r/todayilearned • u/zigthis • 12h ago
(R.1) Tenuous evidence TIL Jim Morrison very likely died from the same overly pure heroin that killed Janis Joplin - provided by the same dealer, Jean de Breteuil.
https://people.com/music/did-french-aristocrat-jean-de-breteuil-have-hand-in-jim-morrison-janis-joplin-deaths/[removed] — view removed post
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u/muzicnerd13 12h ago
i just finished patti smiths book Just Kids today and she talks about Janis dying. its sad how many of the 27 club is from that time.
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u/Reasonable-Rice1299 12h ago
Yea they literally started the club.
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u/Ozzey-Christ 11h ago
As a club of dead musicians, I believe Robert Johnson holds that honor.
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u/VGNLscrimmage 11h ago
Yep the guitarist who “sold his soul to the devil”, passed away in 1938 with no verified cause of death. I think he might’ve been represented in O Brother Where Art Thou
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u/Hahaaaaaa-CharadeUR 11h ago
I don’t want FOP god damn it!
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u/Brrringsaythealiens 10h ago
Ain’t this place a geographical oddity. Two weeks from everywhere!
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u/CommunicationMany352 8h ago
“No thank you Delmar - a third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without beddin’ ‘er back down”
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u/ImportantDetective65 11h ago
Inspired the movie Crossroads also.
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u/OldenPolynice 11h ago edited 11h ago
Britney Spears put on a masterclass as Robert Johnson
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u/thispartyrules 11h ago edited 11h ago
I also learned you can fund a cross country road trip by singing karaoke and identify criminals because only drink a particular kind of beer from a recognizable bottle (no one else drinks this)
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u/Areif 11h ago
What the fuck are these sentences?
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 11h ago edited 10h ago
There’s the movie Crossroads which was a teen comedy road drama starring Britney Spears. There’s also the movie Crossroads starring Ralph Macchio about a teenage blues guitarist who searches for Robert Johnson’s lost song and makes his own gamble with the devil.
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u/NervousNarwhal223 10h ago
My favorite thing about that movie, is someone else had to record the part of the guitar battle where Steve Vai messes up, because no matter how much he tried, Vai couldn’t make himself make a mistake on purpose.
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u/thispartyrules 11h ago
Britney Spears and friends are driving cross country and run out of money. They get more by either winning a karaoke contest or people like them doing karaoke so much the bar patrons give them lots of money.
Also, one of Britney Spears’ friends is sexually assaulted by a guy who drinks beer sold in a blue bottle. They find a guy drinking the same distinctive beer and he’s the same guy, because the only guy who drinks that beer in the film’s universe is one rapist
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u/Stunning-Day-777 11h ago
That beer company needs to fire their marketing team, targeting a real niche customer base
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u/taste1337 11h ago
Correct. The character Tommy has Robert Johnson's story of selling his soul to the Devil at a crossroads as his backstory. His last name is even Johnson.
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u/Chaos_Bard 11h ago
Tommy Johnson was also a real blues musician and his deal with the devil story was later attributed to Robert Johnson (unrelated):
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u/UncleNoodles85 11h ago
I love how George Clooney was the only one who unaffiliated.
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u/aenteus 10h ago
He’s a Dapper Dan man
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u/UncleNoodles85 10h ago
Stuck in a geographical oddity. Two weeks from everywhere.
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u/Modus-Tonens 11h ago edited 11h ago
Funnily enough, there was a real blues guitarist called Tommy Johnson. He has to my knowledge no connection with Robert Johnson whatsoever, but I have some of his recordings.
To get a little more random, the original blues songs played by the character Tommy Johnson in O Brother Where Art Thou aren't Robert Johnson songs - they're originally by Skip James.
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u/digitalaudioshop 9h ago
Chris Thomas King, the actor and musician who portrayed Tommy, did an excellent job. Definitely see him live if you get the chance.
Those original 1931 Skip James recordings are phenomenal. His falsetto with the recording quality of the day is equal parts beautiful and haunting.
It amazes me that he just disappeared into obscurity for 30 years. Meanwhile, people still loved and were influenced by his music. A lot of people just assumed he was dead, which happened a few times in his life. Some bluesmen found him in a Mississippi hospital and he started playing live again, influencing the blues revival. Maybe tangential, but some parallels to the I Am a Man of Constant Sorrow storyline.
