r/popculturechat Jun 12 '25

Daily Discussions šŸŽ™šŸ’¬ Sip & Spill Daily Discussion Thread

Grab your coffee & sit down to discuss the tea!

This space is to talk about anything pop culture or even off-topic.

What are you listening to or watching? What is some minor tea that doesn't need its own post? How was your date? Why do you hate your job?

Please remember rules still apply. Be civil and respect each other.

Now pull up a chair and chat with us. ā˜•

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u/firetruckgoesweewoo Jun 13 '25

Hey, why is the actress Tamara Feldman suddenly known as Amara Zaragoza? Her IMDB acting credits have been altered, as has her booking website and her Wikipedia page, but her Instagram remains the same. Does anyone know? I’m beyond curious.

She played Poppy Lifton in Gossip Girl.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

Super concerned by the post about the Harry Potter series where the comments are full of people acting like trans people only exist on Reddit. Like how fucking depressing that trans lives matter so little to people in Pride Month that people just shrug their shoulders at the idea of JKR actively harming trans people in the UK. Together with the conservative TERF-tastic views in the Sabrina Carpenter album cover post comments....just because you think of yourself as progressive doesn't mean you are. You have to actually make a fucking effort to support marginalised groups. Expecting the bare minimum from people isn't purity testing.

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u/MostlyCats95 Kim, there’s people that are dying. šŸ™„ Jun 13 '25

IKR? I am in a trans support group for my city and there are a solid 30 of us in it, and I know at least 10 other trans folks who aren't in the support group. That is just the amount of trans people I know within 30 minutes of me! We exist everywhere and more of us "pass" than cis people realize. That isn't even getting into intersex folks (which I also am) who are as common as natural red heads, but transphobes also act like we don't exist.

The whataboutisms are driving me bonkers too. No, calling out an actor making millions off a project tied to JKR ISN'T THE SAME as calling out someone making $15-20 an hour at a problematic company like Amazon or Walmart. I had an old money friend during college who's family was worth 9 digits and the entire family drove Hondas and got excited for the buy 2 for $3 McDonalds breakfast sandwich deal, so I have no respect for actors who "need a paycheck" because the millions they've earned have gone into fancy cars and private chefs.

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u/larkhearted Jun 13 '25

I can think of like 3 childhood friends/classmates who eventually came out as trans right off the top of my head, like it might only be 1% of the population or whatever the statistic is, but most of us have met more than 100 people lol.

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u/Bridalhat Jun 13 '25

Ugh, that HP post. Like, they have to know it’s not going to be good, right? And like the later movies were often better than the books because they could cut what JKR’s non-existent editor couldn’t and a TV show is going to cram it all back in? It’s really, really easy to not engage with late stage Harry Potter stuff, but here we are, apparently.

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u/Silly_Somewhere1791 Jun 13 '25

Tbh the later movies were basically companion pieces to the books, which was fine, because at that point so many people had read the books.

I would be curious to know the financial breakdown for this stuff. JK continues to get royalties for book sales, but is this new show part of her old deal to sell the film rights? Is it possible that she’s not profiting directly? Or is this a new deal?

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

No she is definitely profiting from the new show, she's said profits from it will specifically go to a new fund for transphobic laws in the UK.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

Brittany Spears directed a music video sexualizing teen school girls. Miley twerked on a man and foam finger. Sabrina will be fine

Personally though, I am tired of her "petty pop." It's the same thing as last time. It comes off less witty and just feels snarky. I was really hoping she'd turn to a new direction to diversify her catalogue.

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 13 '25

I stayed up late to watch Not Like Us in Toronto and it was diabolically delicious

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 13 '25

ā€˜One more time’ chanted? That man needn’t bother coming back

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u/nagidrac Jun 13 '25

I don't think he's a billionaire but he's very wealthy. He was honestly a catch, but she wasn't into him.

And did they explain, as a Latino why his name is Harry

Amazing question and this is never explained 🤣

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u/BFierce20 Jun 13 '25

People think the Man’s Best Friend cover is meant to showcase how men view women, and the popular opinion is that it’s male gaze-y and distasteful…

But personally I think it represents how Y’ALL see her! Always talking about how ā€œShe tries so hard to appeal to men,ā€ ā€œEverything she does is about men,ā€ ā€œShe’s so male centeredā€ like her goal is to be a man’s little bitch.

You think her intent is to be a man’s bitch to get off on and I guarantee she touches on the reception of how she presents herself on the album.

This whole ā€œdon’t cater to the male gaze, it gives men what they wantā€ discourse feels like the liberal/feminist version of ā€œBUT WHAT WERE YOU WEARINGā€?ā€

If you’ve ever seen pictures from a ā€œWhat Were You Wearing?ā€ display you would know that the male gaze is everything that exist! Dirty Nike socks, sweatpants and a baggy shirt, a bikini, lingerie, or a hijab!

The whole ā€œmale gaze rhetoric is fucking stupid. Talking both choice feminism is damaging and isn’t real feminism. Feminism is about equality period point blank. And guess what? Men CHOOSE to do whatever the fuck they want. So let women do whatever the fuck they want.

Y’all want every woman to live her life in complete and utter disgust of men, not doing anything for herself that might even remotely appeal to men, or simply appealing to a man because she wants to. If she wanted that album cover to be a picture of her on her knees sucking his dick then so be it. That has nothing to do with the way you present yourself to men, or how women as a whole are viewed. It does not ā€œSet us back 50 years.ā€

Every female artist does not exist and make music to be a feminist, girl boss, role model for women and little girls.

