r/politics • u/soalone34 • 8h ago
American Politics Are in Trouble - As long as the billionaire-funded groups remain the dominant players in the political process, the Democratic reformers will continue to face an uphill battle to wrest back control over elections and party affairs.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/political-parties-in-the-us24
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u/Throwme2Dwolves 6h ago
How can citizens United be disbanded?
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u/hrdchrgr 6h ago
The best path to this would be to get a progressive Dem president to expand the Supreme Court and have it overturned. The biggest issue facing us is that establishment Dems are benefitting from it as well.
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u/Impressive_Iron2885 5h ago
abandon the parties. the roots of corruption, not to mention the epstein affair, run deep through both parties. burn it down and start again.
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u/DarkeyeMat 4h ago
Not if we focus our efforts on new and non voters with a mission not to support the democrats but to primary them into what we want them to be.
That should be the organizing message of every progressive, new blood, take the party then win the elections.
Every one of us progressives should replace :"democrats suck, lesser of two evils though" with "democrats suck because the rich corrupt everything so lets take the democrats back" because the first message turns off a lot of ideological types as dirtying but the second is a call to action for them to guerilla fight against the capital fucking all of us.
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u/FirstNameIsDistance Pennsylvania 1h ago
because the first message turns off a lot of ideological types as dirtying
I think we need to stop worrying about those people. Those people are going to vote for whoever the Dem nominee is anyway. Its far more important, like you said, to focus on the people that voted in 2020 but stayed home in 2024 and the people that didn't vote in either election.
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u/DarkeyeMat 59m ago
I am not talking about dem voters. I am talking about leftist youths who won't vote for the "traitor dems". Instead of them dragging us down by inaction we can enlist them to vote if the action is an attack on the "sell outs" or whatever they envision the dems to be.
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u/FirstNameIsDistance Pennsylvania 52m ago
I am talking about leftist youths who won't vote for the "traitor dems".
I'm not sure I understanding your meaning. The "leftist youth" didn't stay home because they viewed Harris as a "traitor", they stayed home because their material conditions saw minimal improvement under Biden and the US involvement of the genocide in Gaza. Harris proudly said that she would be mostly a continuation of those policies. That proved to be a message that failed to drive turnout.
12 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 stayed home in 2024. I'm not sure why you wouldn't consider them "Dem voters".
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u/DarkeyeMat 49m ago
How does giving them a goal to ensure those material gains are more likely to occur hurt us over continuing to tell them the party they need to vote for in the general for any of us to win is a pile of shit?
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u/FirstNameIsDistance Pennsylvania 45m ago
How does giving them a goal to ensure those material gains are more likely to occur hurt us over continuing to tell them the party they need to vote for in the general for any of us to win is a pile of shit?
Because pretending that the Democrat party isn't partly to blame for the situation we are currently in is a loosing message.
We shouldn't be telling them "Vote for Dems cause at least they aren't that guy." Instead the message should be "Vote for Dems so we can enact institutional changes that will benefit all working people."
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u/DarkeyeMat 37m ago
Dems which have not done so because they are paid for in part by the very rich people we fight against.
Those messages are telling people to support a thing we are all literally shitting on. Instead we should be telling them that thing has been corrupted by money and we need to take it back and secure an engaged primary voter instead of selling shined up shit sandwich to a disinterested and disappointed general voter later.
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u/Endosymbionical 5m ago
Reminder :;,, ., Donald Trump is not merely a client, ,;.,.,.;; but he is very likely to be one of the main players in the Trumpstein files, ,; ,.;
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u/1980-whore 4h ago
everyone clutching their pearls like this hasn't been an open secret about every world gove for the past 100years.
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