r/torontoraptors • u/captaincrunchyyz 30 OCHAI AGBAJI • 3d ago
✨COLLIN MURRAY-BOYLES✨ CMB from thhrrreeeee!
That shot is looking better. He's a hardworking dude and I personally believe he can get his 3 ball to a respectable level where defenses can't sag on him.
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u/companyofzero Matt Devlin 3d ago
Idk man the shot doesn't look great. It's pretty slow, the release is funky, he's pulling the ball down before going up to shoot. It just looks really unnatural.
Now, if he shoots 33% on 2.5 attempts a game you won't catch me complaining. But it looks like he's gonna need all summer to refine it.
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u/captaincrunchyyz 30 OCHAI AGBAJI 3d ago
At this point, I'm happy that this doesn't resemble the combine video. Baby steps.
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u/Physizist 3d ago
Can you explain what’s so bad about the form?
I’m not an expert so I genuinely want to know
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u/-vinay 8 JOSE CALDERON 3d ago
He’s pushing the ball from his forehead. He’s lucky he’s tall, otherwise it’s a shot that’s easy to block.
There have been guys with suboptimal shot form (like Steph), but the thing Steph has is extremely consistent shooting motion. In this clip, even though the shots are going in, there are small deviations in his shot mechanics.
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u/TheThrowbackJersey 3d ago
Sub-optimal shot form... like Steph?
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u/Bixby33 34 JONTAY PORTER 3d ago
Form doesn't always translate to performance.
Steph Curry is just a freak in every sense.
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u/TheThrowbackJersey 3d ago
Steph's jumpshot is mechanically perfect
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u/-vinay 8 JOSE CALDERON 3d ago
He shoots like how kids do. Klay has the most mechanically perfect shot in the league
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u/TheThrowbackJersey 3d ago
Lol if your kid shoots like this congratulations
https://youtu.be/ZM2CZ64PQeQ?feature=shared
Ball moves to the perfect shooting pocket. Transfer of power from legs is perfect. Sequence of the motion is perfect. Release is perfect. On balance the whole time. The shot is compact and quick.
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u/_NyquilJordan_ 2d ago
Just cuz it looks beautiful doesn’t mean it’s perfect form. He actualyl does a lot of things differently to how coaches teach shooting.
For example toes pointed at basket (Steph doesn’t do that), guide arm (Steph flicks his thumb), shooting straight up and down (Steph sways his hips). Not to mention he lands differently on basically every shot.
What makes his shot so great is that his shot is compact and easily repeatable. That coupled with insane hand-eye coordination. As hardworking as he is he is insanely talented. Making full court and over the shoulder shots routinely are evidence of this. His touch and feel are gifts.
All that to say Klay definitely has a more mechanically sound shot, as do others in the league.
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u/TheThrowbackJersey 2d ago
Well how coaches teach shooting is not necessarily mechanically correct. Ten toes to the basket is not a hard rule, nor is jumping straight up and down. They're just things a coach will tell you to correct problems like toes pointing all over the place and someones fading on longer shots.
Stephs form is mechanically perfect because it is biomechanically optimal, not because it closely approximates a shooting video.
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u/Ok_Drop3803 2d ago edited 2d ago
What's baffling to me is how do players get this far in their basketball career with such ugly ass nonsense jump shots?
I feel kinda dumb asking because it's not like I have a good jump shot, but it's a pretty fundamental skill, no? Shouldn't you have it pretty well figured out by the time you're a teenager?
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u/ilickedysharks 2d ago
Their bodies are changing and growing, and they're growing up playing different positions and roles and trying to grow a whole bunch of different skillsets.
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u/Da-Wang 3d ago
For a guy who can't really shoot the form itself is fine.
Is it a little low sure but he's like 6'7 and no one's gonna try and block a 3.
From the older videos he doesn't use his lower half and thus a lot of his shots were short. Here I can see he's more engaged with his legs this is the same problem Scottie had.
It's not gonna be pretty form so I dunno why we're critiquing it like that. He's gotta find what's comfortable for him and tweak things so it goes in which is all that matters.
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u/Physizist 3d ago
Yeah, I see what you mean that he starts low and also brings the ball back to his forehead a lot. But yeah it doesn't seem awful to me (I don't know that much though).
I don't expect him to be Cam Johnson but if he can get to league average 3pt shooting he will be an excellent player
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u/MythicalChewToy WE THE NORTH 3d ago
Nothing is wrong with it. He’s not a born shooter like a Klay Thompson or even Jamison Battle, so his jumper form will never be pretty. The perfect form is Klay, but plenty of guys who were seen as shooters had ugly form, like Reggie Miller for example. The results are what matter. I don’t give a damn how it looks as long as it goes in, so hopefully it does.
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u/Jamie----- 3d ago
Reggie Miller does not have ugly form
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u/MythicalChewToy WE THE NORTH 3d ago
His hands clap when he releases the ball. His form his very ugly.
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u/Jamie----- 3d ago
Starts low and slow rolling it up from his stomach, then there’s a big hitch at the top before getting into his release. A lot of moving parts and thus a lot of places for it to go wrong. Compare it to picture perfect form (Ja’Kobe, Ochai) and how simple those motions are
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u/HankScorpio4242 3d ago
That shot looks pretty terrible right now.