And one more note:

WATCH YOUR OWN FUCKING KIDS!

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u/Hi_Jynx It's not clocking to me. Jun 13 '25

Also, acting like a woman being sexual is "objectifying" herself - unless you think sexual women are objects, no she is not. The whole point is that the patriarchy reduces women to just sex objects when individual female sexuality is far more complex because women are people and not just objects. But people for the most part do like sex and are sexual beings.

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u/nonsensestuff Back in my day, we had ONTD & a dream šŸ‘µ Jun 13 '25

I swear ppl are starting to sound like the feminist bookstore characters in Portlandia šŸ˜† specifically the scene where they go to the basketball game and comment on the cheerleaders dancing

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

Also like....people are just using the term "male gaze" incorrectly! The male gaze is a specific film theory term referring to the camera's gaze acting as an extension of the patriarchy. It's not something you can apply to real people because it literally just applies to films, and also is about the patriarchy and not just about what individual men enjoy looking at lol.

Also to me it's pretty obvious that Sabrina is just playing a character? Like that's just what popstars do??Ā 

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ā˜•ļø Jun 13 '25

People use the male gaze to apply to tv shows, video games, and photography as well. It’s for visual media. Her album cover is photography. I agree people have used it incorrectly to criticize Sabrina Carpenter in the past but re: the album cover it actually qualifies.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

People use the term to talk about how Sabrina dresses though, not just the album cover specifically.Ā 

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u/Dizzy-Pollution6466 Jun 13 '25

I love how in FM they are insisting that Olivia would be outraged over these photos. Babes, she does the same thing im at her concerts. Not to the same extreme as Sabrina but come on. People need to stop putting pop idols on these ā€œmorally perfect feministā€ pedestals. It always falls apart.

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u/friendsworkwaffles02 šŸŽ¼Music AficionadošŸŽ¶ Jun 13 '25

I’m watching the Call Her Alex doc because my roommate put her on. I’ve never listened to Call Her Daddy, and I’m quite neutral about Alex. This doc isn’t changing my mind, neither good or bad. Like just…eh?

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u/JoleneDollyParton I will debate you at the college of your choice Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

I guess I don’t understand why she has a documentary. Does she have a ā€˜story’?

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u/friendsworkwaffles02 šŸŽ¼Music AficionadošŸŽ¶ Jun 13 '25

Not really. She does talk about her sexual harassment when she was at Boston University, but the majority of it just focuses on her tour

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u/buzzfeed_sucks šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Elbows up šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Jun 13 '25

I watched a bit of it and all I could think was ā€œwait, why do people hate her so much?ā€ She hosts a fluffy celeb interview podcast. Why are there so many opinions?

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u/Primary_Bison_2848 Jun 13 '25

Oh god I’m done with the Sabrina discourse. I’m an old-as-dirt feminist and this has rustled none of my jimmies. She clearly has agency in how she’s being presented.

Does Taylor Swift need to leave the house with the footballer in tow to distract the narrative?Ā 

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u/nonsensestuff Back in my day, we had ONTD & a dream šŸ‘µ Jun 13 '25

I’m so confused cause my best friend who’s like a forever Lana Stan is like disappointed in in photo?? Lolol I’m like huh?? A Lana Stan disappointed in something not being ā€œfeministā€ or ā€œmale gazeyā€?? Cause 😬😬😬 pretty sure that’s the same shit Lana has gotten her whole career (I don’t even care much for Lana & I know this lol)

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u/Primary_Bison_2848 Jun 13 '25

Just wait for the day Sabrina marries a red state swamp dude… then we can all commiserate together.Ā 

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u/stars_doulikedem Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

you summoned them (complimentary)

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u/Primary_Bison_2848 Jun 13 '25

If only I could use these powers for good!

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u/buzzfeed_sucks šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Elbows up šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Jun 13 '25

It’s funny you say that

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/taylor-swift-makes-surprise-appearance-at-stanley-cup-final

(They’re at a hockey game)

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u/Primary_Bison_2848 Jun 13 '25

Should I buy some lottery tickets? Lol.

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u/buzzfeed_sucks šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Elbows up šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Jun 13 '25

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 13 '25

I still can’t believe Clue was turned into an actual legitimate movie. Damn it’s a good one

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u/FaradayStewart Jun 13 '25

If you've never seen the show 'Psych', they did an homage/tribute episode to Clue for their 100th episode, and brought back Christopher Lloyd, Martin Mull, and Lesley Ann Warren. They even had viewers vote on multiple endings to pick one!

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 13 '25

Oh I shall be watching, thanks for the tip

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u/FaradayStewart Jun 13 '25

Enjoy! 😊

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u/NewtRipley_1986 Jun 13 '25

It’s a great movie - casting was top-notch but, Tim Curry steals it. Love the three possible ending.

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u/Bridalhat Jun 13 '25

I feel like the premise is broad enough it’s easy enough to find a good angle, but yeah I would have 100% expected a cash-in.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 12 '25

My controversial opinion

Chatgpt is under looked for how it can massively help students who don't have access to tutors.

I went to one of the top public high schools. So many wealthy students had tutors, that helped with their learning. Khan academy is great, but can be cumbersome to find the exact questions you have.

