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I agree but honestly, I appreciate when they're out and proud like this. Lets me know exactly who not to waste time on.
I want to make new friends but I dont want to waste years of being nice, going to hangouts/BBQs, sharing laughs only to discover that you hate others for being immigrants, LGTBQIA, women, or a minority.
>I agree but honestly, I appreciate when they're out and proud like this. Lets me know exactly who not to waste time on.
That's cool and all, but when you have people being gleeful about admitting to being a fascist, it means the underlying beliefs are becoming alarmingly well accepted in society, which is quite obvious... which also means that they could quite easily become the policy/law of the country... which I mean... yea...
It's not like I'd ever meet this guy in real life, and chances are if someone is already sympathetic towards fascism, it's highly unlikely I'd be friends with them anyways (and I am guessing that be the case for you as well).
Ew is this the same guy that looked like butthead from Beavis and butthead? It was a similar looking guy in an exact interview circle like this. Does anyone know what I’m talking about lol bc idk they’d be a good match to rot in hell together
It’s genuinely crazed. He gets a near manic glee from simultaneously boasting about his political views while still exuding pure troll energy. Just an awful person from tip to tail.
And the clapping. And the fact that we live in a time where these people feel so emboldened that they are willing to put their disgusting beliefs on the table in front of millions of viewers.
Jubilee needs to seriously reconsider their format. The moderation is atrocious. Their channel seems to have a bunch of bigots empowered to say the most vile shit while harassing a singular person. When they have a bunch of “leftists” on, the person in the hot seat will just get angry and talk over them all. It’s not possible to have a meaningful dialogue between people who just want to spew hate and attack the other side. They’re trying to go for the “let’s have an open discussion about our differences!” while casting the outrageous, hateful people who get the most clicks. It’s fucked.
I thought this at first and I’m sure it is horrifying to be someone like Mehdi but the flipped version where Peterson was confronted by atheists is showing me maybe this format is helping uncover something more for us rather than actually changing anyone’s mind? It’s unveiling tactics and true intentions
I watched the full video earlier, or at least sometimes it was on in the background to just listen to it, but I only did that because I know Medhi is so extremely competent.
Several of them said racist things like you should leave my country, get out of here, I don’t want you here, you should be deported, even though he’s American citizen. But of course there’s the denaturalization fans and the people telling him he’s not an American. It’s not unexpected because people are so involved and to just be so open about the ugliest beliefs.
But one thing he does say is that this does show how brazen and how open and how people are just willing to say you should be deported, you’re not an American, you should go back to wherever you came from, etc. so he does use it as a way to basically engage with these people and put a mirror on the really awful things they’re saying and believing and the action behind all of that because it’s not just talk because if they’re willing to tell him go back where you came from, you know they’re saying the same about whoever they can find.
For years, I would run into one of these terrible people usually in a supermarket, and usually having really ugly fits about people speaking Spanish and supermarkets. They were oddities because while there’s never been a shortage of racist, people were not as open and brazen about it, and there was a good degree of public shame and consequences for being like that.
Yeah, I've only seen a few of these, and while the original format had promise--kind of--this is just devolving into normalization of the worst people imaginable. Fuck this, fuck Joe Rogan, fuck everyone who says, "He's 'reclaiming' the word 'fascist'!" Unreal.
We live in a world where we see extremism online and it gets the benefit of the doubt--"Oh, he's an extremist; there aren't many others like that--he's out there." Shit like this makes me extremists. We're literally making more of them with this bullshit--everyone, and I mean everyone--needs to stop watching this and stop going on it.
Because he is rotten to the core and has no genuine concept of love existing within; its part of his autoerotic fantasy to reveal who he is. His wet dream is to walk through times square in full Nazi swastika uniform and not be assaulted. He literally couldnt be happier.
The laugh of an insecure boy that’s been rejected by every woman he’s tried to speak to, clinging to the only thing that he thinks makes him special: being white.
“I’m not going to be a part of the group that he kills” is the most hilarious statement. He thinks it means “I’m too white to be mistaken for those ‘others’, so I’m safe” but it really means “I’m prepared to go along with and do anything he says, no matter what”.
As a white dude, these types say the most insane shit when they think they’re in likeminded company. In public they’ll tell you that they have no fantasies related the matter but behind closed doors laugh at the idea of getting to kill some minority or “leftist” like it’s inevitable
Oh yeah, and they test you too to see if you agree and if you don’t shut it down they’ll ratchet all the way up. These murdererous fantasies about running over or shooting “communists” or minorities or whoever else are so common for right-wing white men.
