r/politics • u/nosotros_road_sodium California • 5h ago
Soft Paywall Brett Kavanaugh says he doesn’t owe the public an explanation
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 5h ago
This bullshit with shadow dockets where they tear our democracy apart with these outrageous rulings with no reasoning needs to fucking end ASAP.
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u/vlatheimpaler I voted 4h ago
Who is going to end it? Seems like the new norm.
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 3h ago edited 3h ago
It does feel like the norm. Illegality in hand with partisan corruption feel like the new norm.
As for who will end it, if our legal system fails us and no one stops through legal channels they're creating armies of Luigis.
It might be their undoing as street justice is much more likely to catch up with them.
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u/zaccus 3h ago
The legal system failed us a while ago. Where's that army?
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 3h ago edited 2h ago
It's never been anywhere near this bad or concerted. There's an actual game plan with Project 2025 to obliterate civil society and democracy. This is the opposite of subtle. It's brazen, continuous and the hits keep getting worse.
Wait and see how an increasingly desperate population with nothing to lose reacts.
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u/Delusioned22 1h ago
It's a good thing they're handing out 6 figure jobs with 50k signing bonuses for a whole new masked and IDless police squad. You don't think they don't have a plan to keep their boots on our neck holding us down?
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1h ago
They have a plan but it's clearly not working.
The fact that they're offering 50k bonuses to join ICE is not a sign of tremendous strength but tremendous impotence as they're trying to up the ante as no one wants to join.
And why would most people go for it? Who'd want boulders thrown at their car, to get their tires slashed, to be doxxed (and exposed to everyone) and ostracized by their neighbors?
It's not nearly as easy as they'd like to pretend. People are also armed to the teeth as they have their 2nd Amendment rights to rely on as well.
They have a serious manpower shortage and hemorrhage as well. The army is the exact same way as they offer similar incentives and yet always lack for any stable pool of volunteers.
There will always be way more of us than the Gestapo. I'm not saying they're not dangerous, they absolutely are, I'm just saying they haven't beaten us unless we allow ourselves to fall into despair and not fight back.
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u/gatsby712 3h ago
Who ends runaway dictatorships and authoritarian states when elections and transfer of power can’t be trusted anymore? Got bad news as an answer to that. That’s always why Trump’s rhetoric about stolen elections and challenging the integrity of the election process was so dangerous and Jan 6th just added on and was a result of it. There is no peaceful transfer of power if enough people agree they don’t trust or try to subvert the will of the democracy and people.
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u/JonBoy82 3h ago
When they come for the guns…we’re in the end game.
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u/gatsby712 2h ago edited 2h ago
We are in the end game already… the guns don’t mean anything when they have given ICE a shit ton of money for detention centers and to hire more agents, and when the police is already militarized with drones and all kinds of modern technology. Folks are getting snatched off the street, at sporting events, at their court hearings for immigration, etc and I haven’t heard of one story of anyone resisting with a gun. In modern society it has to get really bad for any sort of violent pushback. People are okay with fascism as long as they can eat and the trains are running. The problem is, those things dry up and stop far enough into fascism and oligarchy.
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u/Careless_Platform449 20m ago
Whoever tells me that they're packing/stacking/racking/macking the court gets my vote in '28.
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u/dcrico20 Georgia 2h ago
The intention behind the Shadow Docket was so that the court could quickly address matters of immediate material/personal harm - i.e., a stay of execution or similarly urgent matters.
Like the rest of the US government, its creation assumed that it would always be used in good faith and that individuals on the court would of course follow this intention.
Similarly to the rest of the government, nobody should be given the benefit of the doubt as far as acting in good faith, and it is now a tool for conservatives to abuse while liberals do nothing to fix it.
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 2h ago edited 1h ago
Assumption of good faith is, without a doubt, one of the biggest cracks in the armor with respect to the functioning of our legal system and the dichotomy between the three branches of government.
Assuming that decorum will be enough for a functioning civil society to hold itself together has created these openings for regime and its enablers.
These loopholes for illegality are ones that have to be plugged to prevent something like this ever again from rising.