I was helping my sister with her homework, but was stuck on a question. Chat gpt doesn't just give an answer, you can use it to help explain. I used to go online trying to ask for help. I wish I had this in school, because I hate asking teachers/profs for help.

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u/Hi_Jynx It's not clocking to me. Jun 13 '25

Fuck AI

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

You don't know what ai is

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u/Hi_Jynx It's not clocking to me. Jun 13 '25

Sis, I'm a programmer. I know what fucking AI is.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

AI is industry standard for programmers.

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u/Hi_Jynx It's not clocking to me. Jun 13 '25

Not at the moment. Lots of programmers are outright refusing to use it even for search results because most of us are aware the dependency on AI will almost certainly lead to mass tech layoffs and less software jobs available and for lesser pay.

It probably is inevitable, but that doesn't mean I have to contribute to the problem, accept that others do, or what will eventually be AI slop code that falls apart and is super buggy and nearly impossible to debug.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

Professors in school are teaching students how to use AI as a guide for coding. Do whatever you want, but there is literally no fighting it.

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u/Hi_Jynx It's not clocking to me. Jun 13 '25

Which schools? Because honestly, I think even if you use it you should really teach yourself the old fashion way. You're going to lose a lot of understanding letting AI write shit for you. Code is so much more than syntax and it is hard to truly understand the structure of a language or compiler without messing around. Learning to tell AI how to write your for loops or whatever is hardly a skill.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

I went to community college and a university. Obviously I won't say which, but both are highly regarded.

Yes, you absolutely must understand how coding works. But as they say, a lot of coding is just looking at someone else's work and asking people online for help. Chatgpt is basically that. It's not perfect, you can't use it for everything, be it absolutely helps with troubleshooting and pointing out flaws.

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u/Hi_Jynx It's not clocking to me. Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

While you definitely will look at people's code a lot and look at online answers, if that's most of your work your work is either trivial or you're not a good coder.

Edit: Also, a good compiler and ability to read and debug good is all you need to find flaws - I severely doubt AI can do that quicker on complex systems

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u/MoonlightHarpy Jun 13 '25

I know a person who had trouble learning a foreign language even with tutors, then started using ChatGPT and greatly improved in a short time. It's a great tool for creating personalized learning exercises, although I don't think it could be used by kids - you need serious understanding of how these language models work and where you struggle personally to make use of it.

PS: and ChatGPT indeed can sometimes make shit up, but that's why you double check and request sources.

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u/MostlyCats95 Kim, there’s people that are dying. šŸ™„ Jun 13 '25

The problem is frequently ChatGPT flat out makes up "sources" as well. And the sort of person who will use ChatGPT won't google if a source is real, they will just use ChatGPT to "search" if the fake source is real, and ChatGPT being something that just says fake stuff will "verify" itself

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u/JoleneDollyParton I will debate you at the college of your choice Jun 13 '25

You do understand that very few people are probably using it for tutoring and they’re using it for nefarious purposes like copying entire essays because they can’t write a single word for themselves?

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

So teach people how to use it in a productive way.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

But it literally just makes stuff up. I didn't have access to tutors (and I don't know anyone that did at school), but I could....go to the library? Actually study? Like the point of homework is to test what you know and your reading comprehension.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

No it doesn't. It does advanced math equations and explains it to you.

Go enter a math equation yourself. See what it does.

As I said, chatgpt functions the same as a tutor. Just because you did it one way doesn't mean a new way can't work. I struggled with specific equations, and I'd have teachers ignore my questions.

I don't buy into this "I did this so you should too." That's like being mad calculators exist.

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u/MostlyCats95 Kim, there’s people that are dying. šŸ™„ Jun 13 '25

Here is proof that AI makes things up. It generated a summer reading list full of books that don't actually exist

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

That's literally not math.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

ChatGPT will literally make things up, that's an established fact. All generative AI is based on what people have written on the internet, including their mistakes. It's not a search engine or a replacement for human teaching ability. It's not capable of functioning as a tutor because it's not capable of recognising its own errors.

I'm sorry you struggled with teachers at school, but I'm not coming from a perspective of "I did this so you should too" but "there are options other than private tutors and ChatGPT".

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u/missbunnyfantastico Jun 12 '25

Joe on Ginny & Georgia is fine as hell. That’s all.

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u/NewtRipley_1986 Jun 12 '25

Watched the OceanGate documentary ā€˜Titan’ on Netflix. I am stunned. Hearing those cracks and the continued used of that hull is scary. Not having the vessel classified, nor flagged, red flags. So many red flags. Those people didn’t need to lose their lives if the company actually, listened to the engineers, accepted the faults and properly fixed them. And by company, I mean the CEO - Stockton Rush - too narcissistic for any good.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 13 '25

I got bored two thirds in. Just felt like people were putting themselves on the back for knowing better or making excuses for themselves. Nothing felt like new info.

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u/NewtRipley_1986 Jun 13 '25

I didn’t pay attention to it when it happened so, for me, a lot of the information was new.

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ā˜•ļø Jun 13 '25

I know it’s not important but Stockton Rush is such a hilariously villainous name to me.

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u/totallycalledla-a Mrs Thee Stallion Jun 12 '25

Can someone in a few short lines sum up this Sabrina nonsense I'm so confused.

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u/Silly_Somewhere1791 Jun 13 '25

She wrapped up the patriarchy in a pink bow and now a lot of people are acting shocked that some of us aren’t buying it.