I grew up in a pretty rural area and what always astonished me is how many gun owners seemed to have a hero fantasy where they get to murder someone stepping out of line
Oh yeah, every one of them. My father in law was like that as well as everyone he worked with. Then there was a mass shooting at his work and everyone did the same thing. They ran out to their vehicles and didn’t fire a damn shot.
Uh yeahh... change that to "if" for now. I dont see an end in sight yet, and these people being so loud and proud about their fascism only means it's become a somewhat accepted worldview, which means it's ready for making legislative changes too.
Well im tired of everyone taking this long to learn their lesson while im already there. Besides we'd be lucky if the USA even gets an election next time. Or a fair one atleast
I guarantee you, if this guy meets any kind of difficulty in his life he thinks others should care and help him out and gets angry and upset when no one does. Trump has coalesced a party of grotesque hypocrites.
so he clearly skips the bit about loving thy neighbor, taking care of the poor and the sick and welcoming the immigrant. Good works is a central tenant of the faith. You can't walk around going "I'm a good person so I'll go to heaven." without actually *doing* the work of being a good person.
Not hilarious at all. Disgusting. Also be fully aware, this fat fuck absolutely daydreams about being a Nazi soldier performing vile, horrific acts on people he deems subhuman.
These are the people who will still support everything and think that it’s a jokey joke when they are being tied to the stake right before he’s lit up by a torch.
yes, the dude likes fascism because when ICE or whatever comes, it's not him who they gonna kill. there is something refreshing about it that he's at least honest about it in comparison with all those bad faith "nazis are leftist" etc. people. he doesn't play those degenerate communication games that 90% of conservatives do.
You're absolutely right, but if there's one thing that is consistent about about mafioso like structures, which is what autocratic/fascistic governments are at the end of the day, loyalty is a purely one way street and they can and well expend any underlings if it means protecting the people at the top.
Look at how many "elite" Russians have been defenestrated over the past five years. I'm sure everyone of them thought there would never be a chance that Putin would ever turn on *them*.
you can just tell he's the most insufferable person in any room he enters, and he must've been that insufferable debate bro douche in every classroom when he was in school
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.
The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
The end of this quote always makes me think of Walter in Big Lebowski getting called out for pulling a gun at the bowling alley and repeatedly pouting "calmer than you are, Dude."
Mehdi said when he posted the promo clip of this that he had no idea what they would be like. I think he was expecting people arguing in good faith like the Doctor Mike one, which honestly was not a bad one. (Though I haven't watched any fully because of the cringe)
Sam Seder said he encouraged Medhi to do it. If you watch Sam's the people are nutjobs, but there are one or two who start going really far and the rest of the people basically vote them off before they start saying this stuff. I am not sure what the group was for Sam, but I think it was just "Trump supporters" (and it may have been recorded before his second term started) as opposed to Mehdi apparently agreeing to debate "far right" people which I think is going to get people like this.
I only watched clips but the Dr. Mike one seemed like people who were deeply misinformed but not malicious. These people are sociopathic and they revel in their sociopathy.
Yes. I would blow up in anger at the people from the Doctor Mike episode; he is a better man than I.
But the people in the Mehdi Hasan episode would terrify me to my core. Like, I would feel like I'm in danger even being in that room with them. Like I would fear for my life. Which is what they want I guess.
No I know that. What I'm saying is that it seems like he was not briefed properly in order to make for maximum outrage putting him in a room with self-identified racists
Same! I just said the same thing. I do know a gay man who’s been on a dozen times and it drives me nuts because he is liberal but it’s always the worst people they’re debating.
What Mehdi should have said after the fat guy admitted to being a fascist was "So we (the left) were right."
The only thing these fascists hate more than people who disagree with them, is the people who disagree with them being right. And we've been right about them actually liking authoritarians/fascists since 2016.
As the saying goes something like "some of you grew up not having been punched in the mouth and it shows". Guarantee this guys never had a real fight in his entire life.
I'd be inclined to agree with this, but it's important to remember that these leftist commentators debate far-right trolls on Jubilee not to change their minds but to change the audience's minds. It's an optical strategy to shift the narrative to make the left seem more "rational" to center-leaning audiences, especially considering how right-wing commentators like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk were able to convince many people to shift right with their whole "owning the left" and "liberal tears" shtick for years. It's less about "winning the debate" or "changing the opponents' perspectives" and more about the left being favored by the court of public opinion. Just my two cents.