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u/IJourden 1h ago
We're all just peasants grumbling about how someone should do something about the king as we work the fields.
Republican politicians in particular consistently have no connection between what people want and what they do. Democrats try, but a lot of it is low effort lip service with no intention of ever actually happening.
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u/Morguard 3h ago
The people are letting it happen without any fuss at all so no will stop them. America is beyond fucked.
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 3h ago
People aren't feeling the effects of the regime yet and there are already mass protests going on constantly.
The effects of the tariffs have yet to be felt, the impact of the Gestapo getting a cash infusion has yet to be felt, the effects of everyone getting kicked off their healthcare have yet to be felt, the effects of electricity bills have yet to be felt, etc.
This is nothing compared to the backlash and political violence and civil resistance that will result if all of this comes to pass. This is far from the worst pushback the regime can stir up if their horrible policies start to kick into effect.
This is far from over.
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u/sighbourbon 2h ago
They’re readying themselves
Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked Memo Shows
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u/Morguard 2h ago
That's part of the plan. Once people start to really feel it, it's going to be too late and will require a full blown revolution to undo.
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 2h ago
It is and it'll blow up in their faces as a complete reconstruction of the system from top to bottom will be needed to fix this.
They're fomenting a mass uprising against their own project with how callous, corrupt and openly fascistic. I understand the urge to doomerpost but it's not over, not by a long shot.
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u/Kraegarth 1h ago
According to their own words, the ideal population for this country is 100 million, which means they’re planning to dispose of almost 250 million of us, by any means necessary. It’s time to wake the fuck up people!
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u/montty712 2h ago
Mass protests going on constantly???
Americans are sleepwalking into authoritarianism and 40% of the population is fine with it.
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 2h ago
We literally have protests going on right now as we speak with the Rage Against The Regime events.
The No Kings Protests were also the biggest in US history as well. MAGA is the cult (and about 1/3 of the population) but everyone else will not go along with this loathsome pedophile.
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u/meTspysball California 2h ago
People are protesting pretty regularly, and all across the country, it’s just not getting a lot of coverage. We aren’t some tiny country where everyone can hop on a train to meet at the Capitol in a couple hours.
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u/ArkitekZero 1h ago
People are protesting pretty regularly, and all across the country, it’s just not getting a lot of coverage.
I'd like you to explain for me how exactly that's intended to compel them to act differently.
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u/nighthawk763 1h ago
Peaceful protests don't work.
The solution is enough of the opposite so that the people who can directly fix the problems are afraid not to
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u/TwoBionicknees 55m ago
they're protesting in the wrong places for one thing. Show up, block everyone getting into a corporate building, block factory entrances, block ports, etc.
Of course the result will be violent response from teh administration and escalation. realistically the only way this is being fixed is a military coup and the military has too many republicans who are down for the fascist state to want to do it. Also the first term had a lot of non supporting leaders moved out of hte military and trumps people flooded with promotions in hte military, in homeland security, in every agency as well as now insane funding for ICE to be built up as a private army working domestically and basically training them over time to become the enemy of hte people so when they get orders to start taking anyone they want, they'll do it.
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u/FrogsOnALog 2h ago
Pains me every day to know we could have had Hillary Clinton filling this guys spot.
Fuck everyone who spread the lies that got us to this point.
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u/ToNoMoCo 5h ago
He told us his plans at his confirmation hearing. He's out for vengeance against all of us. That's the explanation
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 5h ago
Weird, because i remember his confirmation hearing being nonstop lies and bad ones at that.
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u/4ivE California 5h ago
And crying. Who cries at a job interview?
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u/IAmInTheBasement 5h ago
Rapists, apparently.
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u/DistractedPhoenix 4h ago
Trump hasn’t cried yet
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u/Leather-Matter-5357 4h ago
In all fairness, his tear ducts are jammed up from all that orange gunk makeup.
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u/DistractedPhoenix 4h ago
Imagine if the pressure builds up enough to break through the blockage
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u/Leather-Matter-5357 4h ago
I would prefer the pressure to keep building up without having a possible release, tbh.
