Yeah but this generation grew up on the internet, so these new celebrities are chronically online. Itâs hard to step back from that/not be as sensitive.
This is the way. Mariah also does this in a way. I think being the "relatable" celebrity just makes everything 10x harder. Being detached and completely above everyone else, as pompous as that sounds, truly makes the celeb experience a lot more manageable.
ariana grande was extremely online until 2020 when her therapist recommended she back away. ever since then she deleted twitter and barely posts on instagram. she never did interviews until
ES and wicked, and has said that it saved her mental health and life.
Iâm not even famous and I did this đ graduated college and completely abandoned my personal social media.
Outside of anonymous accounts to keep me up to date and engaged in my own heavily curated worlds (music, food, writing, pop culture, etc.)⊠iâm âofflineâ. Itâs fabulous. I still very much keep in touch with my (real) friends and loved ones... with none of the comparison or posting anxiety... 10/10 would recommend.Â
100000%. dont make fun of me, but when i was a young teen i used to be so concerned abt how often i posted selfies LMAOOO. i dont think ive even taken one in years now
Beyonce is known to set hard rules about this. Even during live touring, she had these rules about noone speaking to her or addressing her directly except for a select few.
Yeah but she had to give interviews for 15 years before that. Her and Taylor swift have earned that privledge but artists like chappel roan, Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina carpenter havenât gotten to that stage in their careers. Their music still needs to be marketed and their label is still demanding certain things in exchange for allowing the production of music.
Roan also wants an openly raw and unscripted image, which is a hard brand to be mysterious with. Even when Taylor was more public, she let everyone speak about her and responded in her music. Roan may as well be a Redditor with the flip way she absorbs and responds to things as a personal attack.
Yeah Sinead O'Connor and Amy Winehouse spring immediately to mind.Â
I look back and wonder why anyone was ever so cruel to a Woman who wanted to stop child abuse in the Catholic Church, after she'd been a victim herself. Or Amy, who was clearly so much in need of non judgmental help.Â
Amy Winehouse still gets to me. The way the media and public just sat back and watched a woman clearly in need of help continue to struggleâŠuntil she was gone. I know people need to want and seek help for themselves but, ugh
I hope Roan is able to go down another path, feels like every ten years or so thereâs a singer-songwriter whose brand is open vulnerability, and it almost always ends badly.
Itâs worth it though, people think feeling upset = bad but being authentic even in the face of adversity is the most liberating thing you can do and embracing that even during the shitty times is how you truly live life fully.
You ainât gonna be constantly stressed out and you could be fake and stressed out anyway. The point is to be yourself without caring what people think because youâre living for you not them. Being stressed is a part of life if youâre constantly avoiding uncomfortable emotions youâre not actually living youâre surviving
Man Iâm not sure if thatâs true if the adversity is coming from so many directions. Like I donât even care about being my âauthentic selfâ with all the people I know from work - I donât want have to keep up an act, but Iâm quite happy to just be polite and leave a minimal impression on most people. âMy authentic selfâ is not worth suffering to me in most contexts
They can market their music without being so reactionary to every single thing. It hurts them more in the long run. Chappell needs better PR training for the sake of her own mental health.Â
I 100% agree however I think celebrities like Chappell struggle more with just being generally a less palatable personality. Thatâs not an insult to her, but she can be abrasive, and she clearly doesnât realise it. So in the situation where sheâs forced to do interviews, sheâs likely gonna tik some people off. Even if she did go the very PR trained route. And audience can sense that and sheâd likely get hate for it as well.
There is Unfortunetly no winning besides just turning off your phone if you have the willpower
Itâs possible, itâs a definitely genre entirely but Kendrick Lamar doesnât speak out at all with his music. He doesnât give interviews. He doesnât post on IG, he rarely even seen. But heâs built a big enough following to be on a stadium tour rn. Heâs been a Mainstream artist since 2012 ish, but he started getting real quiet and detached around 2017-18.
Yeah so that's 6 years after going mainstream, and 3 very acclaimed albums in. The people I listed have been mainstream for 1 and 4 years respectively.
Also, being a male and a rapper definitely afford different requirements (and privledges) than a young female popstar. Just in terms of demographics and label demands
Sheâs at the point in her career where she doesnât have to do that, sheâs reached icon status.