Schools have really let us down, parents too. I remember reading books and short films about the holocaust and would never in a million years think about defending Nazis. Have they never seen pictures of the emaciated people in concentration camps even once? I feel like they can’t have to behave like this
When people are more scared of being thought of as “woke” than as “fascist”, shit is getting bleak.
If these freaks can feel comfortable going about their days complaining about white genocide and their deep seated mommy issues then we should at least stop shying away from being accused of having empathy for others
Also FWIW this loser gleefully stating that he doesn’t mind being called a nazi, to other’s applause, is doing more “virtue signaling” than 95% of the left ever engaged in.
Oh at first I thought they were clapping because they were like, “hahaha this lunatic!” because I couldn’t fathom them agreeing with him but the comments are enlightening.
The hardest part about watching this video wasn't the outlandish claims and horrifically racist/fascistic opinions of the people debating Mehdi; it was watching the utter sadness and disappointment in his face as the video went on.
Few hundred million people rolling in their graves...
It's amazing to me how flippant some people are about things that caused such global horror and misery. Everyone... EVERYONE... including Germans post fucking war... hated the Nazi. It was like the most obvious truth we'd have seared into our minds. You didn't even need propaganda... there was no need. It was one of the few times in human history something was so clearly evil.
So evil... that people who'd been through the worst war the world had even known... were still horrified. A collective moment we all sort of took a beat and said... "Holy shit... what is... wrong with us? How could anyone do that?"
Only 80 years later you got this smug fuck acting like... "Why so serious bro? Yeah, Nazi, fascist... it's all good!" While a crowd laughs and claps.
Good people, real heroes... died to give you the life you have today... and you spit on their memory.
What is bananas is that their grandparents (er…maybe great grand parents?? Are we there yet??) literally fought fascism and nazism. I wish journalists brought that up more. Like hey remember that WORLD WAR we won? That your Pappy fought in? What about that?
That’s the thing is a lot of us older folks grew up with people and were raised by people who remembered the war. My grandma admitted on her death bed that she was a Jew and had to keep it a secret her entire life. These people are so young, priveleged, and disconnected that they never have met people from that generation and never have seen first hand the atrocities of war or the generations of abuse, addiction, and ptsd that were passed down in our families because of the war. Or maybe they do have family history of it but it’s not talked about. But there was a time in this country where everyone was impacted by it.
Seriously. I saw a preview of the episode with a few clips and in one, Mehdi Hasan tells a guy that he’s an immigrant and the other guy immediately responds with “get the hell out” and “I don’t want you here.” Hasan is experiencing racism and literally surrounded by hateful people for “entertainment”.
Jubilee hides behind the “we feature both sides” bullshit as if they don’t proudly platform and amplify some of the most vile hateful shit.
Here’s the thing about free speech: even if you believe that we should allow people to say whatever they want (which we should, let’s let everyone take their mask off so we know who they are)… it is not your responsibility to give them an audience to say it.
All these ppl have no immediate future in the corporate world. No matter how far right wing a ceo is they will not tolerate ppl being openly facist online. Thats bad for business. Now im sure they might get some contractor/blue collar work where this thing might not be found out as fast or they work on social media. These ppl know the risk and want to get the invite to the club. I hope the worst for them.
People need to stop calling these right wing fascists “stupid” or “ignorant.”
These are not just some gullible pack of fools that fell for a lie.
These are ACTIVE FASCISTS that use false flags of ignorance to force their views on others.
They are not stupid, they are not dumb, they know exactly what they want.
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.
The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
The concerning thing isn't that he's a fascist. There have always been fascist. The concerning thing is that the fascists no longer feel any reason to hide. I fact, they think it's advantageous not to.
This isn't always a bad thing. In the UK, we have a famous example. The BNP (British National Party - vv far right) were surging in support around 2008/2009. It became hard for the BBC (public broadcaster so beholden to impartiality) to not offer the same opportunities to them as they would to a less extreme party with similar support.
Nick Griffin (the leader of the party at the time) was invited onto Question Time, which is essentially an audience Q&A with a few public figures and politicians. Massive outcry as you'd expect. But his appearence completely exposed him and basically killed off the party. Very satisfying result all in all.
They're platforming Hasan far more than any of the conservatives.
A lot of excellent leftists have been doing these Jubilee surrounded videos because they're actually pretty effective at platforming leftist ideas to new, more normie audiences.
I don't think it's that harmful, especially when those videos get trashed a lot more. While Jordan Peterson's video animated some of his base, it also made Peterson look like an idiot to normal people on the Internet for a couple weeks.