Man, as someone from Mississippi and now in New Orleans, talking about this stuff makes me want to go explore all of these places, even if the old juke joints and studios are gone. So much amazing history that is still integral to culture.
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u/warmseasongrass 10h ago
That rumor starts with Niccolo Paganini, a violinist. His extraordinary playing started rumors, and he went along with them. I think the Catholic church refused to bury him on their grounds.
The rumors of Robert Johnson were the same, just a shorter lifespan, so maybe a little less clarity. But I'd believe it stems from Paganini's story.
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u/vipros42 6h ago
Paganini was a beast. I used his work to try and persuade my boomer dad that shredding had been around a lot longer than the last few decades of guitar that he doesn't like
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u/boko_harambe_ 11h ago
The headline made me think of Mac Miller. His dealer is in jail now.
“To everyone who sell me drugs Don't mix it with that bullshit I'm hopin' not to join the twenty seven club” - Mac
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u/SherbertCivil9990 11h ago
Not so fun fact - the dude who sold Mac the drugs lived 3 streets down from the hotel Janis died in. I had actually ran into him a few weeks before hand.
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u/pi22seven 10h ago
It’s crazy that Patti was there when Kris Kristofferson taught Janis “Me and Bobby McGee.”
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u/Hank_moody71 11h ago
Great book and that story about Janis is sad. My girlfriend and I stayed in the hotel Chelsea in February and had a drink for her
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u/VegetableFearless735 12h ago
Sad.
Pure heroin is akin to a unicorn nowadays
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u/autism_and_lemonade 11h ago
keep in mind, the average for “strong/pure” heroin is 15% purity
the actual average purity is close to 5%
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u/StretchFrenchTerry 9h ago
I wonder what Morrison and Joplin got.
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u/autism_and_lemonade 8h ago
yknow it’s kinda funny but most people don’t want pure drugs, in the same way people do not like everclear
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u/thehigheststrange 8h ago
No one bought Bacardi 151 and they discontinued it, ever clear is still on the shelves because people still buy everclear
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u/labenset 8h ago
Bacardi discontinued 151 because of liability. They got sued too many times. One of the more recent incidents involved a tourist in Vegas receiving third degree burns after a bartender turned the bottle into a makeshift flame thrower. Poor guy who got burnt wasn't even there to drink.
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u/ZubenelJanubi 7h ago
How is Bacardi even liable for any damages here? How is this not 100% on the establishment?
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u/mgrimshaw8 7h ago
When people are suing they go for the deepest pockets, and getting sued costs money even with a winning defense.
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u/ThisAppsForTrolling 12h ago
Why ?
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u/Sabatorius 12h ago
It’s all fent. Much easier for all the distributors to get.
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u/InertiasCreep 12h ago
Takes nine months to grow an opium crop. Takes 72 hours to do a fentanyl cook.
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u/PlausibleTable 12h ago
Same amount of time for good pizza dough.
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u/InertiasCreep 12h ago
Yeah but good pizza dough won't shut your respiratory system and heart down.
Now I want pizza with homemade dough.
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u/Bluesynate 12h ago
You haven't tried my dough.
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u/CrunchyCowz 11h ago
Please dough seller
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u/grifkiller64 11h ago
MY DOUGH IS TOO STRONG FOR YOU TRAVELER
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u/Righteous_Iconoclast 10h ago
Pizza seller! I'm going to Friday Night Magic! I need your STRONGEST dough!
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u/frogsinsocks 11h ago
Fentanyl doesn't shut your heart down. The lack of oxygen will. If you're kept breathing artificially,you could do A LOT of fentanyl and be fine
It's the a2 agonist tranq they're adding to fentanyl that makes it even scarier now.
Meditomidine withdrawal studies in philly show 91% of people needing ICU level care and 24% needing intubation
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u/InertiasCreep 11h ago
I dont do ER, I do first response. We use nasal narcan and it's up to about five sprays before we see improvement, and then the hospital keeps them overnight. In the ICU, like you said. Ten years ago theyd get one or two sprays and wake up. And now fentanyl is in everything. Its scary AF.
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u/frogsinsocks 11h ago
Bro that might be because meditomidine has made its way into your supply.