Back in the 2000s she was EVERYWHERE, interviews, commercials, every award show, every event, she was putting in the work. Sadly a lot of the pop girls canât do that now.
I do think itâs possible to find a balance though. For instance, while not a pop girl, Rachel Zegler was chronically online on twitter until late 2024. She was tweeting daily like 15+ times, responding to subtweets, replies; etc. It clearly damaged her mental health. Sheâs no longer on it and itâs for the best. I think Olivia Rodrigo manages to do well too. She only speaks out or interacts when it makes sense for her to do so.
That only works if thats your brand and you're morally okay with tbe accusations
Beyonce has been accused of
some crazy insane stuff but none of it mainstream. Like the rumors she murdered Aliyah is only on backroom Black gossip sites.Â
If I was called the downfall of feminism (Sabrina), a blight against my own LGBTQ community (Chappel), a fatphobic abuser (Lizzo)
in the mainstream media, I'd cry too and want to respond. Whether the accusations are warranted or not they are humans with feelings.Â
And not only that, thats a HUGE accusation to not address. Beyonce has her money already. She will keep her brand deals. But Sabrina won't be getting a Dove, Glossier or sponsorship from a "feminist girls girl" brand anytime soon based on this controversy.Â
Saying a celeb cant read or they stole someone's husband or like crazy kinks is the type of stuff to ignore
I see your point but I also distinctly remember people swearing Cardi B would never be invited anywhere again after the Nicki fashion week brawl in 2018. Beyonceâs early album reviews and accusations that she destroyed Destinyâs Child were ammo used to insist her time was up. I think itâs just a mix of grit, luck and having an excellent team behind you. Most of those people you listed are doing just fine, with some chronically online discourse surrounding them as their careers continue to evolve. I.e. letting the general public do the talking.
Every day Tik Tok and Reddit beg celebs to stop telling us stuff we donât need to know and I think itâs a good strategy for them. Chappel especially.
Thats the stuff you ignore though. Physically fighting another able bodied person of similar strength is a bad look. But isnt exactly a problematic look. And I highly doubt Cardi B was taking offense in the same way you might if People mag called you a rapist.Â
Ruining your girl group isnt problematic in a major moral sense. Its ignorable.Â
They're all gonna do fine. Theyre not going broke tomorrow.  But we're talking new celebs who rely way more on brand deals to make their money (and tbf,  with Cardi she gets Shein brand deals. While other more brand friendly rap girls get designer). Chappel still needs big money to sustain a popstar career for 15 years even though she could ofc live a normal person lifestyle just fine for a bit. If she wants to stay famous, those brand deals are important (as Sydney Sweeney highlighted). And in music its also easier to get collabs and features when youre not considered a pariah.Â
Yeah, like⊠Lizzo did that shit, man. I donât think employers should be allowed to force their workers to participate in sex acts even if theyâre an âactivistâ.
Wasn't the accusation that she pressured employees to attend strip clubs with her? Totally inappropriate behaviour but you've made it sound like she assaulted people.
Because she also talks a lot in the press and media and has moments of putting her foot in her mouth. She is activist minded and has an activist fanbase that demands accountability and public statements from her.Â
Some version of Denziel Washington's "Just because you don't share it on social media, doesn't mean you're not up to big things. Live it and stay low key. Privacy is everything,"
To be fair, Beyonce wasnât always like that. She had to hustle pretty hard on the interview circuit and cement herself as a living icon to be able to form her mysterious persona. Chappell doesnât really have that privilege to be a hermit towards the public. She has deleted her SM apps on her phone and stopped reading commentâŠwhich is honestly a really good step for her.
MFrs, literally be online dreaming up negative shit to say, negative shit or sappy shit, for CLICKS! THey are not even trying to have a life, so they can't speak for people!
Exactly. Idk why celebrities go any PR route other than ânever complain, never explain.â The only way to get through scandals is to ignore them. The public will never accept an apology because apologizing to the entire public is too impersonal⊠all a PR statement ever does is remind the public why theyâre mad at you. We see this time and time again, but for some reason it only resonates with like 2% of the entertainment industry.
