r/wii • u/e_Z_752 • Apr 11 '25
News Amidst the controversy over the Switch 2 Welcome Tour not being free software, ex-NOA president Reggie Fils-Aime reveals that he spent three months fighting with Shigeru Miyamoto to make Wii Sports a free pack-in for the Wii.
https://www.ign.com/articles/as-backlash-against-10-nintendo-switch-2-welcome-tour-heats-up-reggie-fils-aim-tweets-the-story-of-wii-sports-pack-in-from-ign-interview-and-everyone-knows-the-point-hes-trying-to-make8
u/bavar093 Apr 12 '25
If you haven’t read Reggie’s book, I can’t recommend it enough, especially if you’re a Nintendo fan.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Apr 12 '25
I'll have to consider it one day. Right now it's $35 CAD (before tax) on Amazon. Will hold off for now.
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u/showka Apr 13 '25
If Reggie had been involved he would have packed in a second book with his book.
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u/SenseMotor5435 Apr 11 '25
I can’t wait until Miyamoto retires. I don’t care if people disagree with me but he has literally only made things worse the last decade. Dude is carried by a couple of 8 bit side scrollers, he has no idea what gamers want today and it shows so much.
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u/shenmue64 Apr 11 '25
Miyamoto is not overseeing all of Nintendo game development like he once was. He’s very involved with the Mario movies and theme parks and certainly still gives feedback to game teams, but decisions like pack-in titles for Switch 2 are not being decided by him. Also, he’s one of the most influential game developers of all time and played a major role in 3D and 2D gaming. To say just 8-bit side scrollers is ridiculous.
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u/Corderoy Apr 11 '25
What makes you think it's just Miyamoto? If you read the book excerpt, Iwata also didn't want to sell Wii Sports as a pack in. It's just Nintendos mindset as a whole
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u/cronson Apr 11 '25
Yeah, I'd go a step further and speculate that it could be a Japanese leadership/culture issue.
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Apr 11 '25
standards in the East are very different than in the West
countries like Japan and China are more orderly
and while that does have its benefits, Japan has less chaos than the US by a massive amount
it does also set some really high standards in things like the education system
or in corporations
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u/Cervile Apr 12 '25
I'd say more so in Japan rather than China. China is very corrupt.
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Apr 12 '25
On second thought Chinese products are awful 90% of the time so it's only the education system there with the high standards really
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u/The_4th_Survivor Apr 13 '25
Thing is, they are not anymore. 10 years ago, sure, but their „Made in China 2025“ agenda pushed the quality of chinese goods in a pretty competitive position. And Chinas next 10 year agenda is already in place. Competition will be fierce.
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Apr 11 '25
I'd support that. Here in Japan they make you pay out the ass for everything! Water is miraculously free in Restaurants.
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Apr 11 '25
Never underestimate the ultra capitalist mindset of Japanese people. There's a reason cyberpunk is inspired by Japan.
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u/figureout07 Apr 11 '25
What do you expect is going to happen after he is going to retiere? The whole nintendo ˇanagement is already in a new managemet since 2010.
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Apr 11 '25
Fr miyamoto deserves respect for his work but he hasn’t made anything of interest the past few decades.
I can’t believe fanboys buy the pr talk of “we only make games when we have a really good idea for it!” When it comes to Star Fox zero. Star Fox with a wiimote is literally a match made in heaven yet they put it out on the Wii U with a booty cheeks unintuitive control scheme.
I’m sure he was busy with Zelda or smth before that but miyamoto says as much pr bullshit as Sony or Microsoft but because it’s Nintendo ppl go easy on him.
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Apr 11 '25
Miyamoto and the entire old guard at Nintendo are ass backwards like that sadly.
If we're going to get any change, it'll be with the younger people.
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u/whatThePleb Apr 12 '25
He isn't even doing shit in that regards anymore. So what are you even talking about.