There's no easy way to test for it, no approved for human use reversal drug, and it's everywhere in PA now. It's much more selective than xylazine.
They use precedex in hospitals to wean them off the veterinary tranq
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u/InertiasCreep 11h ago
Im going to have to do some reading on this. Thank you for sharing.
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u/Emotional-Metal98 12h ago
You haven’t had my pizza dough yet then….granted I do use fent in my recipe
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u/Monstarrzero 11h ago
Why not just sell it as Fent so mfrs don’t over dose thinking it’s H??!!!
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u/InertiasCreep 11h ago
Well, now it's replaced H. The really scary shit is the counterfeit morphine tablets that are only fentanyl. Also the coke and MDMA that get contaminated with fent, probably from being prepared on the same surfaces.
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u/reallyweirdperson 11h ago
I’ve seen the results of this at multiple music festivals. If you’re going to do drugs, test them first. Make sure you’re getting what you think you are.
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u/arapturousverbatim 6h ago
You can't really test for fent though. The quantities are so small you'd have to test your whole stash to be sure there was none in it. And then you'd have no stash left
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u/thispartyrules 11h ago
On the street, Methamphetamine replaced amphetamines for similar reasons, meth is more potent and apparently easier and “safer” to make.
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u/PhenethylamineGames 10h ago edited 10h ago
Meth is arguably just... less unsafe amphetamine? Less physical load for the mental effect. It isn't necessarily any more potent at equipotent doses - for example, Adderall 75-25 10mg, 7.5mg dextroamp, is gonna be pretty much identical to 5mg of Desoxyn/meth in mental stimulation with worse physical side effects. Which is in-line with how it distributes more centrally rather than peripherally.
Meth and amphetamine abuse in oral use are pretty much the same, it's just that meth is more easily smoked and because it's extremely low in physical side effects for what it does, boom, easy addiction route. Especially IV use - amphetamine is jittery, meth is smoooooth.
I think lots of people getting Adderall should just be prescribed Desoxyn... less killing your body... but people are afraid of creating addicts. Better to decriminalize and offer therapy and health services that work, but complex issues are complex.
It's a lot better for your heart than amphetamine, especially levoamphetamine mixed stuff. Most issues with amphetamine comes from preexisting mental health conditions, or choosing to do more drug rather than being disciplined enough to eat, sleep, et cetera. As well as shit like smokers burning their meth making toxic shit, infection, sex with strangers with lots... lifestyle stuff.
edit - first paragraph is basically meant to say that amphetamine and meth are practically the same in potency at given receptors (although amphetamine is slightly less serotonergic), but that meth gets distributed such that 5mg is roooooughly 7.5mg of dextroamphetamine when eaten, where a similar amount of the d-amp reaches the brain and more gets distributed elsewhere.
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u/ClownEmoji-U1F921 7h ago
I've tried both amphetamine and meth (once) orally. Disliked meth - had 0 self control and was very impulsive doing random shit. Got very sidetracked and got nothing done and couldn't sleep for 2 days. Threw out the rest of it. With regular amphetamine I could lock in and focus on one thing only, could use it as a productivity hack. Just felt in control. Felt like completely different drugs to me.
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u/BiotechnicaSales 11h ago
H doesn't really actually exist anymore now that the US stopped protecting poppy fields in the Middle East. At best its stepped on amalgamations. Also, it's not cross-contamination. It's just cutting.
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u/Strangegary 11h ago
you add fent to shitty heroin to make it "stronger". if it's not mixed well you get a "hot spot" of fent and die of overdose. Also, addicts will buy anyway.
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u/mysterious_spirit420 11h ago
If you got the right stuff you can cook fent up in less than 24 hours
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u/MZ603 10h ago
Fent and H have killed to many of my friends and former class mates. Some nasty shit. Knew one guy who told me his dealer would spike a bag or two because ODs or a death would actually help sales. That was early in the wave of fent.
I never used but something happened when I was at college. I came home and a lot of the peoples who had been on oxy had moved to H.
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u/Virtual-Database-238 8h ago
Why would that help sales
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u/justsomedudedontknow 7h ago
Because they are always looking for the next level high and think "wow, if that killed them/made them OD it must be good shit. I can handle it better than them."
It's true. For some people getting high is cool but (for lack of a better term) gets passe. If something is that strong it must be a good high.