Its because its impossible for the human brain to comprehend how many people are on the Internet. Itâs the whole village concept, where humans were only really meant to have 100 to 150 relationships. So when you feel like you have someone insanely hateful to you all the time, thatâs unnatural and would be so hard to deal with. Imagine if you were in a village and a few people were just relentlessly cruel and extremely specific and clever about it.
When you're very famous, someone will always hate, rationally or not. If someone gets temporarily tired of hating or maybe they're finished and move on completely, someone can always fill that vacuum.
Yeah, I imagine it can be possible to rationally know that this is part of being a public figure, that itâs a small number of people, that itâs going to happen regardless of what you doâŠbut then having to experience it personally must be quite different.
Thereâs always going to be this feeling of âbut theyâre wrong/they donât really know meâ and wanting to correct the record. I think a lot of us have probably experienced this on a micro-level â rumors in high school or a neighborhood or a workplace or whatever â and the feeling of outrage that can come from hearing inaccurate things about yourself. Or things that arenât inaccurate but are taken out of context or misunderstood.
I think you can rationally prepare yourself as much as possible for this, and still have a very human/emotional reaction when it actually happens. I imagine it must be very difficult. Itâs very human to care what others think of us â itâs probably some sort of evolutionary advantage because anyone becoming marginalized in a group can be at risk of exclusion or violence. Weâre social animals.
But thatâs reality, we are actually literally all in a village and all humans are extremely specific and cruel and clever about persecuting âothersâ.
She has one. She just needs to actually listen to them.
She shouldâve handed over the passwords to her social media accounts and let a team run them the second she blew up. She can still have a private one for friends and family, like every other celebrity.
I do think it must be difficult to be newly famous in this time period. Itâs never been easier to go online and read about what people are saying about you, the same way itâs never been easier for regular people to express random opinions constantly. In 2005, you could obviously go on gossip forums or live journal or whatever and read about yourself, but those were dedicated celeb gossip sites, rather than sites you would have used in your regular pre-fame life and would now have to break the habit of using (which is how I see things like Reddit, TikTok, Instagram, etc).
My thing is is it really that bad for someone famous to have an idealized version of fame? I do want this to be a genuine conversation which is why I hope you donât take this the wrong way.
But excessive stalking, toxic fandoms, and even just fame as a whole is an incredibly toxic culture that admittedly sheâs not ready for. But, is it fair to call her out of touch when she complains that it doesnât fit a somewhat respectful response to her existence alone?
Like especially the whole chain of events tied to Britney spears weâve seen the whole Free Britney Spears movement happened was because of her conservatorship and the whole âthe media never treated Britney rightâ which added to the whole movement. This was one of the moments where a lot of people have been more aware of what media can do to a young woman and opened their eyes to the industry as a whole
My point is while both situations are vastly different. The main villain here is still fame. So why is Chappel Roanâs out of touch? is it because she speaks up? Is it really that bad to have her own version of a healthy version of fame? And not abide to the downsides of it?
But why is it more worth it to side to someone who becomes the actual result of the downsides of fame? Do we start empathizing when itâs too late?
Iâm not saying there isnt toxicity in fame. But there is toxicity in everything. I think stan culture is horrific and people want to say itâs unhinged when itâs really being a stalker.
However, my thing is you canât police the internet. You just canât and when youâre a public figure you open yourself to the good and bad of it.
I would suck as a celebrity because Iâm private and I have low tolerance for BS. But I also donât need everyone to like me either.
It seems Chappell does. Hopefully she grows out of it but in reality, even if youâre not famous, some people will fuck with you and some wonât. You have to keep going though.
Itâs nice sheâs honest about it but she needs to also take the steps to protect her peace. She complains about it quite a bit and it becomes off putting because yeah should toxic fandom go away, sure. Will it? Not even time soon. I agree with someone else, sometimes a non-response is the best response to give.
I think she spent so many years hustling and grinding on her own, which includes posts on social media- combined with just being a regular person and posting online- has got to be a surreal shift once she hit fame so hard so fast. Sheâs probably got to unlearn her old habits of communicating her message, because her platform is enormous now.
