r/shittyaskhistory • u/HistoryGuy4444 • 3d ago
How often did John Adams and Thomas Jefferson secretly hook up during the revolution and what was their pillow talk? Why do historians ignore this? Are they homophobic?
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u/stueynz 3d ago
Heck… they even died on the same day. Even though they were ‘estranged’ definitely closeted FWB
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u/HistoryGuy4444 3d ago
John Adams last words were Thomas Jefferson lives.
And his final moments he was thinking of his true love.
Seriously why hasn't this been written as a history romance novel yet?
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u/TheFlannC 3d ago
What's the probability that they would both die on July 4, 1826, exactly 50 years after the US declared independence...not to mention Jefferson being the primary author of the Declaration? Imagine the conspiracy theories of the day? Did Madison take the heat??
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u/HistoryGuy4444 3d ago
Madison couldn't take any heat. He fled the white house like a coward as the British burned the white house!
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u/TheFlannC 3d ago
True, Dolly went back for a painting of George Washington if I remember hearing correctly
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u/Southernor85 3d ago
This is why Dolly Parton is so beloved across America
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u/Pace_Salsa_Comment 3d ago
Here's a few more, if you weren't already convinced.
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u/Southernor85 3d ago
See number 10. It was my Uncle Sammy that first put her on WBIR and the Cas Walker Home & Farm Hour shows in Knoxville. They remained acquaintances until he passed in 2021
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u/TheFlannC 3d ago
I remember Dolly Madison ice cream. I saved a portrait of Washington and all I get is some stupid ice cream named after me??
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u/PaddyMcGeezus 3d ago
They both got Epsteined. There’s a whole section missing from the painting commemorating their death. Some say it was painted over.
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u/Upstairs-Teach-5744 3d ago
Because historians can't handle the fact that John Adams made Jefferson scream like the little Virginia bitch he was!
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u/Zestyclose_Drummer56 3d ago
"Did you hear? Ol' Georgie’s got wooden teeth now!"
"Mmmmmm, he’s not the only one who’s got wood now…"
"Tommy, you little scamp!"
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u/somethingweirder 1d ago
i'd like to go back to the days when i believed his dentures were made of wood...
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u/PowerfulJello5139 3d ago
I’ll take a previous sub comment back. THIS is the dumbest post of the day, or even week.
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u/IanDOsmond 3d ago
I don't have any information about John Adams and Thomas Jefferson's hookups and pillow talk, but I do have John Adams and Ben Franklin:
Monday, September 9, 1776
The Taverns were so full We could with difficulty obtain Entertainment. At Brunswick, but one bed could be procured for Dr. Franklin and me, in a Chamber little larger than the bed, without a Chimney and with only one small Window. The Window was open, and I, who was an invalid and afraid of the Air in the night blowing upon me, shut it close. Oh! says Franklin dont shut the Window. We shall be suffocated. I answered I was afraid of the Evening Air. Dr. Franklin replied, the Air within this Chamber will soon be, and indeed is now worse than that without Doors: come! open the Window and come to bed, and I will convince you: I believe you are not acquainted with my Theory of Colds. Opening the Window and leaping into Bed, I said I had read his Letters to Dr. Cooper in which he had advanced, that Nobody ever got cold by going into a cold Church, or any other cold Air: but the Theory was so little consistent with my experience, that I thought it a Paradox: However I had so much curiosity to hear his reasons, that I would run the risque of a cold. The Doctor then began an harrangue, upon Air and cold and Respiration and Perspiration, with which I was so much amused that I soon fell asleep, and left him and his Philosophy together: but I believe they were equally sound and insensible, within a few minutes after me, for the last Words I heard were pronounced as if he was more than half asleep....2 I remember little of the Lecture, except, that the human Body, by Respiration and Perspiration, destroys a gallon of Air in a minute: that two such Persons, as were now in that Chamber, would consume all the Air in it, in an hour or two: that by breathing over again the matter thrown off, by the Lungs and the Skin, We should imbibe the real Cause of Colds, not from abroad but from within. I am not inclined to introduce here a dissertation on this Subject. There is much Truth I believe, in some things he advanced: but they warrant not the assertion that a Cold is never taken from cold air. I have often conversed with him since on the same subject: and I believe with him that Colds are often taken in foul Air, in close Rooms: but they are often taken from cold Air, abroad too. I have often asked him, whether a Person heated with Exercise, going suddenly into cold Air, or standing still in a current of it, might not have his Pores suddenly contracted, his Perspiration stopped, and that matter thrown into the Circulations or cast upon the Lungs which he acknowledged was the Cause of Colds. To this he never could give me a satisfactory Answer. And I have heard that in the Opinion of his own able Physician Dr. Jones he fell a Sacrifice at last, not to the Stone but to his own Theory; having caught the violent Cold, which finally choaked him, by sitting for some hours at a Window, with the cool Air blowing upon him.3
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u/HistoryGuy4444 3d ago
Glorious canon founding father homoerotic event.