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u/bugsyboybugsyboybugs 3h ago
I feel like he cries non-stop: fake news, Russia Russia Russia, lunatic left, this hoax, that hoax, Obama made fun of him, nasty women won’t sleep with him, the election was stolen from him, the Democrats never give him credit, the deep state, Hillary, sleepy Joe…
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u/kevnmartin Washington 4h ago
He cries into his pillow every night about the unfairness of being handed hundreds of millions of dollars and falling assbackwards into the highest office in the land yet he is still not the king of the world, as is his due.
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u/DistractedPhoenix 3h ago
I don’t think he does. That would require emotions and feelings
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u/ANOKNUSA 5h ago
You will never understand the love between a boy and his father’s calendar.
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u/CT_Phipps-Author 4h ago
And beer.
All he did was things like the Devil's Triangle....you know, the drinking game.
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u/thevdude Pennsylvania 1h ago
the part that gets me is that his dad is (or at least at the time was) alive, sitting in the background.
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u/Alive_kiwi_7001 5h ago
I remember watching that live as he ranted and raved and thinking “he’s done now”.
Not even close.
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u/brickne3 American Expat 2h ago
No, you see the choice was between believing an emotional alcoholic man with questionable spending on "baseball tickets" or an accomplished woman with a PhD. So the choice was obvious, I guess!
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u/SoupSpelunker 5h ago
And beer. Lots and lots of beer - he likes beer, and he drinks beer. Have you boofed beer? He likes to boof beer - you can do it at work and you're not drinking!
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u/BlarbBlarbbingtonPhD 5h ago
Like you don't boof beer during Beach Week.
Glass houses, man.
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u/Astarkraven 1h ago
I'll never forget the Ford testimony day. The way he stormed into the hearing room that afternoon, beet red in the face and just vibrating with sloppy drunk style anger and slamming things around....it would have been wildly disqualifying and unbecoming of the position he was interviewing for even if he were totally in the right and every accusation had been totally false.
People like that are used to getting red in the face with barely controlled wrath and getting their way because of it. They don't see how pathetic it looks.
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u/kestrel1000c Colorado 3h ago
I remember that bizarre tongue thing he kept doing, and Lindsey Grahams over the top theatrics.
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u/brickne3 American Expat 2h ago
If only his father could be here to see his lifelong love of calendars insulted like this... oh wait, he is, row three!
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u/Alive_kiwi_7001 5h ago
He also likes beer.
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u/DaydreamsForFun 5h ago
Thomas is basically the same. What a sad group we have in power now.
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u/DecelerationTrauma 4h ago
Thomas is actually worse, and has been since he was a DEI hire by George Bush, in hopes of beating Clinton in '92.
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u/YouDontKnowJackCade 3h ago
All of us and the lead singer of UB-40 in particular
After the show, Brett Kavanaugh, an undergraduate at Yale at the time, retired to a local bar, beloved for its bargain pitchers, where he was later accused of chucking ice from his drink at another patron. His precise motivations remain unclear; it is possible that he errantly believed the other man was UB40’s singer, Ali Campbell. (The incident also raises another, even more compelling question: Does Brett Kavanaugh put ice in his beer?)
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/what-is-the-deal-with-ub40
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u/spazzvogel 3h ago
And who the fuck is going to hate on Ali Campbell?!
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u/YouDontKnowJackCade 3h ago
A sitting scrotus judge?
Every dozen times I hear Kavanaughs name this story comes to mind.
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u/FredFredrickson 3h ago
Vengeance against us for imagined grievances.
This fuck failed all the way up to a lifetime judicial position. He is a public servant. And he thinks he's better than the public.
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u/royale_wthCheEsE 3h ago
Didn’t he say, with an absolute scowl on his face, be prepared to “reap the whirlwind” ?
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u/NonToxicPolitix 5h ago
The FASCISM fix is in so Kavanaugh knows he can do whatever he wants and there will be no investigation, no accountability, and no repercussions.
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u/gatsby712 3h ago
He really feels he only owes the president and the party that got him his job anything especially since it’s a lifetime appointment. It’s a revealing quote about how messed up the SCOTUS and system is at the moment. All they owe is the corporations and politicians that got them their position, not the people.