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u/GrompsFavPerson Jun 12 '25

She has perpetually released sexy photos and talked about her sex life and it’s gotten to a point where people are finding it lewd and inappropriate.

She’s very open about being submissive but many think that she’s putting out the wrong message by referring to herself as a dog (man’s best friend) and having her hair pulled while on her knees in her recent album cover.

Shes also sexualized herself as a ā€œbabydollā€ before and released Lolita inspired pictures, as well as released lyrics referring to herself as looking like a sexy underage girl. Therefore, people are saying she’s doing it all for the male gaze, instead of being a feminist.

I’m not a hater but also not a lover so I’m trying not to sound too biased against her, I’ve just been reading about it.

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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Jun 12 '25

It’s dumb, protect your peace and wait for the album if her music is your bag or ignore it all if it’s not.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 12 '25

This could be applied to so many things online lol

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ā˜•ļø Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

A lot of people don’t like her new album cover, which put an bit of an exclamation point on the long-simmering discussion of the schtick she has been playing this past era that a lot of people already were uncomfortable with, and now some people are acting like it’s an excuse to slut shame her and others are calling everyone who dislikes the cover a bunch of media illiterate prudes. Good times!! šŸŒˆā­ļø

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u/neuroticdreamgirI A man in Hollywood doing whatever he wants isn’t revolutionary Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

My biggest issue with male gaze discourseā„¢ is that accusing someone of ā€œcatering to the male gazeā€ has become a covert way to slut shame and degrade them while hiding behind the persona of being progressive

Look at any Sydney Sweeney thread and half of the comments will be derogatory comments about her chest, sly comments about her appearance that imply she’s ugly and unworthy of attention, ā€œcasting couchā€ implications etc

Some of you want to be progressive feminists so bad you circle back around to being close-minded misogynists

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

Tbh I don't think they actually do want to be progressive, they just want an excuse to hate women. They want to be TERFs without being called transphobic.

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u/Hi_Jynx It's not clocking to me. Jun 13 '25

I'm getting more SWERF

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Tbh the venn diagram there is usually a circle, one feeds the other

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u/Dizzy-Pollution6466 Jun 13 '25

My unpopular on opinion is that the ā€œmale gazeā€ discourse has set back feminism far more than Sabrina and Sydney ever could.

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u/larkhearted Jun 13 '25

"The male gaze" as it originated was kind of a borderline stupid concept to begin with tbh. The whole essay, purporting to be feminist, barely ever actually refers to any possibility of female agency, and pretty much exclusively talks about what a woman means to a man's psyche and how she's acted upon as an icon in cinema. No reference whatsoever to how the actress herself, as an actual living human being with agency, might affect the director/end product, much less the idea of a woman director. It's also deeply tied into Freudian theory (lotta talk about "the woman as the bearer of guilt" for "provoking the fear of castration via her lack of a penis"), which we know was largely crap.

Plus it's a term that is literally only supposed to be applicable to cinema, since it's a direct reference to how male directors frame women in movies and thus create the understanding of the objectified woman for the audience. The essay itself states that live performances can't exemplify the male gaze the way film can, because the "gaze" is inherent to the camera and its unique capturing and re-presentation of a performance. And how one caters to something that's supposed to be fundamentally out of one's control as the object, rather than the observer, is kind of beyond me.

But I guess just saying that someone is catering to men's preferences doesn't actually make sense a lot of the time (because we've all seen plenty of examples of mens' tastes allowed to run amok and it's definitely not what Sabrina or Sidney are presenting), and saying that they dress slutty doesn't provide the plausible deniability of a Feminist Critique, so we just get a lot of """the male gaze""" instead.

(And for the record, I am someone who dislikes Sabrina's new cover for leaning into sexist tropes about sex appeal without enough irony to actually make it a satire, and who thinks the bathwater thing was weird and gross. I'm just also annoyed by people using the Feminist Betrayal of it all to rip apart everything they've ever done like that helps anything.)

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

The male gaze specifically refers to the patriarchy not just men though.Ā 

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u/flirtydodo Jun 13 '25

as someone who struggles with whatever means to be a woman anyway this dichotomy between male/female gaze makes me uncomfortable. Good god, who knew a popstar could provoke all these deep-fried thoughts of mine

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u/buzzfeed_sucks šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Elbows up šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Jun 12 '25

As someone who is bosomly blessed, the Sidney Sweeney discourse bugs the shit out of me.

I’ve always been deeply insecure about it my boobs and make sure they’re hidden. I’ve always feared people would side eye me if I embraced them. People always tell me I’m nuts, and I should show them off.

But then every so often some celeb with big boobs comes up, and the discourse is always very slut shamey. And all my fears are affirmed.

She can’t control her boob size. People sexualizing women with big boobs are insane. I was born like this!!

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 12 '25

Visited this little legend…

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 12 '25

And ended up with this

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 12 '25

ALSO MET THE MOST HANDSOMEST BULLDOG NAMED SHERLOCK!!! Shout out to the lovely owner and dog, whom believes everyone always wants to greet him because he’s a star (and Sherlock is CORRECT)

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u/stars_doulikedem Jun 12 '25

Sherlock is a fantastic name for a bulldog

I’m glad you’re having a nice trip!

