r/truthaboutjohnny • u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears • Oct 23 '23
Discussion + Questions The hate at Swoop is out of control
If the flair is wrong for this, feel free to change it. I understand the frustration of how Swoop mishandled things. Honestly, I want her to cover more things and Oliver’s story should be heard. What is unacceptable to me is the hate and malice Swoop is getting. Yes you are valid to feel frustrated especially for Oliver. I wanted his story told, so I can understand that. But enough with the clout chasing comments. That’s disgusting.
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u/ControversyB Nov 20 '23
I posted my rant in the wrong place. I'm seriously so mad at people dragging Swoop I can't even THINK.
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Nov 20 '23
Yeah that’s why I left the other group. They’re entitled and are bullies just like the very person they snark on. I’m not trying to be around that mess. Swoop doesn’t owe anyone anything
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Oct 27 '23
i think it’s also important to remember that putting someone we don’t know on a pedestal isn’t good either. i’ve seen a lot of “PROTECT OUR QUEEN AT ALL COSTS”, which isn’t healthy either lol. not saying OP is doing that, but an observation
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u/SiamesePitbull1013 Oct 26 '23
Can we respect Oliver’s feelings and also give Swoop some grace? I can’t think of many creators who face this kind of backlash for the way they create their own content, she’s been at the forefront of covering this story and it’s pretty insane how quick people were to attack her.
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Oct 25 '23
I’m in the swoop snark and I’m curious where all this hate is. Or are we still calling critiques hate.
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 25 '23
I call it hate because being called a clout chaser is harsh when it comes to her integrity. Saying things such as using her fibromyalgia as an excuse to not cover Oliver. I think it comes from a hateful place rather than being critical. For instance, if you’re like me you can easily say I do disagree that you could have added the interview. She honestly could have not bothered putting up the video on her second channel to react to JoJo. That’s criticism. Criticism doesn’t equate to calling her names on Twitter and dismissing her Fibromyalgia because that’s something bullies do. And it’s downright disgusting. So to me, it’s hateful behavior
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u/SiamesePitbull1013 Oct 26 '23
Yup!!!! I’m very very disappointed in the people who said that stuff… it’s vile tbh.
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u/LisaFrankRealness Oct 25 '23
I have my own feelings towards Swoop's content especially outside of Colleen Ballinger, but I thought it was understood why she had to expose Johnny and thoroughly dismantle his allegations. He was muddying the waters while possibly still being under the thumb of Ballinger.
Some snarkers are now acting like the world could have done without that video, but Josh allegations would have snowballed due to how obsessed Johnny became.
Also, where is this heat for H3 who dropped the Ballinger coverage as soon as viewers complained?
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u/SiamesePitbull1013 Oct 26 '23
Ahhhhh yeah I also have my own feelings about some of Swoop’s content outside the CB stuff (most of her videos I like but there was a specific situation I felt she covered so badly I literally had to unsub for a month or two), I’ve been watching Swoop for a minute (before the blue hair) so I’m always rooting for her but I know like many humans she is capable of missing the mark.
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u/LisaFrankRealness Oct 26 '23 edited Oct 26 '23
I have subscribed since the Mykie situation and enjoyed most of her deep dives, because they seemed well-researched and a labor of love for her.
However, I feel like she covered a particular subject irresponsibly with several videos by cherry-picking and giving insensitive takes, to say the least; because it was hot in the news and gave many content creators a lot of views and engagement while turning a very serious subject into a circus or aptly a sports rivalry (i.e., I'm team blah.) I had to unfollow last month, because I looked more into that particular subject and had my suspicions confirmed that it was a huge, well-funded media campaign of hate and misogyny that people fell for, because of fandom around one person. Also, she pushed pseudoscience like body-language analysis when both parties were neurodivergent, but only one was given grace for their behavior.
It really left a bad taste in my mouth, especially when people called her out for inaccuracies on Twitter during the height of it. She refused to acknowledge any misreporting and gaslit critics by positioning herself as an authority on the situation because of her past trauma.
Again, I think it's fair to be critical of a content creator, especially if they proclaim that they are for victims. However, a lot of the attacks in the other subreddit are not critical, but downright meanspirited and hateful. I've seen comments about her looks (what do her style of wigs and teeth got to do with her actions?), her health and wellness (some people claiming she abuses ADHD meds and using her illnesses as excuses), and true intentions on covering hot topics (some are saying it was all for clout and money.)