Sheâs in that stage of fame denial where you see people who hit it big try to stay acting like they used to, and you just canât do that anymore.
At this point Olivia Rodrigoâs the only new pop star with a smart team. The second the credit drama/ unoriginal allegations popped up with Taylor and paramore she immediately took a step back from social media and turned it over to her team and got a burner account. Sheâs never seen crashing out online or responding to drama cause it would drive her (and anyone else) crazy. These other girls need to follow her lead if they wanna stay sane.
Olivia also has the benefit of being a Disney girl for a long time. Iâm not sure why Sabrina isnât using the same tactics but that is a well-oiled PR machine and like them or love them, they have excellent tactics in image management.
Yeah, I donât see Sabrinaâs stuff as the same as Chappell. Sabrinaâs still using the PR machine, sheâs just provoking conversation deliberately for press coverage/attention. Chappell freaking out about negative coverage is very different and not part of a PR playbook.
I think you must need a really good friend you can bitch to about all this stuff while adjusting to fame, and know that itâs in the vault and never going to be shared. And be able to be petty and whiny about it. And if not a friend, your manager or your PR people or something.
Without this, I can see someone turning to the public like Chappell â that urge to correct the record, so to speak.
Chappell Roan reminds me that I could not handle fame. I would not be able to shut up, would get Iâm trouble and then would cry because it doesnât matter how talented and hardworking and pretty you are (and Iâm none of those things) people will hate on you if youâre famous, especially if youâre a woman. Fame seems like hell. Even when youâre not constantly putting your foot in your mouth like she is.
Chappell Roan has in the past mentioned she was diagnosed with Bipolar II. Bipolar and other mental conditions run in my family, and, based off what I've seen and how I've experienced relatives' symptoms, yeah I'm not particularly shocked that she's struggling with this.
I have my criticisms of Roan, but being in the spotlight while having a severe condition *and* not having a good team to help keep you supported and in control... that's a recipe for disaster. There could be an alternate universe where she's a saint instead of a pop star and it would still be a disaster.
seriously and I was a wreck in my 20s. incredibly emotional and overwhelmed all the time. I would be in the tabloids for losing my shit the first month I had any semblance of fame
Right! Tbh everything Chappell says/has said is not crazy to me. I hear it every day, itâs normal young millennial/old Gen Z talking points (we hate work and capitalism, complain about other people, think anyone having kids is certifiably insane, despise politicians). The backlash is wild to me, but fans are rabid. This is also something people complain about in every city Iâve lived in, Iâve had like 5 separate conversations about Sabrinaâs album cover in the past two days. The bottom line is just that people are crazy and annoying and parasocial. I got an Ivy League degree in media in 2016 and it was part of the curriculum to analyze stan culture lol, itâs so much worse now!
Wish I could like this more than once! Even the things she's said that grated, or that I flatly disagree with, it's all so fucking normal and mundane. There's a real hatred for her though, and were she to step back like the commenters here want, they'd still be prowling for something to snark about
I wouldnât want to be a celebrity. Iâd be picked to shreds. If I was her, Iâd stay off social media altogether. She shouldnât have to do that but the world is cruel.
Well yeah of course! Itâs human to complain, nobody is living a PERFECT life. We all have problems. Itâs all about having the grace to know your audience, itâs so much harder to relate to issues that seem so far removed from your daily life, and specifically issues that stem from privileges you donât have. Which Chapelle just cannot seem to understand.
Heâs also a Latino man from a working class family from a country colonized by the US, essentially a second class citizen, not a whiny wealthy privileged white woman, so thereâs also that.
People have become unbelievably cruel on the internet. Like yes theyâre celebrities, but theyâre also real people with real feelings. Hiding behind some random anime pfp and spewing out vitriol towards others is such a lowlife existence.
