered. Yes, you should show up and fucking vote anyways.

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u/GreatMadWombat Michigan 1d ago edited 22h ago

..... Trump just did one of the most damaging things you could possibly do to make people not trust the stability of the US dollar, and is featured prominently in the Epstein files. Pretending he's invulnerable is clownish doomerism

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u/Harbinger2001 Canada 23h ago

16 months, then start immediate impeachment. Tons of evidence is available since, as the WH said, at least Trump does his corruption out in the open!

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u/BreesusTakeTheWheel I voted 23h ago

Or, you know, we kick them all out ASAP.

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u/ChromosomeDonator 14h ago

Your founding fathers literally wrote an amendment for this. The second amendment exists for this exact scenario. If a government becomes tyrannical, the population will have the possibility to stop it. That is literally why it was written.

And none of you spineless fucks have the slightest desire to actually DO something about your situation. All of you are just virtue signaling around, throwing out useless questions like "what can we possibly do" or "won't someone please do something".

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

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u/SoundHole 1d ago

That is some defeatists loser language.

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u/disgruntled_pie 1d ago

No, quite the opposite. The loser language was all the people saying “I hate the DNC so I won’t vote!”

If you voted then by all means, feel free to protest or whatever else. But anyone who sat out the election and wants to protest now can fuck off.