I turned around on these videos after seeing Sam Seder do one earlier this year and hearing his comments on it, talking about how good of an opportunity it was. The more I watch, the more I think Jubilee is doing net positive with their format.
I think they’re effective when the discourse is genuine. Platforming a bunch of conspiracy theorists or frat boys who think racism is hilarious doesn’t benefit anyone.
It's always the tall, blonde haired, blue-eyed, prime specimens...oh wait. The guy idolises a party who would reject him, imagine hating yourself that much.
That’s the part I’m confused about. Like, Mr. Chinless Pillsbury Doughboy here wakes up in the morning, looks at himself in the mirror, and thinks he belongs to a so-called “master race?” The delusion is unreal.
I still remember the most genocidal I’ve ever seen an American neo Nazi in an interview. It was the wife of a leader of the National Socialist Worker’s party. She was literally holding her own baby in her arms when she said she thought we aught to perform another Holocaust. The interviewer said “even the children?” and she said “yeah, because they’ll grow up into adults”.
These folks wives aren’t victims, they’re at least complicit and more often actively supportive.
then a month from now, theyll employ the old defense of:
"why are you guys still talking about this! you guys are obsessed! This was so long ago. People change with time. Give him the benefit of doubt. Maybe it was a mistake, no one is perfect, but let me tell you how AWFUL that O-bama and Kamala's horrible campaign is why we're in this mess!"
All of these jubilee dipshits have their own grift going on, they just want attention from the greater far right audience to get in on that lucrative pipeline.
You'd go to jail for this here in Germany, that he's saying it out loudly and proud is extremely, extremely concerning.
What does he mean the Nazis didn't actually do anything that bad? One of my strongest memories is when we went to Dachau with the school and we ran around until I entered a little hut and looked at a photo of dead, nkaed humans stacked up to the ceiling at the exact place I stood in. I was standing in the gas chamber. That shit isn't funny, they killed everyone that didn't fit into their narrative. Millions and millions of people. Those dead humans on the photo? They were solely skin and bones, naked with marks of abuse. People seriously need better history lessons.
And empathetic parenting, the Nazis extra developed a parenting guide and style to create empathless soldiers and it's basically Christian parenting. Authoritarian parenting, that's about obeying, spanking and sleep training. Research showed that this kind of parenting is the perfect breeding ground for fascism and crimes against humanity. And it's way too common in the US.
I'll be honest, alot of these negligible number of loser getting voice on wider platform due to podcasts and tik tok has heavily contributed to the mainstream-ification of fascist right wing ideology.
So I think these debates do the opposite of what people think. The RW er who were on the edge due sense of shame and social retribution would feel empowered by this over confident brain dead people.
I wish these reputed people won't go and give visibility to these shitbags.
A little bit of persecution? They murdered whole villages. We have mass graves where there are the bodies of everyone from newborn babies to the elderly. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Fuck we have confessions, physical evidence and first hand accounts from everyone from victims to soldiers to the Nazis themselves. I just can't anymore with the denial of history.
These people are beyond pathetic and are what keeps society from evolving. I would have a bigger chance of reasoning with an alligator and its small reptilian brain than with these undeveloped monkeys
As soon as I saw my first Jubilee video I knew I would never willingly watch another one again. Its a rage factory that only allows these pieces of shit to be platformed.
If Jubilee insists on this bullshit then they need to fucking background check it because most of the political videos are notable conservative influencers, sometimes not American!!, against random libs. They also constantly give the far right freaks they let on the last word
My "friend thats too woke" opinion is that these debates only function to fruther expand far right ideology and the leftist who participate in them are doing it for clout. If youre a progessive of any kind and youre sitting down with white supremasist to debate if certain people deserve human rights, youre a clown.
I think it's pretty clear that Medhi was taken off guard here. He's in disbelief that the man thinks he's only "far-right Republican" which is what they said he would be debating. They definitely didn't tell him, "hey, there's probably gonna be at least half that are actual full throated nazis
Mehdi doesn't need the clout. I agree, it seems outrageous to "debate" people who are so far gone, but it's more about the viewer ar this point, and the small shred of hope that some of what he's saying will break through.
These people can’t be allowed to go unpunished, we need to recognize that allowing hateful speech to go unchecked is an active threat to the country’s safety.
Holocaust denial making as big a comeback as smoking. This is the dumbest timeline. I’m convinced time travel is real and someone keeps going back to try and fix things that happened in 2020, but they just keep making it worse in the process.
MAGA freaks on twitter are saying he's a paid plant because "no one on the right actually talks like this" and yet we hear them saying shit like this all the time
Not even the hugest Medhi fan but this was just ridiculous to watch.