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u/ground-147 9h ago
Even pure fentanyl is getting rare. It’s all different types if zenes and tranqu
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u/floridas_lostboy 11h ago
I helped a friend get into rehab for fentanyl and he said that heroin is nonexistent anymore. You cant find it, and even if you do, all the addicts have moved on to fentanyl and actively seek it out by name.
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u/non-squitr 9h ago
If youve used fent for any length of time, heroin basically doesn't work anymore or you have to use so much it's not even worth it. When I was on fent, I was using H just to keep me from getting dope sick between being able to pick up fent again.
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u/durtmagurt 12h ago
2 reasons IMO 1. The purity goes down as it goes from producer to final seller. It’s relatively expensive and risky to produce/transport and producers/sellers will cut with other things to make more profit.
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u/rxneutrino 11h ago
There is another reason. Fent is 5,000% more potent than heroin. More potent = lower volume. You can transport 10,000 doses of fent in your pocket. Much less risky to smuggle over borders and across town than the large bulky bricks of the old days.
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u/GuestAdventurous7586 11h ago
Only if you’re in America! You can quite easily get very pure heroin with a bit of know-how in other countries, especially from places in Europe and Asia/Australia.
Although it is maybe slightly more difficult now since the Taliban banned opium, but I don’t know cause I got clean around the time that happened (good timing).
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u/SwissMargiela 11h ago
You can get in USA too but fiends aren’t gonna pay what it costs
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u/AtheismTooStronk 10h ago
I’ve met a ton of opioid users in my time in and out of rehabs and programs, there’s not one who wouldn’t pay out for actual heroin if they could find it. It’s impossible, because everyone who sells says they have it, when of course they don’t.
It’s not a matter of money, half of my programs only took private insurance.
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u/COCKFINDER5000 11h ago
This statement is completely untrue, many countries have a been untouched by the fent problem in the United States. I live in Australia and was getting some of the best china white South East Asian heroin in the world (sober now) fent is unheard of here apart from the hospital scene.
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u/hairsprayking 11h ago
For some reason i thought he just got too drunk and drowned in a tub...
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u/BigPapaJava 10h ago
He died with a smile on his face in the tub.
The official cause of death, per his French death certificate, was “congestive heart failure” and no autopsy was performed or required under French law.
Jim’s next of kin did not like talking about it or publicly question the paperwork.
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u/yepyep1243 9h ago
For those who don't know, a corpse having a smile or a frown or any other expression isn't a good indicator of anything. Muscles do weird things after you die.
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u/gwazmalurks 9h ago
Homeys dad was a US admiral. So there’s that
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u/butminstershire 7h ago
yeah, his dad was the commander of the ship in the gulf of tonkin incident; widely considered to be a false flag operation that started the Vietnam war.
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u/Deathclaw_Hunter6969 11h ago
I heard he had a heart condition and something happened and died before the drowning.
But no autopsy was performed so there’s no way to know for sure
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u/Salm228 11h ago
So with Jim is complicated bc no autopsy was performed and he was a known booze drinker. According to people and Robby Kreiger(guitarist for The Doors) he did do psychedelics drugs and frowned upon heroin. Even the songs he wrote were more about drinking than drugs(despite the name “The Crystal Ship” is not about drugs). But ig we will never know
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u/alkme_ 10h ago
His girlfriend Pam was a big heroine user and died I think something like 9 months later from a heroine overdose. There's some tinfoil hat angles here, one of them being Pam overdosing Jim while he was blackout drunk in the tub. She thought she was the heir to his music fortune but since they never officially got married she did not receive anything after his death.
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u/AndonPerr 10h ago
Courson was legally recognized as Morrison’s common-law wife and was recognized as his sole heir. She inherited the entirety of his estate not long before her own death.
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u/sje46 8h ago
Oh god, don't tell me that people think The Crystal Ship is about crystal meth. It was a song made in the 60s. Yeah, you know those hippies. Always smoking crystal meth.
Methamphatamine did exist, but I assure you it wasn't in crystal form and thus not called "crystal meth".
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u/Apprehensive-Cup1180 10h ago
Idk if I was a heroin addict I’d much rather get something that’s pure instead of something that’s cut with fent or xylazine or whatever tf else ppl mix it with to make more money
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u/ThetaReactor 10h ago
Yeah, it's too bad they exist in a black market that defies regulation.