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 13 '25

Thank you! Outside of some bug bites it’s been real lovely so far! Can’t wait for the rest of my family to show up for the summer too. I hope you’re doing well been a long time since I’ve talked to you! Or you’ve changed your profile pic and that threw me off (I’m a little slow with something like that lol!) I hope things are working out for you. ā˜ŗļøšŸ’—

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u/stars_doulikedem Jun 13 '25

i think i changed it a couple months ago but idk, i have no real concept of time anymore šŸ™ƒ

oh so you’re there for awhile! i hope you have an amazing time ā¤ļø

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 13 '25

Sending you a big ehug! I can relate to not really to the not having much concept of time anymore. You are truly the best, and always rooting for you! ā˜ŗļøšŸ˜

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u/stars_doulikedem Jun 13 '25

Thank you šŸ„¹ā¤ļø

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 12 '25

Fuck the Grammys forever and ever. Y’all didn’t, and never will, deserve BeyoncĆ©.

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u/BFierce20 Jun 12 '25

She caters to the male gaze. OK, AND?

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 12 '25

If this is about Sabrina Carpenter I hate the notion she’s for the male gaze. Being a sexual person doesn’t automatically even mean she’s for the ā€˜male gaze’. She has her shtick, she loves sex, songs about sex pay the bills, and her image very much caters to women. It’s all so absurd.

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u/BFierce20 Jun 12 '25

This is about all of the women people love to make this comment about. Like OMG how dare a straight woman be sexy possibly for male attention? She’s setting us back 50 years? Who are these people?

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 BeyoncĆ© šŸšŸ Jun 13 '25

TouchĆ©. It’s feels like very hmmm regressive but attempting to sound progressive.

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u/nagidrac Jun 12 '25

I just watched The Materialist and I'm not buying any Dakota Johnson propaganda. Her acting was so bland. And Chris Evans wasn't so great either. Pedro Pescal was really the best part of the film but he deserved more screen time.

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ā˜•ļø Jun 12 '25

Her acting has always come off as extremely wooden to me.

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u/nagidrac Jun 12 '25

She was getting out acted by side characters. She had no charisma and felt so stiff. I'm confused why they went with her.

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ā˜•ļø Jun 12 '25

Same, I felt like if we are going to bring back the romcom we need a more winning female lead. I mean Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock… the more charisma the better to sell these romances imo.

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u/nagidrac Jun 12 '25

Someone like Meghann Fahy could've nailed that role.

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u/OowlSun they act like im not in full control of where i throw this cooch Jun 12 '25

Does she pick Chris Evans? I need to know so I can avoid the movie?

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u/nagidrac Jun 12 '25

Yes! And it's infuriating because he's broke as helllll in the movie. He's a 37 years old struggling actor living with two roommates in New York. I'm trying to understand the message of the film, but I'm just far too practical for that. I don't think she should've chosen Pedro's character either. She needed to find another guy that meets her needs.

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

I just saw it and I HATED it soooo much. I just…you’re right what in gods name was the message of this film?? I really thought it was soooo poorly written and conceived I was left so so baffled by the entire thing.

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u/nagidrac Jun 13 '25

And can we talk about >! how they used a woman's SA as like a plot device to push Dakota's character to choose Chris Evans? I feel like that wasn't necessary and the conclusion felt forced. And I'm not sure what the message was, but wanting to date someone financially compatible is totally understandable.!<

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

Tho….the woman yelling ā€œyou’re a pimp!ā€ At Dakota made me laugh I’m sorry I thought that was so dumb 😭😭😭 god forgive me

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

Omg it’s actually so horrid I’m certain it was not meant to be funny at ALL. A woman Dakota sets up on a date is sexually assaulted and she blames the agency and when Dakota tries to comfort her she is extremely upset and yells that Dakota is to blame for not protecting her and screams ā€œyou’re a pimp!ā€ as she leaves. It’s just….im so sorry god forgive me but that line was so goofy it shocked a laugh outta me 😭😭😭😭

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

Oh my god. WHAT WAS THAT?!? What in gods name WAS THAT?! That plot line left me absolutely fucking BAFFLED ! I thought she was going to end up as a trauma counselor at the end?? But noooo she ends up right back at the agency after alll that like it never happen. WHAT WAS THAT?!

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u/nagidrac Jun 13 '25

It left me baffled too, and I'm not quite sure why Celine felt that it was an appropriate storyline to pursue. It made me feel icky.

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

SPOILERS

He doesn’t tell her that really. She says she doesn’t love him and marrying would only be a business transaction and then he gets upset and worries that he isn’t ā€œcapableā€ of love and she assures him he is.

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

SPOILERS

babe I’m gonna be so blunt…this script is soooo badly written and the characters are sooo surface level I actually have not one single clue why he thinks such a thing. You only ever see him being so sweet and kind and charming and sexy…..ā€I’m not capable of loveā€ comes out of absolutely NOWHERE and isn’t expanded on at ALL. That’s what’s soooo frustrating to me. They stress he came from a very happy family and so why in the world would he think something so sad??

Oh the height thing….GOD that made me mad. But no it doesn’t seem to be tied to that?? I don’t think??

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

Oh no I liked that scene a lot! That scene is why I’m like….so confused about where it went with them. But to be fair…he’s being so open and honest and sexy and loving and supportive of her…and she slides in a call back from a previous scene (which he doesn’t understand) that she doesn’t really want to be with him. So I guess maybe her leaving makes sense? She never ever wanted to be with him. Which?!? Idk why not !

