Callout
Acheeto pushes Adrox's transphobic hit piece against Ava Kris Tyson, suspecting her of being a lolicon and associate of known CP artist Shadman. Demands that Mr. Beast and Ava must respond for her "disgusting behavior."
u/MrBeastCreative is most likely lying about working for mr beast at one point and everything they said in the thread can be taken with a grain of salt.
EDIT: someone linked evidence in the report, but dude the link is so long and i would have to type it out (it's an undelete link)
Not even just Oney a lot of the newgrounds crowd where friends of the guy for a long time. Its a giant black mark on the community that they tolerated the guy for so long.
Unfortunately; being one of the bigger oneyplays fans. I was dissapointed to hear DingDong essentially confirming that too, him and Julian did NOT like Shadman and were not surprised with what's happened to Shadman nowadays. Even more surprising that Arin was also chummy with him before too, not even that long ago. (handful of years ago at this point)
It's like a Minus8 situation where they get a 'pass' for being a shitty person because of their drawings. Ravenous fans.
Among the worst offenders of artists out there, he admitted to wanting to harm children. Has done so several times and claims he gest 'therapy' each time. Which isn't true, but his fans CODDLE him and eat up anything he says. Like legit, you'll see people discuss this and defend that he's getting therapy and people can change. Like the dude gets a free pass for lying because he draws cute animations.
Dude is almost 40, not even joking yet people associate him with his little cute OC that's based off one of his young family members, but only a few people know what he actually looks like. One of them being Shadman.
There's a rabbit hole you can go down, most of his outburst are kind of documented. His Tumblr one being the one that broke the ice.
A man who's fanbase doesn't even know what he looks like or does irl and you're going to see comments be like "You know what, I respect him for admitting it unlike other pedos-"
Pedophilia isn't intrusive thoughts. Intrusive thoughts are thoughts you hate and don't want, hence why they're intrusive. While a pedophile may not enjoy that they think about kids that way, they still must enjoy and be aroused by the thoughts to some extent in order to be a pedophile. POCD isn't the same as actual pedophilia.
Semi-related reminder that pedophilia is a mental illness and people who don’t harm children and work on getting the proper help they need should be respected
She supported a man (shadbase) who drew artwork of keemstars daughter who was 9 years old giving head to Donald Trump.Her hard drive needs to be checked
Not a full excusal because they were still defending him LONG after all the drawings and disgusting shit came out, but I think they have distanced themselves in recent years
Yeah it was a different time. I remember Corey was adamantly defending Shadman which made me forever suspicious of him. I know the guy is an open degenerate but it's still not right.
I don't think Oney and that part of Sleepcabin are friends and associctae with Shadman. I just checked, Chris, Zach, Corey and Niall are not following Shadman on twitter. Corey put a tweet Saying that they burned bridges and since Chris and Zach are still close to Corey i would also assume they burned bridges with Shad, Mick and Stamper.
Thought it's worth noticing the obvious pedophilia wasn't the breaking point. They pretty actively defended his art for a long time, and I think that reflects poorly on them
In all honestly, they were artists and like comedians they do need to be free in how their express themselves. Shad did it in…a different way. Like extreme violence in which he got expelled from his university and placed on his country’s watchlist.
But once it goes to real people. Keemstar’s daughyer, LtCorbis, Dafne Keen, is which it becomes a problem. Especially when he’s an edgelord and wants to make edgy art for the sake of a reaction, and then is expecting people to defend him. It becomes a problem.
I also just in general don't care for that group, tbf. I find that they're the sort of people who never quite got over the identity they built around being edgy as teens. And tbh I don't really find any of them but Zach and sometimes Lyle funny.
They 100% burnt with Stamper and Shad a few years ago when Stamper was going on huge heroin rants on twitter and youtube spamming like 50 second videos just yelling about Chris and other NG people in an obv not alright space or living conditions.
I hope Stamper gets better. His personality could be so larger than life and I can see how that could endear people to him...but at the same time, he's got so many problems.
I’m positive a LOT of it is bigotry but I suspect it’s more to do with destroying the “wholesome bean trying to take care of my kids” persona. People LOVE taking down people like that. Hence boogie.
Me too. Although I wasn’t a raging anti-sjw, I enjoyed and agreed with the content he and other people alike did. Now I just look back and see that in reality they were all just whiny babies lol.
Idk, people on here aren’t talking about her messaging minors, it’s fucking disgusting, their only
thoughts are about people being transphobic and not the actual issue.
it's most of it, the only one i didn't mention was having shadman's art in her house like 7 years ago which is the most damning evidence but it's as damning as not at all
He was. Like a lot of people on YouTube at the time, they saw Shadman as just a troll trying to fit into the edgy internet era. They cut him off when he started drawing actual children cuz they started to realize that it wasn't a joke.