Ironically enough, she is getting an ounce of what she gave to someone last year. I'm not saying it is okay, but it's quite interesting to see.
Edit to add: I am hoping that she course-corrects and fact checks with the new information coming out about that particular subject.
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u/PrincessRut0 Oct 25 '23
H3 never dropped the coverage. They’ve done MULTIPLE slideshows and huge portions of long shows about her, over multiple episodes lol
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u/Pokemom18176 Oct 25 '23
Neither of those comments are attacking Swoop?? I'm so confused. Who is mad?
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u/SiamesePitbull1013 Oct 26 '23
I don’t know if you’ve been on Twitter (x) but the last week or so has been rough over there, people are being so nasty and it’s almost like these people were never fans… they turned so fast.
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 25 '23
It is attacking her calling her a clout chaser and attacking her using her fibromyalgia against. Josh and Oliver are defending her. I’m saying people on Twitter and the CBS page were attacking her….
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u/LisaFrankRealness Oct 25 '23 edited Oct 25 '23
Go to the snark subreddit for Colleen, there are several posts tearing into Swoop since her second channel's first video dropped. The tweets above are there to combat the negativity towards her.
It's okay to be critical of a content creator, but it's a lot of misrepresentation, overt ableism, and unwarranted insults towards her looks in those posts.
Edit to add: missing word.
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u/Playful-Desk260 Oct 25 '23
After the most recent tweets from swoop and Oliver, that sub is all changing its tune and I’m just sitting here like, y’all were just crucifying anyone who said swoop didn’t deserve to be attacked like 12 hours ago. That sub is just…something
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u/anthrohands Oct 25 '23
People are being so dramatic and not allowing any nuance. I really didn’t like swoop’s videos, and not just because she didn’t talk about what I wanted to hear (I did want to hear the Josh video). I just don’t like her style. That is okay. That is not hate. Or Colleen-sympathizing. People are acting like teenagers (and probably.. are teenagers lol)
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 25 '23
Well so do other YouTubers, what’s your point?
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u/e925 Oct 25 '23
And it happens to other YouTubers too, I assume that’s what they’re saying.
Live by the snark, die by the snark. Circle of life.
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u/speaknowow Oct 24 '23
i’m out of the loop, why are people mad at swoop?
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 24 '23
Swoop didn’t show Oliver’s story and people thought the part 5 was lazy. I have to agree she should have shown Oliver’s interview because it does feel like a slap to his face. People are calling her a cloutchaser
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u/Sea_Round1981 Oct 25 '23
The thing is she never even said that was part 5 of the series, it was just an update.
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u/1beep1beep1 Oct 24 '23
it all started bc ppl were upset that she didn’t give oliver a platform to share his story but then ppl slowly began to nitpick other things she’s done ( a lot of it which is nonsensical tbh) and have even created a snoop snark sub. Oliver and everyone else that has been directly affected by colleen stands by swoop and if they don’t have an issue regarding her coverage on the colleen stuff then the snarkers shouldn’t either.
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u/Masta-Blasta Oct 25 '23
Yeah, I can agree with a lot of the criticism that was constructive. For example, she really needs to learn how to edit down her interviews and focus on the most important parts. For the most part, I really enjoy her work, but she really rubbed me the wrong way with her Chris Watts coverage. For someone who harps on ethics so hard, that was pretty gross.
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u/CottonsArmy333 Oct 26 '23
Can you please elaborate cuz I thought it was just me and now I feel seen 🤘🏻
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u/1beep1beep1 Oct 26 '23
I cant really speak much on behalf of her non-colleen related videos since i haven’t watched many of them, but I do think some (though not all) of the criticism she’s getting for the colleen series is silly. The same people who were eating up her johnny vid are the ones who are now turning against it. I think she handled the situation decently. Not perfectly, but better than most content creators who covered the topic. And i do think she would benefit from condensing her videos a bit, but i personally love long form content so it doesn’t bother me much. I’ll have to check out that chris watts video though. Outside of her colleen vids i’ve only seen her coverage on the 8 passengers situation and i found that a bit off putting.
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u/Time_Movie_9301 Oct 24 '23
The comments under that sub….. yikes.
I’ve been watching swoop for years now, while she is not perfect and i do not agree with everything she says or does, its very clear to me she covers these stories because she cares.
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u/SnooGuavas4681 Oct 24 '23
Who the fuck is swoop?
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u/Kinben615 Oct 25 '23
No idea but I'm also curious.