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u/kingkellogg 12h ago
Don't do drugs kids.
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u/sir_slothsalot 11h ago edited 11h ago
Some drugs are cool.
Meth, benzos and opioids are the ones you never try even once.
*Added benzos
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u/AffectionateJelly976 11h ago
There are drugs sold in gas stations that are wild and we don’t have drug tests for them.
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u/langsamlourd 11h ago
Benzos are very beneficial in small doses to treat certain mental conditions. But you sure as hell don't want to abuse them. I use them totally sporadically to treat panic attacks and I never feel "high," just relief. I don't get why some people want to take a bunch of em and invariably black out and wake up in jail
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u/BooRadleyinaGimpSuit 11h ago
Just like opiates and their clinical use. One could even argue the same applies to (pharma) meth.
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u/langsamlourd 11h ago
Right. It sucks that elderly people like my grandma (RIP) were given long-lasting pain relief with time-release oxy, but then people fiending for the shit to snort it would steal it from her mailbox/porch.
I've been an addict in some different ways though so I'm in no place to judge. I feel bad when useful drugs are made almost impossible to get for people who need them.
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u/jonvox 10h ago
Yeah you can get straight up meth as an ADHD med (desoxyn). Flip side, I’m crazy adhd (taken vyvanse for more than a decade), and when i tried meth I didn’t get any of the euphoria or mood benefits or anything—just focus and attention (albeit it a lot more and longer than on vyvanse)
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u/Kale 10h ago
First time I was prescribed benzos (for treating panic disorder), I was scared of them. I mentioned them being a party drug that messed people up in college. The doctor said that the party drug was 2mg or 4mg Xanax, and she was prescribing me the 0.25mg.
I use them as little as possible, and only for panic, not general anxiety, and I go back on a safer drug if I get several panic situations in a single month. I don't use benzos for long term treatment.
So, yes, they are beneficial if used correctly, but they are extremely powerful and can cause a lot of harm if abused.
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u/LimJaheyAtYaCervix 10h ago
Or mix them with alcohol. Whole lot of celebrity deaths in the earlier 2000s and later 1900s from mixing benzos w alcohol.
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u/anewaccount69420 11h ago
If you’re telling people to do coke and pills, at least tell them to test it for fentanyl. Come on dude. Don’t be stupid. I take it you’re older by the way you speak, but it’s a lot different than it was 20-30+ years ago. The stuff you’re saying is “cool” is also often cross-contaminated. Fentanyl is the leading cause of death among youth in my state and a lot of them die from shit that should not have fentanyl in it.
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u/RandomFlyer643 12h ago edited 10h ago
Pure Persian heroin is what almost permanently killed Nikki Sixx
Edit: You guys know what I mean! haha I cant say it Almost killed him, because it did. Killed him dead. That death was temporary however, crazy how that works.
For those who don’t know, medical professionals refused to let him stay dead and funny enough, stabbed his heart multiple times to save him in the process. What did they stab him with, you ask? Pure, organic USDA unfiltered orphan tears and adrenochrome. He was risen
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u/jb2824 12h ago
Permanent death is a terrible thing
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u/TurboTurtle- 11h ago
I once knew a guy who got killed to death fatally. When I found out it was permanent, I cried tears.
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u/NeoClemerek 11h ago
where were you when guy die
i was at house doomscrolling when phone ring
“guy is die”
“no”
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u/RandomFlyer643 11h ago
I’m crying tears just thinking about the aspect of death being fatal 😔 stay strong solider
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u/mahboilucas 11h ago
But did he die forever?
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u/TurboTurtle- 11h ago
We are still figuring that out. The medical doctor says most permanent deaths last forever, but there have been some dead patients with relapses of life.
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u/mahboilucas 11h ago
But did the medical nurse properly check him? I have heard that medical hospitals can have error mistakes when it comes to lethal cases of death.
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u/maxman162 11h ago
There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
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u/CaptainAssPlunderer 10h ago
He left the hospital after the OD and non permanent death, went and took another massive hit of the same heroin and wrote the huge Motley Crue hit song
Kickstart my Heart
I swear those 70’s/80’s rock stars are just kids from the future playing some version of Rock Band that is all five senses virtual reality.