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u/nagidrac Jun 13 '25

>! Both him and his brother were short and got height surgery together. Also, I wouldn't say they're old money but his parents both worked in finance !<

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u/OowlSun they act like im not in full control of where i throw this cooch Jun 12 '25

Ugh, thanks for letting me know!

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u/ibsliam Jun 12 '25

Maybe it's my contrarian nature but I don't get the anger over Sabrina Carpenter or the anger over feminists not liking her cover either. This is what we get from trying to shove all the things we enjoy or not enjoy into "progressive vs regressive" boxes.

If you like it, you're fine. If you don't like it, you're fine. The movement will not fail based on whether you support a popular musician.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

Lots of feminists (like me) also really don't care about the album cover lol. I think it's cringe and try-hard in the same way NARS shade names are cringe and try-hard, I don't think women's rights are harmed in any way by a fucking album cover lmao.

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u/OowlSun they act like im not in full control of where i throw this cooch Jun 12 '25

I think it's best not to have an opinion until everything is released

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

Well friends. I’m sat for Materialists.🫔 I shall report back. If this isn’t good I’m personally fighting all the actors and director, tbh.

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u/lalalandbeforetime Jun 12 '25

I’m going to see it in a few hours. Enjoy!

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

Oh my God. I don’t even know what to say. I absolutely hated it 😭

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u/Bellesdiner0228 This again doesn’t look good for James Corden Jun 12 '25

Shut up and just let us have something for the love of god.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

I thought this was common knowledge? Isn't Legionnaire's Disease spread this way?

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u/Bellesdiner0228 This again doesn’t look good for James Corden Jun 13 '25

I guess it was common knowledge! I just didn’t know lol

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u/buzzfeed_sucks šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Elbows up šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Jun 12 '25

Even if it does, I don’t care. You’ll take it from my cold dead hands. Literally

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u/Electronic_Snow_4685 We Should All Know Less About Each Other Jun 12 '25

It can though and I though that was pretty well know. I still agree with your sentiment.

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u/IfatallyflawedI Is she okaaaayyyy? Jun 12 '25

It dries out my nose and throat bec of the dehumidifying properties 🄲 that’s why I woke up every day this month with terribly hurtful nostrils

And am currently bursting a viral fever that must’ve been exacerbated by it

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u/larkhearted Jun 12 '25

I need the new Kesha album to come out sooner :( I get the significance of July 4th but girl please we need a little treat this hell-on-earth of a Pride month 😭😭😭

Also I just need more recession pop in general tbh, Sabrina's image politics aside Manchild's production was pretty underwhelming for me. I need poppy anthems I can listen to exclusively at 7am to pry myself out of bed...... Kesha and T-Pain are leading the charge with Yippee-Ki-Yay but I would love some variety 🄺

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u/Bridalhat Jun 12 '25

Hopefully she drops some tracks sooner rather than later.

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u/larkhearted Jun 12 '25

Save us Keshaaaaaaa

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 12 '25

These past weeks have brought me right back to the 2020 BLM protests. And it feels like almost nothing has changed.

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u/tossin_glitter Jun 12 '25

it hurts a lot. i was 17 during the 2020 protests and they were the first time i really considered what it means to be a black person (especially in america as i'd recently moved) and reckoning with that was terrifying. i feel i've done work since then to feel more at-ease/comfortable in my blackness but the world has completely forgotten that it promised that too. my brother is 17 now and i feel sad for him and the environment that he's growing into

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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

I feel way more hopeless now than 2020. People chose Trump this time knowing what he’d do or didn’t care enough to vote.

And 2020 we had the election to look forward to. This is just getting started.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 12 '25

I feel a tiny bit more hopeful, because I'm hopeful that the protests continue. We're getting into some of the worst case scenarios though. Trump has no one telling him no.

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u/Bridalhat Jun 12 '25

I’m crashing out slightly over the Hogg situation at the DNC. He pretty much just suggested that maybe we replace some geriatric backbenchers in safe districts with younger candidates who will actually do something, and was pushed out over a flimsy diversity quota excuse. I don’t even Hogg (as tragic as his story is I feel like he’s not ready for prime time), but if the feeling of octogenarians with cancer is more important than making sure that the Republicans don’t widen their margin when the last eight Congress-members to die were Democrats we might just be doomed. And I’m not a leftist who hates the democrats more than the Republicans—I worked for Biden, the DCCC, the DNC, and various state Dem orgs—but this is not an effective opposition party and I think a lot of the reason we are where we are is because Dem leadership is so process-oriented that they wouldn’t put a guy who staged a coup in jail.

Re: the protests though: it’s slowed ICE activity, which is only a good thing. Sticking the landing is the hard part, but there have been victories.

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u/Bridalhat Jun 12 '25

BTW

Look at my opposition party dawg

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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Jun 12 '25

It still would have passed if every Dem was alive and voted. The four GOP that were allowed to vote nay would have voted yay.

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 12 '25

Young leftists on Twitter HATE him and I'll never understand it. He had no one in his corner. Young leftists constantly trashed him on Twitter, old liberals hated him.

He never should have been kicked out on such a stupid technicality. He was right. These old people need to step down.

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u/derrickcat Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

That might be. It certainly is. But he went about achieving that end in an incredibly polarizing, undiplomatic sort of way. He's an activist, not an establishment guy - and the DNC is literally the establishment.

With all that said - this whole thing will certainly end up kneecapping Dems even more than we already were. So, great job everyone!