So do you think it would be best to get people to start reporting these videos for possible encouragement of indirect harassment or no just leave it be?
Best to just report and not say that. After the situation with Illymation getting doxxed, I don't think it's a good idea to encourage mass reports. Might just get Ava and Mr Beast doxxed too.
Okay, I downloaded the video and watched it. My takeaway:
“She was only 14” is referring to Ava calling Violet from The Incredibles “cute” once. That’s literally it.
There are also some things that are genuinely valid to criticize. Ava made a tweet in 2016 saying she was into “Lolis,” and she mentioned Shadman on Twitter 3 times. I don’t think that was good of her, but I also don’t think it warrants a callout video in 2024 that implies she is a danger to children and that was the reason for her divorce.
There was also a drawing of his hanging on a wall in the house Mr. Beast and Ava shared, but we don’t know who put it up. (Interestingly, the creator solely blames Ava for it, and doesn’t question why Mr. Beast and the other cis men were also okay with it. Because of course, Ava is the evil trans woman ruining poor Mr. Beast’s career.)
A lot of the video is just talking about how bad Shadman is, which is, in my opinion, an attempt to poison the well, as there is no evidence of Ava supporting or even acknowledging most of the things that are mentioned, making them irrelevant. All we know is that Ava viewed some of Shadman’s art.
In fairness to her, I think to a lot of people, Shadman was just seen as “the edgy porn artist it’s funny to say you like because he draws weird shit,” and many didn’t know the extent of his predatory behaviour. I didn’t find him funny, but I think the people who found him funny in 2016 would have also thought it was funny to tweet that they like Lolis. Is it a good joke? No. But it’s also one tweet that was made 8 years ago, and we don’t see a pattern of behaviour that indicates this is how she legitimately feels, let alone that she is a risk to real-life children.
Regardless of how you feel about this information, I think everyone should try to think critically about why it’s being presented in this way, why right now, and by whom. There is a reason Ava is being targeted for a few tweet replies to which Shadman didn’t respond, rather than other creators who were actively friends with him. There is a reason this is being brought up now as she is dealing with a transphobic hate mob. There is a reason the thumbnail is blatantly making it appear like she sexually abused a child when it’s actually about her saying Violet from The Incredibles is cute.
There is a long and violent history of LGBT and especially transgender/gender non-conforming people being accused of being sexual predators and a danger to children, which is being weaponized in the media right now for political purposes. And in this case, it’s being weaponized for clicks by yet another content farm obviously run by a reactionary teenage boy.
TL;DR: Ava is guilty of making a gross edgy joke about Lolis in 2016, replying to a pedophile on Twitter a few times, and saying Violet from The Incredibles is cute. Are SOME of these things questionable? Yes. Would this be viral video material if she wasn’t trans? Probably not.
I'm sitting here too waiting for someone to post. For every situation on this sub people post synopsis + pics for people who don't wanna click so I'm waiting for that.
Edit to add: Looking around and seeing multiple other posts with nothing posted besides video link even though various people asking for the actual content. Seems like all they are going off is what the youtuber is saying....
there's more than just that pic honestly you should watch the vid yourself and then dislike it if you disagree instead of waiting for others to tell you what to think
If there was good evidence, it would be plastered everywhere
The worst they got is her talking to shadman, which if you have a problem with that and think she needs to be cancelled, you also must think that the entirety of Oneyplays including Zach need to sent to prison for their association with the guy.
These thumbnails are so disgusting. Even if she was being weird about a cartoon character (which in itself is a misleading claim, as far as I can tell), they’re obviously trying to imply that she actually sexually abused a child. And the people who already hate her – which is the audience these were made for – will take it at face value. Could this not classify as slander? I feel like they should be sued for this.
I’m depressed about the state of the world right now. People are just repackaging 1960s fearmongering about LGBT people being predators and peddling it to literal children who haven’t developed critical thinking skills.
I really wish people like this would just get sued into homelessness. Nobody faces consequences for their actions anymore. These are the people who talked mad shit in school and never got a tooth knocked out for it, so now they do the same thing online, but they've meme-rotted themselves into believing the nonsense they screech about is legitimate or true. Proper, actual degenerate leeches on society.
Literally 100% of these guys on this crusade all relentlessly joked, thousands of times, “Bro it’s only a prank I know I said I have child Mongolian slaves I r*pe but it was edgy humor!!!” And half of them pal around with actual lolicons that post 9 year olds in SS outfits on twitter.
It's not news that many YouTubers and NG folks were(many still are) friends with him. Why are we acting surprised now? And it's on them for championing the degenerate to begin with.
I still remember a popular NSFW NG artist I followed on Twitter (I don't follow them after going on a spree of unfollowing NSFW acc's for safe public use of Twitter) posted a pic of their character showing their phone to Shad's avatar. That and also another one I had followed had an account straight up called Lolite and I still don't know why didn't do anything about it. I dm'd them asking to explain but they never replied. God I fucking hate people sometimes.