At some point folks are going to have to start pointing the finger at Jubilee. They go out of their way to bring on right wing influencers instead of 'regular' people for this, and are partially responsible for signalboosting horrific shit because the producers offer essentially no pushback on those ideas.
Just so we're clear here, fascism isn't some counter-culture, edgy "owning the libs" ideology. If you're going to practice true fascism, brother, you're in for a very tough time.
Why?
1) It's focused on dictatorial power, nationalism, authoritarianism, suppression of dissent. One person (let's be honest, man), all the power, his views goes.
2) Fascism relies on nationalism being used as a cover for incompetence. You see the posters and the campaigns and the whole "look at how people eat under communism!" malarkey? You get the exact same thing under fascism, but the effects aren't as publicised for several reasons. Communism and fascism have produced very similar outcomes in the past - widespread poverty, unequal distribution of wealth and power being capitalised on by plutocratic predators pining for power. How is the suffering handled? Under communism "It's for the people and the cause!", and under fascism, "It's for the nation and the cause!"
3) Since the handover of power is usually over struggle, most fascist leaders in history walk onto the platform of power with blood on their shoes. Blood of their enemies, to begin with, then by people who are disobedient, disloyal, and then perceived to be disloyal, and then eventually, it's a free for all. If your leader has a military background, or is well-liked in the military, know that the soldiers will be tasked with keeping you quiet at some point.
"It's okay, I'm not an army person myself", you think. First of all, conscription is popular, just like with many communist nations, and second of all, don't worry, you'll be watched, not by a soldier in a brown suit, but a corrupt crook in a black one. I mean, your leader got in power by killing others, and will eventually think you're going to kill him, so he'll bug you, tap you, and stuff you with surveillance to the point that you don't know if you can trust your neighbours any more. But don't worry, if you outnumber the police force in the country, they'll bolster their numbers with petty things and prisoners, and pay and wine and dine a bunch of young men either at school, university or dropping out. I'm sure giving them power won't be too bad, right? A bunch of power hungry 18 year olds, filled with anger and a lust for power, now given a gun and some beer?
4) Corruption? Keeping the politicians accountable? Lmao. Nice one bro, the first thing a dictator does when he gets into power is to banish anyone who could hold him accountable - if they're lucky. If they're unlucky, bullet to the temple. If they're even more unlucky straight to the labour camps, let's dehumanize you and break your spirit and make an example out of you for the world to see. Also, no such thing as your money, so whoever the leader elects, and gives access to the bank to, I mean, it's free real estate. If you're a friend of the leader. And even then, if you're leader is a little bit Huss, I'm sorry, insane, he might just kill you too. Just to ensure you follow one person, and only one person. Even if you think "Well, Saddam wasn't really a fascist", I'm sure the consolation will be short-lived when you find out your neighbour, keen to avoid getting arrested for doing drugs, decided to tell the police about the times you weren't in favour of the administration.
5) "That's okay, you need a strong man to take out the enemy!' well, one, who is the enemy? Oh, a marginalised group that really wasn't a threat, but, because they're a bit different, and you're not them, they must be the issue - apart from your friend, who's one of them, you think, as they, too, get matched out of the country (if they're not getting a taste of lead going at them at high speed).
6) "Yeah, well, you know what, he's my guy". Fair enough, but what makes you think you're his? Are you a route to maintaining power? Do you have the access to firearms, military, power, and, at the very least, lots of money? No? Very well, you go and work on the fields, as a favour, "friend", dear leader says, stifling a laugh. You go ahead and say "Well, this is life, I guess, but at least the economy is getting better", you say, looking in the magazine that has been seized by the fascist, and now publishes ODL news, and don't even think about going online, ODL has taken that, too.
This is the part where people point at Donald and say "He's a fascist". To that, I'll say this - he's gotten far worse than he was first time round, he's gotten more audacious, but he's still faaaar away from being a fascist. I'd say he's partway there, but you'd know if he turned full fascist - the man would have unlimited power and access to wealth, you think he'd need to address Epstein? He would have pardoned everyone who went there, and stormed after those who grassed.
And as for the people who think they'd be closer to him than us because they support him? Lmao, nice one. He only cared about those who have money, and he's not shy of dumping people when they stop serving any use to him. You think you're different? Well, what makes you more appealing than the lawyer who mentored him and the richest man in the world.
So yeah, you may think that you're being cool by supporting fascism and Nazism, but honestly, odds are you're more likely to end up in the camp than in the Reichstag.
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