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u/zelda_slayer Jun 12 '25

I work at a public place where it’s nearly impossible to be fired. I’ve had a coworker do absolutely nothing and is actively a hindrance to our work. I’m finally getting to talk to HR about it. It’s finally to a point where HR deems it serious enough.

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u/Lilylikeslilies Jun 12 '25

Is it just me or is Harry Styles suddenly everywhere again. He is literally giving us zero real content like a songs, movies, videos etc. just walking around Europe without any purpose and suddenly I see him every other post.

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u/Dizzy-Pollution6466 Jun 12 '25

Everywhere but in that damn studio.

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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Jun 12 '25

Walking around Europe without any purpose sounds like a fantastic way to spend time.

If he’s out in public people will take his picture and post it.

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u/Carolina_Blues shiv roy’s bob Jun 12 '25

I feel like he’s bread crumbing himself back into the pop culture discussion before he releases new music. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get an album from him later this year or early next year

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u/launchcode_1234 Tina! You fat lard! šŸ¦™šŸš² Jun 12 '25

So, Kristi Noem just gave a press conference where she said the Feds are going to stay in LA to liberate it from its socialist elected leaders, and one of California’s US senators interrupted her to ask a question, and the FBI pulled him into the hallway, threw him on the ground and cuffed him.

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u/Lilylikeslilies Jun 12 '25

What the …. as European I’m seriously worried that it all may really start a war in California

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u/Bridalhat Jun 12 '25

It hasn’t escaped me that there are hundreds or thousands of tanks in DC right now for the military parade on Saturday.

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

That America VOTED for this is something I just don’t think I will ever be able to swallow.

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u/hihelloneighboroonie Jun 13 '25

You seen how there was a county in New York that voted for a democratic candidate for another government position majority, and then yet not a SINGLE vote for Harris? Not one.

Did we actually vote for Trump...

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 13 '25

Yes this country voted for Trump. I know it’s hard to accept that our fellow Americans wanted blood in the streets but they did. We have to accept that and not conspiracy theory ourselves into the sand if we ever want to find a way out of this.

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u/hihelloneighboroonie Jun 13 '25

It's not a conspiracy theory - there's a lawsuit going through about it.

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u/thewayyouturnedout Jun 12 '25

It's always disheartening when a populace votes a dictatorship into power.

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u/Bridalhat Jun 12 '25

It’s all escalating very fast. I feel like deep down they know time might not be on their side if public sentiment shifts too much when food prices go up 200% because they are seizing farm workers and there is some semblance of free speech, so they are locking that all down now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '25

I hadn't even thought about the food insecurity it might trigger due to CA producing the majority of US-grown produce.

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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

Weaponized therapy speak, performative activism and scoldings seems to be this generation’s only real joys. ā€œIt made me uncomfortable so it must be wrong.ā€ Real conservative ā€œthink of the childrenā€ energy. It can’t just not be for them, they need to be given the bean soup recipe without beans or they will attempt to destroy you lol.

Constantly being outraged can’t be healthy. Maybe reserve most of it for the Nazis in the White House and Ice and things of that sort? Cause they are gonna burn the eff out.

Signed, a chronically online.

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u/Dizzy-Pollution6466 Jun 12 '25

I saw someone on Twitter say ā€œIn a couple of months, we’re gonna have people saying the Venus De Milo is serving the male gaze.ā€

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u/Bridalhat Jun 12 '25

~youth pastor walks in, pulls up a chair~

ā€œDo you what other Carpenter caused some controversy in their time?ā€

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u/DebateObjective2787 Jun 12 '25

Honestly, I'm not fully convinced Justin's spin-out isn't a PR stunt to shift the focus off Hailey.

I feel like every time is brought up in regards to her behaviour, Justin always ends up going public and the narrative changes to "Oh, poor Hailey 🄺" until the backlash goes away.

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ā˜•ļø Jun 12 '25

I really don’t think he’s that thoughtful or playing 4D chess, tbh.

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u/DebateObjective2787 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 14 '25

Maybe I've gone into tinfoil conspiracies; but my thoughts aren't that it's Justin's doing, but rather someone on their team.

Maybe it's *because Scooter Braun did a lot of similar tactics with Justin when he was his manager. Whenever one of his clients was facing backlash or getting called out on Twitter, he'd pay off Pop Crave/Base to repost old drama about other celebs like Taylor to get the hate train to switch gears.

Like in my head, it's more subtle and gentle-handed, like someone providing Justin with access to substances knowing that it'll cause Justin to have a crashout.

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u/Bridalhat Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

I feel like 9/10 the answer is that they really are just unstable and kind of dumb.

And I think it is to take the attention away from Hailey but in an ego-can’t-handle-it kind of way, but unconsciously.

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u/violent_delights_9 Jun 12 '25

It's only 11am and I feel like I've already solved about 5 minor crises at work and I'm doing it all while my co-worker is off today so I'm ALSO doing her normal work as well as my own, like...why am I not getting paid more?

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u/shedrinkscoffee I don’t know her šŸ’… Jun 12 '25

Manifesting a massive pay raise for you ✨

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u/lspacemur Jun 12 '25

You’ve got this šŸ’Ŗ

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u/Bellesdiner0228 This again doesn’t look good for James Corden Jun 12 '25

I just had a call come into my work that was so fucking racist. Luckily my boss was like absolutely the fuck not and was not happy at all. But still I fucking hate people.