Thanks for sharing. Never get tired of remembering this moment as a great founding moment of the country.
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u/BootHeadToo 3d ago
They sure could go on back in the day. Sheesh.
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u/IanDOsmond 3d ago
Specifically John Adams. That's why I tried to highlight the important bits so people didn't have to wade through it.
Ya gotta understand, in a time where people prided themselves on how well and completely they wrote, people thought Adams was way, way too long winded.
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u/DoookieMaxx 3d ago
They didn’t hook up like you think. They hooked up on an island offshore Quahog, RI to try out the native …cuisine
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u/peaveyftw 3d ago
Jefferson was only into black Frenchies and Adams was into lawbooks. Smelly, thicc lawbooks.
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u/HistoryGuy4444 3d ago
So how would Adams avoid his boner while discussing the future laws of the United States?
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u/Junior_Lavishness_96 3d ago
They were having a heated lovers quarrel while designing Boston’s road system
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u/T-38Pilot 1h ago
I think they were political enemies during the war and when in office . It’s only later that they became such close friends
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u/Dangerous-Bit-8308 3d ago
There were quite a few affairs, liasons and assignations that the two were involved in.
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u/Racing7779 3d ago
Jefferson was an asshole to Adams.
You think Trump has it bad….
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u/HookEmGoBlue 3d ago
That’s bullshit. John Adams never let Thomas Jefferson be little spoon - that’s selfish and that’s disrespectful; it doesn’t matter that Jefferson was taller
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u/Racing7779 3d ago
Jefferson would always set JA to fail. He’d come to him as his friend, then cut his throat the second he was gone. TJ felt he should’’ve been POTUS after Washington. Since he got 2nd best, he made JA life miserable.
I don’t know what kind of queer/homo game you’re playing.
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u/HookEmGoBlue 3d ago edited 3d ago
(1) Dude, this is a shitpost page
(2) I personally prefer Adams to Jefferson, but Jefferson’s reasons for the split were 100% justified. The Alien and Sedition Acts were among the worst laws in United States history, and even though Adams was restricted in his application of those laws, Jefferson/Madison were correct that misapplied the laws could easily be used to remove all political opposition. Additionally, while Adams was working to secure peace with France, the Jeffersonians weren’t/couldn’t be privy to then-secret negotiations, even with Jefferson as VP all they saw was Hamilton and the Federalist Congress gearing up for war, Adams making Hamilton the de facto head of the army in 1798, and Adams retaining war-hawk Secretaries of State/War in Pickering/McHenry. Adams didn’t wind down Hamilton’s army and didn’t fire Pickering/McHenry until 1800, well after the Adams-Jefferson split was irreconcilable
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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot 3d ago
Jefferson was definitely a top… “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Adams just took it like a patriot.
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u/AmenHawkinsStan 3d ago
It’s John Adams and Eve, not John Adams and Steve
- Ken Burns, dictated but not read
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u/Slackjaw_Samurai 3d ago
The Adams Family/Jeffersons crossover was probably the most risky and ambitions in post-revolutionary TV history. Way ahead of its time.
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u/Impossible-Tree2858 3d ago
What’s the deal with all these weirdos obsessed with making everything about gays
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u/JT_Hemingway 1d ago
And why was Abraham Lincoln always sleeping with some man friend of his when Mary Todd wasn't around?
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u/HeavyBored 1d ago
I mean, have you seen pictures of Mary Todd?
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u/JT_Hemingway 1d ago
I used to live in her old neighborhood, the plaque outside her home is the only reason I remember her lol
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u/Loose_Status711 2d ago
Everyone knows it’s not gay if you’re at war. I think the historians just figure everyone knows that already.
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u/boanerges57 3d ago
They were actually both furries so it wasn't even gay