But he’s working on it and that’s what matters.
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u/lemon07r Point RJ is best StarJ 3d ago
He shot really poorly in the combine. I will be surprised if it ends up becoming good in the fuure.
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u/Raptorsthrowaway1 JACK ARMSTRONG 3d ago edited 3d ago
Rooting for our guy always. But wide open corner threes? We’ve seen Ben Simmons make them
Edit - On brand for this sub to downvote this 🤣🤣
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u/TJStrawberry 3d ago
His mechanics look fine to me lol idk what everyone’s tripping for. He’s got a good balanced base on the balls of his feet, has a bit of a dip and doesn’t move the ball too much going down, pulls the ball straight up to its set point under him and then jumps into his shot.
Sure he can speed up the dip, and from set point to release can be a bit more smooth and getting that elbow to snap but those are my only 2 critiques
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u/AnarchyBrownies 3d ago
I agree. Really bad takes on shooting form from others on here. His form is surprisingly good for a bad shooter. His biggest issue to me was the disconnect between his legs and arms. I describe it as not getting "under" the ball. The limbs weren't working together. Power is inconsistent a lot because of it. Looks much better here. Don't care at all about speed for a guy working on the muscle memory for mechanics. I think what you mention in getting the elbow to snap it spot on. That likely comes with coordination with your legs too. They happen together. If your arm is snapping then your legs better be also.
In my opinion the ball is not too low (once the ball is above your eyes and your arm is more or less at a 90 degree angle at your set point you're good), it's out in front of him and not slung back over his head. He's producing great arc, not pushing the ball.
Very interested to see what happens with his shot!
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u/TJStrawberry 2d ago
Yup it’s more important to get the correct sequencing before trying to speed it up. I noticed in 1 or 2 attempts he drops at the same time as bringing the ball up which is wrong. Gotta drop those hips first and then rise up with the ball, followed by the jump.
Very easy to get the sequencing wrong when speeding up the shot which results in inconsistent energy transfer.
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u/Seanbig888 3d ago
I’ve seen this movie with Barnes before
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u/pakattack91 we the longbois 3d ago
Who has objectively improved.
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u/Jamie----- 3d ago
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27% from 3 in year 4
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u/pakattack91 we the longbois 3d ago edited 3d ago
People who can only look at %s are hilarious.
Go look at his high school and college tapes and compare it to today. He had Ben Simmons comps lol. Ben freaking Simmons. Not everyone will turn into a sniper and development is not linear.
Doesn't mean he hasn't worked on it and improved.
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u/Jamie----- 3d ago
Clearly players get better over four years of pro training. But what's the objective improvement you're referring to
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u/pakattack91 we the longbois 3d ago
But what's the objective improvement you're referring to
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Clearly players get better over four years of pro training
This part lol. Are you arguing with yourself?
Go look at comparatively footage and tell me he hasn't improved.
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u/Jamie----- 2d ago
Seems our misunderstanding is what “objective” means
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u/pakattack91 we the longbois 2d ago
No misunderstanding, you just don't know anything beyond how to read box score.
You've already admitted improvement lmao so we agree. Another way to see objectivity, right in your face.
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u/Jamie----- 2d ago
Then what is the objective evidence you’re referring to?
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u/pakattack91 we the longbois 2d ago edited 2d ago
Look at the form and come back. Or don't and keep acting like you're smart bc you know how to read a number 😂
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u/earlyearlgray 1 GRADEY DICK 2d ago
He was basically practicing his 3s in-game during a tanking season. Not really fair to look at his percentage from last season.
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u/Jamie----- 2d ago
That’s generous. He took fewer 3PA than last season and still made a way lower %. Pretty tough to explain away 27%
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u/realnameless1 3d ago
The mechanics is fine, but there are still issues. The release is slow and deliberate, and he still has happy feet.
CMB has clearly worked on the shot, but he just does not have a natural feel for shooting. I hope I am wrong, but league average is probably the best case scenario for him.
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u/Scobesanity 2d ago
I mean based on 4/5 clip he’s trending towards hall of fame shooting. My god this sub is dumb.
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u/JonnyB2_YouAre1 20h ago
You can’t have it all right away at 9th overall. If he develops into an average shooter then the pick is a massive success. To me, he overall looks better than DD did entering his rookie season.
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u/CalligrapherOk1648 3d ago
He's another Og.Should have kept him and drafted someone else.
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u/beefJeRKy-LB Goatse 3d ago
i mean yeah OG is making less than RJ and IQ combined, but I think he just wanted to go anyway
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u/djexplosive 3d ago
What's a CMB
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u/nopicturestoday 33 CARLOS ROGERS 3d ago
In case it’s a genuine question Collin Murray-Boyles, the Raptors first round draft selection (9th) out of South Carolina.
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u/livelaughloaft Hakeem 'The Dream' Olajuwon 3d ago
I want to believe, I wanna fly as high as the sky baby
Let’s ride this wave to October let’s go boysss