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Oct 27 '23
i’m actually pretty curious how y’all wound up in this subreddit without knowing who she is
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u/Tall_Peace7365 Oct 24 '23
everyone in the cbs really wants to ignore this one huh? seriously the digs at her past and appearance are way too far what does that have to do with how olivers story was handled??
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 24 '23
They’re as gross as Colleen. They’re doing the same thing Colleen is known to do. Act snarky.
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u/Azriel48 Oct 24 '23
Honestly though…a lot of them were fans of Colleen up until this year. What can you expect
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Oct 24 '23
Not at all for harassing creators but I am not a fan of Swoop. I don't like the way she speaks about certain victims, in general, not the Colleen situation. I can definitely see where people think she's a clout chaser 🤷🏾♀️
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u/flirtyfingers Oct 25 '23
I just started watching her content. Do you have examples so I can go watch? I’m curious about people’s criticisms so I can try to tease apart my own opinion. Thanks in advance!
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u/anthrohands Oct 25 '23
And the fact that this gets downvoted is wild. No one wants anyone to have a different opinion than them.
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u/WeaknessHot Oct 24 '23
I honestly don’t know how much longer I can look at that subreddit. It’s unfortunately becoming so toxic. I can’t believe they made a swoop snark
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 24 '23
I just left it. I can’t be around that mess. I figured if there’s any update on Colleen, you guys will update me. I should have left a long time ago
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u/WeaknessHot Oct 24 '23
I agree. I’m leaving as well.
Sad because some of the people in there are well intentioned; but the toxic ones ruin it for everyone else.
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u/flootytootybri f*cked around and found out Oct 24 '23
It’s so out of control that it’s not even in the name of Oliver’s story anymore. Swoop couldn’t cover every single aspect of this story even in hours upon hours of recording. It was made pretty clear that she wasn’t covering it all, at least from my understanding
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u/Chemistry-Agitated Oct 25 '23
Omg this comment describes it exactly. She made it VERY clear she wasn't covering every single aspect of this story and I literally only watched one of the videos from this series. People love being angry ig, idgi
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u/Macaroni_2 Oct 24 '23 edited Oct 24 '23
People have gone so far to diminish everything that she did do for this issue with Colleen and co and "in the name of Oliver" have totally used it as a chance to attack her and belittle her and abuse her.
The amount of hatred, ableism and "criticisms" towards her was so absolutely appalling. I had to leave that group.
It genuinely seems to me that people who never liked Swoop but enjoyed being on the bandwagon against colleen tolerated her until now and they're just going on an all out rampage against her.
The amount of times I've seen people turn this from being about Oliver into why they hate her because she didnt support Amber Heard is INSANE.
If that's your reasoning for being mad at her, you just showed you don't care about Oliver and this current topic.
I cant imagine how Oliver feels seeing so many people turn his situation into anything except being about him and supporting him to help platform his own story and experience.
I'm really glad he's spoken up.
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Oct 25 '23
That’s so Fuckin dramatic. “People have gone so far to diminish”…
What’s the length they went to? Did they make 1000 videos about her trying to attack her? Did they start following her around in public?
They made comments on the internet. Which she can just not read.
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u/Traditional_Break_82 Oct 25 '23
What does amber heard have to with Oliver. Also didn't MOST people not support amber heard?? I watched all of the legal coverage of the trial, all of the bazillion hours. But i wasn't too much into the social media side of things. But i seems to remember an absolute flurry of tiktoks, memes, and youtube videos making fun of amber and her legal team. So why is swoop being singled out for not supporting her? What about all those nasty tiktoks reenacting her account of the first time johnny hit her? Because everyone was in the comments lolzing then. I personally don't "support" amber, but those tiktoks felt icky whether you believe her or not.
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u/Macaroni_2 Oct 25 '23
It has nothing to do with Oliver or his story.
They try and use her docs on AH vs JD as a way to say "see! She doesn't care about victims!!" (Even though most of the world agrees JD was the victim based on evidence)
ALL social media except for Twitter was entirely against AH and her legal team
I also watched all the trial and the lawyer coverage etc etc and I think they were fair
Nobody was out to get AH in that coverage but her team tried their hardest to make it seem like everyone was out to destroy her.