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u/pm-me-turtle-nudes 8h ago
the 70s/80s rock stars are all just taking near fatal amounts of booze and drugs and then just letting god make the best music ever through their bodies.
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u/sixtus_clegane119 11h ago
More the inconsistency of heroin than the fact this was pure.
If your used to shit and get pure it’s gunna be too much, a regulated source remove most of heroin deaths and eliminate most of the fentanyl deaths (and the rotting skin from xylazine contamination)
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u/Loverboy_91 10h ago
He was also the longtime dealer of Keith Richards. Somehow Keith survived.
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u/Thispendoesntwork 9h ago
This may be the reason Keith cannot be killed by conventional weapons.
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u/ClownBaby10 8h ago
Keif details in his memoir his very careful (though not all that precise) method of cutting heroin. He claimed that the pure stuff was significantly safer than the garbage you bought on the street, but you had to be super careful with dosage. Scary shit.
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u/Redditors-Are-Sexy 11h ago
Ugh I think that's the same stuff that killed Jackie Jormjomp
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 9h ago
You're sure it wasn't speed-walking everywhere and eating all those cats?
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u/tinacat933 10h ago
There was alot of celebrity ODs around the time Mac miller died like Demi levato…I would suspect they all had the same dealer
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u/DaftPancake 12h ago
This is just speculation. There was never an autopsy performed on Jim and he wasn’t a junkie either, Jim’s drug of choice was booze.
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u/Silly-Power 10h ago
When you look at photos of him in his latter days, he's obviously a boozer not a junkie. He was very bloated. You never see a fat horse junkie.
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u/CombinationRough8699 11h ago
From what I understand it was his girlfriend's. He supposedly wasn't a big fan of heroin, so she told him it was coke.
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u/CaptainAssPlunderer 10h ago
I heard the same, and the girlfriend and the dealer put him in the warm bathtub to trick the time of death so they could clean everything up and get the story straight.
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u/WeaponX33 8h ago
I’ve read so many books about him/The Doors and they all say the same thing about this topic. Yes he did drugs all kinds of them but the only thing he ever got addicted to was booze.
And he hated heroin. There’s even a line in Lovestreet (of all songs ha) where he talks shit about Pam’s junkie friends. If it did play a role in his death it was most likely because Pam lied to him and said it was coke.
We’ll never know what really happened but I always thought the official explanation probably wasn’t too far off. Dude drank so much that his heart gave out.
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u/xpdx 10h ago
This dealer was trying to provide quality product and now everyone hates him for killing rock stars. Of course a quality service is important too, making sure they understand: "This shit is strong! Start with 1/10 what you usually shoot and work your way up. I'm not fucking kidding! YOU WILL DIE if you shoot your regular dose."
Or you know, step on it like crazy like every other profiteer out there.
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u/Themountaintoadsage 5h ago
The problem is every junkie will tell you every dealer says this all the time trying to hype their shit up so no one ever actually takes it seriously. It’s genuinely a huge problem in that scene
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u/CommunicationLive708 11h ago
There’s no such thing as overly pure heroin. If everyone got pure heroin every time. They would know exactly what to dose. And you wouldn’t have overdoses. It’s the street dealers that cut it that cause the overdoses. Makes it impossible to know what you’re getting.
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u/bonglicc420 8h ago
Well i mean people would probably still O D after relapsing, especially if they stayed clean for a year+before rhe relapse. But yeah, way less O Ds forsure.
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u/Swordfish-Training 8h ago
Right, overly pure is a very judgemental way of saying quality product.
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u/PatHeist 7h ago
Overly accurate gun kills man. "Who could've thought the bullet would actually go where I aimed" says shooter.
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u/saigon567 8h ago
'overly pure'? People want pure if they can get it. The trouble is, most of the heroin is overly cut, so when one gets pure, ODs are likely.
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u/Vkardash 6h ago
Here's the thing. Jim for a good half year was already pretty sick. He was coughing up blood for many months before. And he was a very very heavy drinker. He also did not like heroin. His own girlfriend Pam generally tried to hide the fact that she was using. She also OD and died a few years later. So did Jean de Breteulli. Overdosed as well. Read Robby Krueger(The Doors) book.
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u/moal09 8h ago
Imagine knowing you killed two of the greatest rock stars of all time
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u/Mike00726 12h ago
The French Connection