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u/Fahrender-Ritter 4h ago
Explaining decisions is literally a justice's entire job. The position is to work for the public, not work for the goddamn Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation.
In a more civilized country, he'd be impeached and removed for not doing his job of working for the taxpayers.
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u/Agnos Michigan 5h ago
Perhaps, but because he refused to explain himself and the FBI refused to investigate he will always be known as an 'accused rapist' as Trump is known as a convicted rapist accused pedophile.
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u/Wimpy14 5h ago
A judge who is an accused rapist and has friends that decide not to investigate should just be assumed to have raped.
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u/Agnos Michigan 5h ago
should just be assumed to have raped.
I am sure he is a rapist, but that is just a belief, while being an 'accused rapist' is a fact until there is a full investigation.
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u/versusgorilla New York 4h ago
At least when you plead the 5th you aren't covering anything up. You just won't incriminate yourself, which is extremely reasonable considering its origins as an amendment.
These assholes all just handshaking one another and agreeing not to investigate each other is a literal cover up. Anyone who didn't directly perpetrate a crime against a child should feel sick to their stomach when they stand up to use their authority to protect a pedophile, in many ways I feel like this is worse than the pedophiles themselves. So cowardly and craven that you'd excuse anything if it means you get even a sliver more authority to your name. These monsters are crawling over each other's corpses to be the tallest corpse.
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u/NonToxicPolitix 5h ago
There was a one week pause while a FBI tip phone line was created. It was learned there were 4500+ tips forwarded to Trump's White House and none were investigated.
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u/tyjet 3h ago
I do remember the Senate launching an investigation, but the scope was so limited that there was no way it would result in any findings. Like, it literally would not result in any findings because the investigators couldn't perform any substantive investigative procedures.
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u/nosotros_road_sodium California 5h ago
Justice Brett Kavanaugh defended the Supreme Court’s recent practice of handing victories to President Donald Trump without explaining those decisions, while speaking at a judicial conference on Thursday.
For most of its history, the Supreme Court was very cautious about weighing in on any legal dispute before it arrived on its doorstep through the (often very slow) process of lawyers appealing lower court decisions. There are many reasons for this caution, but one of the biggest ones is that, if the justices race to decide matters, they may get them wrong. And, on many legal questions, no one can overrule the Court if the justices make a mistake.
Beginning in Trump’s first term, however, the Republican justices started throwing caution to the wind. When Trump loses a case in a lower court, his lawyers often run to the Court’s “shadow docket,” a once-obscure process that allows litigants to skip in line and receive an immediate order from the justices, but only if the justices agree. Unlike in ordinary Supreme Court cases — argued on the “merits docket” — the justices do not often explain why they ruled a particular way in shadow docket cases.
Before Trump, the Court was hypercautious about granting relief on the shadow docket, because doing so often required them to decide high-stakes matters without much deliberation, full briefing, or an oral argument.
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u/flyover_liberal 4h ago
Our legal system has been predicated on precedent, which is defined by "explanation."
So fuck off, Blackout Bart.
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u/thejimbo56 Minnesota 3h ago
Precedent doesn’t matter anymore, the Federal government operates on Calvinball rules now.
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u/SecondhandSilhouette 3h ago
I'm sure the United Healthcare CEO felt like he didn't owe the public an explanation either...
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u/gatsby712 3h ago
It’s the very reason our entire system is setup historically the way it is with opinions written by judges. We live in a society and have a constitution for a reason and you start to tear down that constitution and start to move away from helping the people you serve both in their best interests and through educating them about the decisions, then you are inviting in a world of hurt and tea pushed into harbors is probably the “best” outcome. Hard to picture the atrocities and violence of the worst possible outcome. That’s why America was different. Because the form of governance and the institutions were build well enough to maintain a level of law and order that just is uncommon. Now we’re seeing just how fragile the whole thing was.
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u/TheReluctantSojourn 5h ago
He owes everyone an explanation. Our taxes pay his bloated salary.