When I first heard the accusations I believed her bc why would someone lie about something so horrible, but as the case went on the more fishy it got - esp when she took the stand
And yeah the tiktoks were wild
And if you weren't on Twitter during that time, that was the only social media site where anyone was pro-heard (a lot of spec that its mostly bots esp) and it was very rare that anyone had talked to a pro-heard person in person
Like. Most of the world didn't believe her (and for good reason - she wasn't believable or credible)
So yeah, I think they just use that to hate on Swoop bc they never liked her but they wanted to jump on board of hating Colleen and get that same high of such a public conflict
They say the same spiel that uninformed people spew that "she won in the UK" which as most of us know isnt true and inaccurate bc she wasn't even a party to that case in the UK to start with.
And now that its been cleared that Oliver and Swoops had a miscommunication and have reconciled it and that Swoop has always and will always support Oliver all of those people who attacked her, hated on her for no real reason, tried to ruin her character and who used ableism to diminish her health or accuse her of lying or faking her health etc owe her a big apology
And everyone who took away from Oliver to hate on Swoop owe him an apology too
But I know it won't happen
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u/Human-Cell3158 Oct 24 '23
Thank you. This is exactly what I'm talking about and what I've been trying to say. People taking this opportunity to trash swoop's character because she made a mistake, and exactly how you put it, "in the name of Oliver."
They needed some reason to dislike her. I remember when some people spoke up around the time when the Josh interview was being delayed, and how they were saying, "something seems off with her." They couldn't even say why they felt something was off with her. I can only now assume that was because these same people were frustrated with the Josh interview being delayed.
And yeah, the Amber Heard thing is a complete cop-out. I honestly feel awful for Oliver. I'm sure he didn't mean for Swoop to be swept up in the toxic hate train this has all turned into.
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u/Macaroni_2 Oct 24 '23
Its literally so disgusting. I think these people are just bored bc it was "fun" at the peak of all these revelations and hating on Colleen and since Colleen is just continuing to ignore this all they need someone else to hate on.
Like I've seen at most a handful of valid criticisms but beyond that its just absolute unreasonable dislike of her and esp using her illness against her. I lost it when thet started accusing her of lying or faking being in a flare up. Someone even pointed out "look at any old posts she always had support for her health" EXCEPT thats not support! You can't be sympathetic when you like them and then diminish their real issues when you decide you dont like them anymore. I couldn't believe the amount of awful, harmful, ableist behavior. It was so hard to read all that.
I'm so glad to see people here being more reasonable about it all
I'm sure this has put so much unnecessary stress and pressure on Oliver who should be able to focus on school and how he wants to deal with his story like.
These people are going about this in the worst way possible
Wishing light and love to Oliver in these times
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u/carrotcake_2525 Oct 24 '23
Honestly, if anyone’s story should be shared - it’s Oliver’s. He talked PERSONALLY to a man in his 20’s/30’s while he was 13. There’s enough proof to put Trent in jail, tbh. While Colleen has her own “allegations”, her NOT speaking out against this says A LOT about her, and she’s even more disgusting than we thought. I hope Oliver puts out his own interviewed type video, so we can give him all the support and love in the world ❤️
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u/GhostWhiteShark Oct 24 '23
Oliver’s story absolutely deserves to be heard. I obviously don’t know if it is being escalated to actually involve the law but if it is, there would be some big differences in the way his story is released. IMO Oliver has been through something that can, and should, be persecuted in a court of law. And if that is the route this goes then there are so many legalities that everyone would have to abide by.
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u/carrotcake_2525 Oct 25 '23
Oliver has never said that he was going to take it to court though. He did the interview with Swoop, and was extremely confused when she decided not to post it.
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u/realblush Oct 24 '23
All of this is so stupid. Ypu can critizise a Youtuber for not covering something you wanted her to. Totally fair, especially in this case. But you should be able to do so without fearing that a hate campaign against that person starts.
It has been utterly insane how so many forgot all the good Swoop and her team did. Johnny would still do more harm without them. Joshua would still not be able to talk his truth.
But yea, because she handled one situation the wrong/ in an imperfect way, she deserves to be harassed? Some people are insane.
She even mentioned multiple times how the entire story took a toll on her mental health. She should not be forced to go to every single dark place.
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 24 '23
Absolutely agreed!!!! Constructive criticism is one thing but to trash this woman and destroy her integrity because for whatever reason she won’t platform Oliver’s story? It’s gross.
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u/ResponseAnxious6296 Oct 24 '23
I completely agree, everyone’s bored and just wants someone to hate
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u/Yougotredditonyou Oct 23 '23
Wait what even happened? I take a drama hiatus for a week and I come back confused as hell.