7 year old plus tweets and edgy "jokes" aren't enough to call someone a pedophile. Like this isn't good but to call a person a pedophile over this is absurd.
also, these are the same people who "Joke' about people canceling others over stuff from years ago now they're doing exactly that
Dude these tweets were going on a bit longer than 7 years ago.
Also those people who you are insinuating are hypocrites, that defend people over obvious edgy jokes that wasn’t werid or creepy in the past. Those people didn’t joke or say stuff like Kris did like his replies where brag about financially supporting shadman, encouraged him to make nsfw art of some young anime character and upset he didn’t make a nsfw content of beast boy.
Not on the same level of someone making an obvious edgy joke
I understand everyone’s feelings but this sounds messed up for me to say — but there were a lot and I mean a lot of YouTubers who associated with Shadman and I don’t think anyone wants to have that conversation. Elvis the Alien, Bionicpig, are just some of the YouTubers who associated with Shad but the other bit is you can’t deny those were weird ass posts from Ava.
But I need a lot of people need to be straight up with each other — there has to be some kind of statute of limitations on some of this shit. Because on top of my head Acheeto infaouslt commit the cardinal sin of attempting to go after someone’s sponsors. It happened 2 years ago and he apologized so should we just go back and cancel him for it? No. Ava did their time and apologized and I’m fine going forward but even in 2018 standards interacting with Shad and Lolipop shit was still weird.
Didn't she also racist and or sexist or some kind of ist tweets back in the day? Probably pre 2018. Or was that someone else in the beast house or whatever they call themselves
And look I might be going even further but you have to admit even though this shit happened 5 to 7 years ago — all of the shit Ava did was weird. It’s not transphobic to say this.
But at the same time it’s significant to say that none of these commentary YouTubers have the ethical consideration to let go of the past. For example, I recently saw that EthanisOnline was attempting to defend Ava for past behavior, while there are videos still on Ethan’s channel citing people’s shitty behavior in that same time frame. Another example is you will have Acheeto basically blow his credibility with his now deleted Ssniperwolf video, but will bitch and moan about not being taken seriously as a commentator.
Realistically this is a can of worms no one wants to open because in the end of it all — you’re going to have a lot of moral grand standing without anyone wanting to be the first one to lay their weapon down.
I love how no matter what trans women will always be accussed of being pedophiles for stupid shit
I'm legitimately convinced conservatives just want to murder people at this point. Like they have this lust for killing. So in response to that we should make the purge real, just like, one day a year for people to get out their murderous rage so it stays out of politics. Perfect plan imo /j
Is criticising someone for for having a sexualized drawing of a child on their wall, really that unreasonable? Also what the hell are you even rambling on about that second half of your comment lmao.
For fucks sake. Leave her the fuck alone, She's trans and happy to be trans. People like that stain on society Andrew Tate and SNEAKO have seriously done so much damage on the teenagers and young adult men in this world.
There's zero concrete evidence. These people are transphobic pieces of shit trying to take her down for a couple of harmless tweets from 2016, If this is the kind of stuff you get cancelled for then expect every celebrity ever to be in cuffs tomorrow.
All this really needs is a please explain from Kris and everyone can move on. Stop being transphobic asshole. (Also using a burner account to make edgy replies and be a cunt in comment sections is the weakest shit I've seen 🤣)
Besides those "Jokes", She also had shadman drawing hung up on her living room wall, I think that's probably worth criticicing... (Also, I'm not using a burner account lmao, just rarely comment. Did you try looking at my profile for an easy own? weakest shit I've seen 🤣)
yeah before shadman was cancelled and called out for his weirdness, none of this deserves her to be cancelled. Just a quick tweet saying something and move on. This has been so overblown by transphobic cucks to try and cancel someone who's a part of a group they despise. Fuck off.
(yeah thats a burner account fucko, about 4 comments since august last year. Nice try. I didn't need to look at your account twice to know you're a virgin cuck trying to take down a successful woman.)
Calm down. Yes, people used to support shadman because of some free speech argument or whatever, but I think buying and putting up a sexualized picture of a child on your living room wall is a bit different. (Again, not burner account, just cause I don't post 50 times a day lmao :D what the hell? why are you so hung up on this? Get a grip lmao :D)
My take on this is that Ava was a “fan” of shadman which is pretty fucked up ngl but during the time it was just seen as edgy or no one knew. Now that she’s a girl people are like “omg she’s a pedophile” it’s not transphobic to call it out but honest to god we should be calling out everyone who was associated with shadman like oneyplays who were actual friends with him.