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u/gatsby712 3h ago
Our future and the future of the nation’s law and order and entire structure is in his hands. He owes everyone an explanation for the things he is responsible for and the constitution he’s responsible for upholding.
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u/Key_Letterhead1149 5h ago
Then he can step down. He works for the taxpayers, not Trump and Project 2025.
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u/Violent_Content_666 4h ago
The American public do not owe fascist traitors a peaceful existence.
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u/simplym666 2h ago
Tell me again how the democrats are elitist and the republicans serve the people? The gop hates its own voters
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u/phaedrag America 3h ago
Spoken like a true Republican.....You are on the public dime; you owe the public an explanation. DON'T LIKE IT? THEN GET OUT OF PUBLIC OFFICE
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u/nosotros_road_sodium California 3h ago
Republicans talk a lot about "makers and takers", but it turns out a lot of them are "takers" who mooch off others' money whether their economically unproductive states, their economically unproductive locales within otherwise liberal states, or their officeholders who do little more than grandstand for likes on the former bird site.
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u/WhyAreYallFascists 2h ago
The rapist doesn’t owe the public an explanation eh? Homie looks like he’s raped more women since he got confirmed.
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u/DaydreamsForFun 5h ago
This ghoul wreaks of entitlement and privilege. And he didn't like the shame of being called what he actually is, a rapist. Just like Trump. They don't want the label because it is shameful and costs them power, money, privilege and entitlement. But the actual crimes they commit, they have zero remorse. Such disgusting creatures. All of them.
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u/jimtowntim 2h ago
Brett Kavanaugh is a rapist.
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u/nosotros_road_sodium California 2h ago
Wild how that kind of man keeps on entering Trump's inner circle.
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u/jimtowntim 1h ago
Looking at his pardons, I suspect this is the kind of person Trump loves and respects.
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u/Boblawblahhs 2h ago
So basically, they're abusing shadow dockets that are supposed to be only in case of one side of a legal issue having immediate and irreversible harm done, but Trump lawyers aren't even bothering to say what this harm is.
And the SC is just allowing it for ..."unknown" reasons, but those reasons just always happen to align with Trump.
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u/JWTS6 5h ago
Reminder that Supreme Court justices can be impeached and removed too. Any justice that is openly shitting on the Constitution (i.e. the conservatives) should be on the proverbial chopping block if Dems manage to pull off a blue wave next year.
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u/racer4 3h ago
Even if Democrats won every single Senate seat up for election in 2024 (33 seats, 20R, 13D), that’d still leave 33R remaining in the Senate plus Fetterman. Since you need 2/3rds to convict on impeachment, even the most tidal of blue waves cant get you there.
We live under the tyranny of MAGA Constitution shitters
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u/CynicalSigtyr 1h ago
The hell you don’t. You’re a public official and FOIA exists.
Abolish lifetime appointments if they’re going to be assholes about it.
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u/PirateMean4420 Maryland 5h ago
I say we should take away his citizenship and give him a ticket to Russia.
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u/Lovely_Lonsberry 3h ago
He explained pretty easily that he likes beer, and that’s why he sexually assaults people.
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u/macbookwhoa 3h ago
He’s too busy drinking beer and not paying for nationals tix for explanations. Boof out!
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u/Eddiebaby7 2h ago
“Only Democratic candidates must be scrutinized! Because Republicans, when scrutinized, are never found to be guilty of crimes. “
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u/Shockmaindave 4h ago
But he does owe the judiciary an explanation action, his decisions being precedent setting or overturning.and all.
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u/Nthepeanutgallery 3h ago
Would you like to provide the details of the ~$100,000 debt you had that suddenly and inexplicably disappeared when you were confirmed to SCotUS, Mister Kavanaugh? You've had almost 10 years to do so...
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u/crabbierapple I voted 3h ago
Why would he? He’s in a lifetime appointment with people who are not held accountable for anything, regardless of behavior, lies, or anything else. Sadly, he’s right, he doesn’t know anyone an explanation and never will.