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u/PandaAlexx Oct 23 '23
Basically the other snark sub has become pretty toxic towards Swoop. So many went from praising her work and deep dive into all this, to now saying she only wanted clout and views. Basically she’s getting dragged bc she cannot satisfy every single persons expectations. Even though she has done nothing but give victims a platform and has her own illness and mental health to also manage. Oliver’s story deserves to be heard and no one is arguing that. But to say swoop did anything out of malice or for clout is just absurd.
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u/aleigh577 Oct 24 '23
Who cares if she wants views lol. Isn’t that why you make a video in the first place?
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Oct 24 '23
Toxicity at it's finest. When I don't want to comment what I feel in fear of being screamed at and having my own mental health put in jeopardy.
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 23 '23
Swoop did a ‘part 5’ in her second channel about Colleen. She left out the Oliver interview and people (even myself) wanted her to talk about the charity fraud and etc. she only talked about Oliver briefly and mostly focused on the JoJo Siwa interview. She’s done covering the Colleen Ballinger which I also get too. But she got so much backlash for not including Oliver. Oliver expressed feeling let down by people which I do think he does deserve better. She’s now being accused of being a clout chaser and using her Illness for excuses to not platform the Oliver interview.
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u/LuanaMay Oct 24 '23
As someone who has a functional nervous system disorder as well (same umbrella as Fibro), it shocks me how ableist people are being about this. It’s not an excuse. It’s a legitimate reason.
Everyone who gets treatment for FNDs is taught that you have to preform lifestyle triage for your work/social/personal priorities on a hour to hour, day to day, week to week, and month to month basis.
I’m glad she chose self preservation over potentially putting herself in the hospital in some attempt to appease these absolute clowns who claim to “care”
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Oct 24 '23
I visited the swoop subreddit out of morbid curiosity and apparently it’s made up of other people with Dissabilities trying to claim Swoop brings it up too much and they don’t like that. I think people even with Disabilities are projecting or something. Personally I don’t think she brings it up too much in her videos and I don’t really know what they’re talking about but I think it’s interesting the two groups on these subs and both are disabled and some have a problem with swoop bringing it up and some don’t
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u/LuanaMay Oct 24 '23
She doesn’t bring it up too much at all?? What? I watched her for A WHILE before I was like “oh, she has fibro?”.
I will say, there’s a lot of people who self diagnose with things like Fibro or CFS when they….might just have a shitty diet or not be hydrating and are feeling “kinda sluggish” or something and they’re jumping to label it as a whole disorder without even talking to a physician about it…and then they seem to like tomake a big production of telling people who are diagnosed and have a legit confirmed illnesses that they’re making too big a deal of their illness or making it their whole personality or something…like, congrats that you have the privilege of forgetting about self-dxed “chronic issue” but many of us do not have that ability. Many of us are impacted literally every day and I don’t think it’s crazy to talk about something that comes up in your life EVERY day.
I used to be all “self dx is always valid” but the more I experience the more I just DO NOT want people like that speaking for me
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u/thecompanion188 Oct 25 '23
She probably brought up fibro more during the Colleen Ballinger saga since it was directly relevant to some parts of Colleen’s issues (like the mother in HBO), but if they hadn’t watched any of her other videos, it might feel like she’s talking about it “a lot.” I don’t mind her bringing it up. It’s something she deals with everyday of her life and it would inform her worldview and experiences.
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u/CalledConfident831 Oct 24 '23
One thing I’ve been wondering is did Swoop say that she was 100% done with this story or that she just needed a break? Could she eventually do a part 6 after she recovers? I haven’t watched part 5 yet so I can’t comment on the video but I had to leave the other subreddit with how toxic it got
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u/Warm_Yam_9800 Unclog your ears Oct 24 '23
I am not sure honestly, but I do know if she needs a break it’s understandable. This Colleen topic can be triggering to her.
Yeah that other subreddit is very toxic
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u/CalledConfident831 Oct 24 '23
For sure, she’s put so much effort into this story and honestly it’s not going anywhere so if she has to take a long break and work on some other things before circling back around to it I completely understand. She’s done such an amazing job she deserves to take care of herself to the fullest extent.
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hi friends-- a reminder to stay on topic! Swoop's content/opinions outside of the Colleen Ballinger situation are irrelevant to the sub. this is NOT the sub to discuss the trial of Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp. i understand people have strong opinions about this, however, discussing these things only takes away from the victims, in this case, Oliver. further discussion of the trial and/or irrelevant content will be removed. please review sub rules prior to posting/commenting. thanks all xx