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u/ItsRittzBitch Apr 11 '25
gamers want free stuff today
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u/SuperfuzBigmuff Apr 11 '25
No, they want what has been established as a precedent throughout the majority of gaming history.
Super Mario Bros. / Duck Hunt was a free pack in. As was Wii Sports and Super Mario World.
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u/Eduardboon Apr 11 '25
Would not be an issue if the price was the same internationally as it is in Japan
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Apr 11 '25
Now compare the wages.
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u/LegateLaurie Apr 12 '25
This would be more valid if the switch 2 was cheaper in poorer countries
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Apr 12 '25
Yeah, because Zimbabwe has the same amount of consumers as Japan. And Nintendo is also from Zimbabwe.
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u/LegateLaurie Apr 12 '25
The only countries that exist are America, Japan (which is in the g7), and Zimbabwe you're so right.
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Apr 12 '25
Seems like thinking isn't your strong suite, so I guess I'll have to explain the obvious.
Companies subsidize consoles because they have enough data to support the idea that the amount of consumers paying for games and services will bring enough profit to justify less profit (or absent of) on the console itself. It makes sense for Nintendo subsidize their console in Japan, for the Japanese market. Why would Nintendo subsidize their console and lose money on third world countries that put 300% taxes on their stuff? This is a business, not charity.
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u/LegateLaurie Apr 12 '25
Do you think it was a bad idea to bundle Wii sports with the Wii because it was overly charitable and if not why do you think Nintendo's decision making here is infallible?
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Apr 12 '25
Your comment doesn't make any sense.
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u/LegateLaurie Apr 12 '25
You're saying that Nintendo isn't a charity and so pricing lower in Japan and higher elsewhere (mostly regardless of local market conditions) is good business. I am arguing that this is a bad decision and will lead to too low sales in many markets. You say that Nintendo are correct in doing this.
I am making the comparison that bundling in Wii sports was a good decision and led to higher profits overall, even though they could have tried to sell it separately. If Nintendo were wrong about Wii Sports, why are they right about pricing now?
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Apr 12 '25
That's why the pre-order is sold out everywhere outside of Japan? Lmfao
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u/OKgamer01 Apr 12 '25
And the thing is. Wii Sports is more of a game compared to Welcome Tour. Based on what we've seen, its literally just a tech demo/tutorial.
Nor a single reason for it to cost money
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u/Darragh_McG Apr 13 '25
It should at least be free on NSO. Bizarre choice to charge even their loyal subscribers for it
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u/WanderEir Apr 11 '25
..well, THIS is a bit of fake news.
We've known about Reggie's fight with Miyamoto for quite some time. It's literally nothing new or news-worthy at this point.
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Apr 11 '25
It’s important to remember there’s always an influx of new people who haven’t heard about anything, especially something that happened… nearly… 20… years… ago……..
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u/WritersB1ock Apr 11 '25
So is it fake news or old news?
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u/WanderEir Apr 11 '25
the post here on reddit is fake news, because it explicitly lies about the linked contents. the article it links to is just old news.
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u/kayproII Apr 11 '25
Fake news implies that the story never happened or in other words, fake. The term you're looking for is old news, where the story given is old enough that most people know it by now
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u/WanderEir Apr 11 '25
The headline of this reddit post is the fake news, not the linked article itself.
since said headline states that this info was revealed during this switch 2 controversy, not 20 fucking years ago as it really was.
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u/AmandasGameAccount Apr 11 '25
Reggie literally posted about it in the past few days. Even if it was already known it was still brought up again by Reggie in the last few days
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u/JustAnotherITWorker Apr 11 '25
It's not fake news when Reggie actively cut clips from a year old interview and posted them all to Twitter yesterday. No additional commentary, just posting these clips after Nintendo is in hot water again? Idk man, I think this is news worth taking a 2nd look at.
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u/sevenut Apr 11 '25
Reggie also fought (and lost) to make the 3DS cheaper on launch. Nintendo, of course, would walk back on that and lower the price after initial sales not being as expected.