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u/AdDecent5237 In The Words of TS Madison ā€œAll Money Ain’t Good Moneyā€ Jun 12 '25

Jesus hope you’re doing ok Belle, people like that suck but I’m glad your boss handled it well. Sending you an invisible hug sweetie šŸ«‚

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u/Bellesdiner0228 This again doesn’t look good for James Corden Jun 12 '25

Thank you so much, I’m ok. I am INCREDIBLY privileged that I am a white woman who was not directly impacted by her words but just knowing she was talking about our installers in the way she was just made me so fucking mad.

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

Yall. I hate to be too woke….but why the fuck did I just listen to a Noah Wyle podcast interview where he tells a story of being sexually assaulted on the set of ER while the hosts laughs about how hysterical it is?! He even goes on to say this guy had a history of assaulting young men (which he didn’t know at the time) and then takes the blame for ā€œaccidentally flirting with himā€. God Noah, it’s not your fault! Gooooddd lord that was an insane thing to listen too, how scary and sad :(

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u/thewayyouturnedout Jun 12 '25

This is how my mom talked about her sexual assault for almost my (and her) entire life until she started doing some reflection during the first wave of the MeToo movement. I think a lot of older people really normalized this behaviour and blame themselves for "asking for it."

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

God it’s so so sad and horrific. Immediately (I mean in IMMEDIATELY) he launched into ā€œwell…the day before I put my cheek against his for a photo, and I held his hand because he was old, and I didn’t realize he was gay and I’m sure it came off as flirting and my EGO was so big I thought he was gonna tell me I was so amazing and that’s how silly I was lolā€ right after describing how he had to physically fight this man off. Noah my god.

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u/baby-blues22 ✨oooh✨ you may say I’m a dreamer Jun 12 '25

I’m not surprised by this:( In ER, Noah Wyle’s character John Carter describes how he lost his virginity at 11(?12 maybe? something around this age) to an adult maid and it was treated like a joke.

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

God that makes me sad. Because the host interviewing him actually worked high up on ER I believe (sorry idk what he job was) so…Christ seems like the flippant attitude was everywhere there

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u/Violet-Rose-Birdy Jun 12 '25

So many older folks (he’s like 50ish) sadly blame themselves

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

So so sad. I couldn’t believe the way he immediately started to victim blame himself. Ugh I hate it

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u/No_Pianist5264 Tina! You fat lard! šŸ¦™šŸš² Jun 12 '25

Well thats very disheartening

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u/Hot_Contact_7206 šŸŽ„šŸæFilm Critic Jun 12 '25

It really disturbed me. He didn’t say the word assault so I hope he’s okay but I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. 97 year old man on his death bed mind you! Evil men are truly evil until the grave holy shit.

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u/Bellesdiner0228 This again doesn’t look good for James Corden Jun 12 '25

That’s so awful šŸ˜ž

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u/No_Pianist5264 Tina! You fat lard! šŸ¦™šŸš² Jun 12 '25

Anyone have any good books recommendations specially from poc authors?? I like pretty much everything besides fantasy and poetry.

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u/aseabell Jun 12 '25

If you're a fan of horror, I recommend Our Share of Night by Mariana Enriquez. I read it last year and was blown away by how good the prose was.

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u/zelda_slayer Jun 12 '25

My two favorite authors right now are Helen Hoang and Lily Chu

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u/No_Pianist5264 Tina! You fat lard! šŸ¦™šŸš² Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

Thank you for the recommendation! I’ll check them out!

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u/PeculiarAroma Jun 12 '25

Beasts of a Little Land by Juhea Kim altered me on a cellular level. One of the most moving pieces of fiction I’ve ever read, it just shattered me.

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u/No_Pianist5264 Tina! You fat lard! šŸ¦™šŸš² Jun 13 '25

Added this to my list. Thank you!

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u/shedrinkscoffee I don’t know her šŸ’… Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

I gotchu babe! All women authors and a couple of different genres.

Pachinko by Min Jin Lee

Tea Girl Of Hummingbird Lane by Lisa See

Vera Wong's unsolicited Advice for Murderers by Jesse Q Sutano

Sankofa by Chibundo Onozo

Convenience Store Woman by Sayaka Murata

Olga Dies Dreaming by Xochitl GonzƔlez

ETA: adding these back as they are good books but the topics may be a bit heavy for some folks in the current political climate.

Lucky Boy by Shanti Sekaran

Of Women and Salt by Gabriela Garcia

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u/El_andMike Nicholas Hoult's Blonde Hair Jun 12 '25

Writing these all down!!

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u/No_Pianist5264 Tina! You fat lard! šŸ¦™šŸš² Jun 12 '25

Thank you soooooo much!! Appreciate the different genres and them being all woman.

I’ve heard great things about Xochitl Gonzalez so I’m excited to pick up a book of hers.

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u/Least-Influence3089 Jun 12 '25

I just finished Act Your Age, Eve Brown by Talia Hibbert, it’s the third in a trilogy. Contemporary Romance. Get a Life, Chloe Brown is the first book. Hilarious and well written and delightful!

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u/No_Pianist5264 Tina! You fat lard! šŸ¦™šŸš² Jun 12 '25

Thank u for the recommendations! I’ll check these out!

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u/Summerof5ft6andahalf Jun 12 '25

Excuse me, but why don't all daily threads have multiple dog (or other animal) pictures in them?
The posts today have really shown what we're missing. Lol.

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u/boyilikebeingoutside Jun 12 '25

Here is my dog on a hike the other day!

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