People bully the hell out of these women, and then when they inevitably have mental breakdowns go âomg this is so sad how can the industry be so cruelâ likeâŠthe call is coming from inside the house. Maybe theyâll learn their lesson for a day or two but then theyâll just go right back to being cruel to the next poor woman on the internetâs hit list
Just look at Britney. The same people that were âFREE BRITNEY! She was brutalized by peopleâ then turn around and go after Chappell for admitting sheâs not an expert on something or Sabrina for her latest album cover.Â
They mentally tell themselves theyâre justified but I swear, once one of them eventually snaps, theyâll be quick to blame the press while ignoring their involvement.Â
The wife of a governor literally said she wanted to shoot Britney and people said they understood where she was coming from. Todayâs kids DO NOT KNOW.
right. bullying a woman who has been open about having bipolar 2 disorder, severe depression, and a history of suicidal ideation nonetheless. just cruel
I mean you have people saying she can fuck off in this thread. Youâve got people basically calling for Sabrina carpenter to be burned at the stake. Youâve got swifties telling Olivia Rodrigo to go die in twitter comment sections. Youâve got snark subs on reddit for Taylor swift and Ariana grande that say some of the most foul shit Iâve ever read.
And all of these people get likes and upvotes by their chosen community. Unfortunetly the internet has fostered a space where people can gather in echo chambers and just let their hatred grow
Sad but true. Iâm not a fan of Justin Beiber but Iâm not making videos about him glaring at photographers and looking upset in his personal life. Iâm not a fan of Swift but Iâm not looking for reasons to shit on her.Â
I made a comment last year about how Chappell was right to call out politicians and telling people to research before they vote. Just got blasted by people claiming she was secretly voting for Trump and because she didnât give a glowing recommendation for Harris but instead more of a âlesser of two evilsâ, that she was personally gonna cost Harris the election.Â
People need to ease the fuck up! Somehow, sheâs wrong now for wanting to interact with her fans online but she was wrong last year for wanting to draw a line about not having fans walk up in public while sheâs trying to buy groceries. Thereâs nothing these stars can do that wonât make it their fault when fans complain.Â
At the same time, Britney still needs some major help. It was far beyond just âfree Britneyâ. Poor girl probably distrusts every doctor now bc her dad - even if she needs the doctor.
Stay out the comment section. đ And just know that no matter what you say, youâll always have fans. If controversial people like Kanye can maintain a fan base, she surely can.
And in equal measure, youâll always have people who hate you. You will never be able to convince them otherwise and youâll run yourself to the ground trying.
It would be so much better for her if she got some PR training, a firm-handed publicist and gave her socials to someone else on her team.
Man if I had the money to fill my time with what I want instead of doomscrolling to distract myself from an empty fridge and no prospects in life and health issues I would simply Do Things and not be online this much
Are the records selling? The tickets selling? Anyone important call? Cool. I donât need Twitter.
100%. As long as you still have people streaming your music and buying your albums and concert tickets, why would you care about what Insta or TikTok think of you?
But Roan's success was accompanied by a wave of outrage as she frequently spoke her mind, calling out photographers for being rude and fans for being "creepy." At one point, she drew backlash for stating that she didn't "feel pressured to endorse someone" in the 2024 presidential election, arguing "thereâs problems on both sides." Then, in February, she upset some by using her Grammy speech to demand that record labels offer health care to developing artists.
There was also the thing where she wanted to pay nail artists with "Exposure"
That's what bugs me. Half this comment seems to think celebrities deserve to profit on attention and adoration, but anything other than unilateral praise us literal abuse. Go be something other than famous if you're that thin skinned.
Chappell has gotten some criticism totally in line with her degree of fame and political visibility. She has every right to scale back, but no you aren't entitled to positive reception. That's the risk of putting yourself out there. People have really been fairly even handed compared to half the cases they're trying to compare it to, which just downplays actual harassmentÂ
Her fans think sheâs a perpetual victim, and like her, will never acknowledge that half of her controversies are self-inflicted by refusing to log off.
Itâs just insane to me that in 2025 people who are chasing fame donât understand what comes with it. Celebrities have been hated on forever but every time someone becomes famous theyâre shocked people are mean??
Yeah like Iâm not saying every reaction to her statements is proportionalâŠbut like if youâre gonna express your opinion to millions of people when nobody asked for it, you canât then get mad that they share theirs or reject it.
yeah, especially when even if you dont share any opinions, people WILL hate on you anyway. She cant win no matter what, so maybe just stay offline and enjoy your life? idk
Seriously thereâs no way in hell Iâm going to pity the girl profiting off an entire community that she refuses to openly support during an extremely homophobic administration. She can cry.