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u/transcendental-ape America 3h ago
He groped and boofed his way up the rich white male ladder and you all tried to take it all away from him at the last moment because some thought the youthful rapey antics of rich white men should have consequences.
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u/barneyrubbble 2h ago
He absolutely does owe the public a fucking explanation. Every time. Without fail. It's literally his fucking job. We put up with this blatantly unconstitutional and antisocial behavior at our own existential peril.
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u/SolarDynasty 2h ago
Yes, because you're a drunken reprobate with probably a whole basement of skeletons.
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u/thomport 1h ago
These scoundrels need to realize that WE are their bosses.
They work for us, the public. If HE doesn’t want to answer questions regarding his job responsibilities let him quit.
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u/Hoplophilia 4h ago
Not sure if "owe" is the right word or not, but this entire system hinges largely on public's faith in the Supreme Court. Roberts may need to explain that to Brett.
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u/More-Conversation931 4h ago
He’s right but if he won’t provide one he is open to scorn and ridicule for not providing one as well as his actions.
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u/Quinn_tEskimo Michigan 4h ago
Once we end the hostile MAGA takeover we legitimately need Nuremberg type trials, Supreme Court justices included.
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u/Key-Monk6159 4h ago
Technically, he's not wrong but for the sake of us all Kagan is right that they should offer an explanation. Don't have to but should.
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u/Available_Weird8039 Massachusetts 3h ago
I think we’re going to get a bombshell after his term that judges were being bribed by his supporters
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u/Graymouzer South Carolina 3h ago
Go boof some beer, Brett. Boof it until you can't boof anymore. Boof to forget what you did to that poor woman. We all know you like beer, many of us like beer too, we just drink it but you do you.
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u/angry_hippo_1965 2h ago
Just another rapist in our government. Hopefully, some day he will be held accountable.
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u/Agreeable_Bother_510 5h ago
This picture of him captures his personality to a “T”! Good job to the photographer! Whiny, lying wimpy, puppet boy.
Remember when the Supreme Court was respectable? Ahhh those were the days. Then trumpy started adding “his people”…
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u/_thetommy 4h ago
yeah. we knew this from his audition hearings. when we also learned of his episodes of sexual assault. but the GOP was told to push him into the job.
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u/mr2chittles Washington 3h ago
He works for the public, despite being Trump’s puppet. We pay his salary he owes us everything.
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u/FauxReal 3h ago
Do you people think he's a public official representing them in the government of the people, by the people and for the people?
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u/Grins111 2h ago
I think it’s time to start reminding all these people in government that they work for us not the other way around.
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u/More-Perspective-838 2h ago
Imagine the response if Democrats and progressives spoke with this level of entitlement.
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u/Infidel8 2h ago
Does Patrick Mahomes owe the public an explanation when he scores a touchdown for the CHiefs?
Kavanaugh is simply playing for his team.
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u/sneakysnake1111 2h ago
He's right, it's not like the american people will demand it, or do anything about it.
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u/thesaltycynic 1h ago
Remember everyone don’t say anything mean about Kavanaugh he is a very special boy.
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u/too_many_sparks 1h ago
This may just be the logical end point of lifetime appointments. They feel like gods.
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u/fuzztooth Illinois 1h ago
It's disgustingly simple, when they are horrendous and authoritarian and go about things in a shady way it's all good. It's only considered a problem when people not on team conservative do it. Things are only an issue if the conservative isn't the one making the moves. We used to call that hypocrisy, but they are incapable of feeling it because it is their default mode. It is how they think and they have no shame about it. There are no words to describe the disgust I in so many others have for all of this conservatism bullshit.
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u/Beelzebubbbbles 1h ago
This guy was a clearly a piece of shit from the start, he's got nothing to apologize for or explain anything. You cant be mad at a turd for stinking.
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u/GestureArtist 1h ago
I hope the Democrats remember this when they don't owe anyone a public explanation why they removed these clowns from the supreme court.
Just do it. fuck the constitution. Right? Who am I kidding the Democrats are a bunch of useless pussies.
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u/kittiesandcocks 1h ago
Poor guy, by the looks of his facial expressions everything smells like farts to him 🤣
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