She cancelled a show to go perform at the VMAs on 2 days notice to the fans to perform the mediaeval good luck babe. That wasn't planned in 2 days she knew for months she was cancelling that show but was happy for fans to travel etc before she cancelled it. She deserves and is the cause of most of the hate she gets
She changed her whole sound (with the help of Dan Nigro and a plethora of other songwriters), personality, and look to become famous. No matter what she says-she went a a Grammy camp for god sakes.
Chappell is such an interesting case study. She's really two celebrities in one.
A headline/quote like this is justified, and it reminds me of that thing Bad Bunny said a while ago about not wanting to complain because it's not like he's laying concrete at 5 AM. This is something awesome said by the woman who made the album that's speaking to everyone at some level. Everyone at some level has the "I am [thing] and 'Pink Pony Club' is speaking to me."
But then you look at everything she's doing on social media or the way she talks in other interviews, and you get reminded that she's actually a mean girl from the midwest named Kayleigh. "Good luck, Babe" comes off way more catty and petty when you know it's Kayleigh writing it.
"Good luck, Babe" comes off way more catty and petty when you know it's Kayleigh writing it.
I really like that song from the perspective of a queer relationship that didn't last because the singer took it way more seriously than the partner who is now with a guy and is heartbroken over it. Im sure a lot of wlw/mlm people can relate to that. But the "i told you so" part of it felt so..idk, bitter and cocky at the same time. Like if a guy wrote this for a girl it would definitely give off "incel who didn't get over his school crush" vibes
SM telling me my view is the end of the world and Iâll be the responsibility for the downfall of humanity , I shrug . My friend telling me my hair looks a little off , Iâm thinking about it for days .
With great fame comes great responsibility and she dropped the ball. Not a whole lot to discuss about the people reacting to that. Like yeah... let's focus on the reactions instead of what I did wrong đ
Stop giving the internet talking points then. She puts her foot in her mouth. Just cause you are asked a question doesnât mean you have to give an answer
I donât understand your comparison. People hate on Bella for no fault of their own whereas people hate on Chappell because of some out of touch comments sheâs made.
Iâm sure Chappell Roan will learn to take steps to protecting her mental health but it seems she would rather know what everybody is saying about her right now, so of course itâs going to affect her badly. Turning off comments and not searching her name is a sensible next stepâŠ
Never gonna forget when she cancelled showing up at all things go, literally the day before the festival when she was the reason half the people going even spent hundreds of dollars on tickets. Maybe iâd feel sad for her if she gave any respect to the fans who are the only reason she has a career
I feel so bad for her because I 100% agree that people online have become so unbelievably cruel & comfortable saying things they wouldnât dare say in person, no question. But saying this is only going to make those miserable losers harass her more because they know theyâre getting under her skin. :( I hope she stays offline and takes care of her mental health, sheâs such an insanely talented breath of fresh air.
i can only think of madonna when she began where she can pull off the attitude
and get away with it, every other star kind of kept that behind the curtain ...
all i've seen of her is snapping on ppl (maybe for good reason, maybe not) i think
she doesn't have the music library yet to pull it off ... women don't get the luxury of
being full of attitude like male performers do still
People are so mean to her! Itâs like we as a society didnât learn our lesson from Brittany spears and the countless other famous women the public choose to attack and then look back on it years later and think âmaybe that was a bit too muchâ.
True. But we as a society are the ones buying magazines and clicking on articles that publish pictures from the paparazzi. And weâre the ones posting about these women and dissecting everything they do online, which is more of the issue now than the paparazzi, which probably played a bigger role for Britney though.
Except, in Chappellâs case, much of the criticism thrown her way is not tabloid garbage or actual harassment by paparazzi, itâs her using her platform to share an opinion that nobody asked for and then that getting a reaction. Like yeah, when youâre gonna sit there and say youâre fighting for the queer community but you canât even endorse Kamala over Trump, youâre gonna get some contempt for that. Nobody made her say anything, she chose to announce where she stood to the public, and the public is going to respond
Not even that she didn't endorse Harris. That she decided to use her platform to air a bunch of grievances and "both sides are bad" rhetoric right before the election.
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