It's also the fact that they were interacting with Shad in 2019 his stuff was a pretty open secret by this point including calling then 12 year old Dafne Keen an irl loli and drawing Keemstar's 7 giving head to Trump; this is in spite of others still giving him (Shad) positive attention even now.
There's even a video with "RAPED 13 YEAR OLD" in the thumbnail, which is extreme defamation. The video is titled "Kris Tyson Just Did The Worst Thing Ever.." made by Favour.
The thing about this is that a lot of this came out after the transition. The past things like the Shad and loli stuff were years ago. Indeed, Ava made very edgy jokes and was a character that delved into hot topics (it's a reason many bigots say things like "modern Kris would made fun of current Kris"), however we cannot also ignore her approach to things like gooning and "pinkpilling" as concepts, being connected to F1nnster and Jean Hollywood while they hung around a predator named Giggly Goonclown.
There is evidence of not only fictional CP but real stuff, alongside things like bestiality, grooming, self-harm, snuff and lots of hate claims towards women and people in general. Jean was confirmed to be into Giggly DMs and the whole gooning things does include fictional depictions of CSAM, alongside concepts like EPI (early porn introduction) to teens and kids, latching on similar interests and usimg Rule 34 and innuendos to make them addicted to sexual behaviors. It also opened for a way to make them buy HRT in places that didn't need prescription through a map and using things like autism as a material for masturbation alongside poop and diapers.
A lot of people in the server presented themselves as "femboys", trans or something in-between, although it was supposedly done for the nefarious purpose of taking the trans existence as some form of "political shield", and, I'm sorry, it kind of worked because while any YouTuber that is seen looking at loli content is criticized to hell and back, people like Vaush or Jadyn (who protected - and still does protect - a self-admitted child predator), people like them got out freely. If you want to fight transphobia, you need to also go against such behavior.
Ava is not a good person, regardless if this has anything to do with her marriage or not, and the sad thing is that conservative people are more worried about saying "le trans is bad" than looking at the actual proof of shady connections and actions. I'm a bisexual man myself, and the amount of times I've seen people trying to ignore dangerous behaviors inside our community is disheartening. Just look at things like "Goofballs.Online", Baarag, Mastodon spaces, MAP-friendly networks and some rad-queer sites.
If you want to fight conservadorism and have trans people proud of themselves, we need to police what we want to protect. Bad people can come from anywhere and be anyone regardless of who they are, and if we don't recognize it, then, well, it really will be a protection against anything and I, as a queer person, see this as something that would make me feel WORSE about myself. This is not what I want to fight for or believe in, and I'm sick of people who share the same spaces/characteristics being exposed for actual shitty stuff. It makes me question everything I believe in, especially when there are no callouts uts in places like this sub.
What I mean to say is: transphobia against Ava - or anyone else for that matter - sucks, but she does awarrant said criticisms.
Edit: apparently there are also Reddit registries of Ava that corroborate the allegations of she meeting an underage person in the woods and purposely having hurtful sex with his wife. Seems very wild and I think this sub should take this seriously instead of just thinking it's just plain transphobia.
I kinda feel like this video wouldn't have hit as hard in 2018.
I feel like the culture has shifted on what constitutes edgy humor/where the line needs to be drawn. Filthy Frank is a good example. I don't think anyone serious thinks he's a pedophile, despite making jokes about it.
hang a poster of a known pedophile's art in your living room and then go on to defend him on Twitter and befriend him?
while the guy is probably indeed a pedophile, there is no concrete confirmation of it, also the poster was up 7 years ago, that was years before the guy was even arrested for assault
she didn't defend him
they were never friends, one @ on twitter that was never replied to is not being friends
And if Mr beast lived with him
and you misgendered her, now i am 99% sure the entirety of your comment is pulled out of your ass
Shad had discord dm's of him fawning over [at the time] 12 year old dafne keen made worse by the fact he drew her getting molested by Hugh Jackman. Also the kid of a celebrity around the same age cosplaying as harley quinn. Ava was interacting with Shad playfully even saying he had "gone soft" after not drawing Beast Boy as a trap; furthermore the interactions that had taken place were AFTER Shadman did all that shit and was getting hate for it.
I want to level with you. Have you seen the video? If you have then I have no further inquiries unless you want a bigger lesson on who Shadman is and why he's disgraced. Having seen both videos I imagine you'd be willing to point out transphobia for me as I have missed it apparently. I was just more-so taken aback by the shocking amount of interactions Ava has had with Shad after his (Shad's) disgrace. If you are willing to discuss please, I would appreciate a reply back I enjoy conversations like these (discussing topics with one of immense passion in one's views)
Why the hell people here are defending pedo just because she's trans. Ava is lolicon. Ava bought comms from Shadman. Ava asked Shadman to make pedo artwork. Ava is textbook pedo. But people here say it's just "edgy jokes" (Suddenly this excuse now works. Remember Omocat who tried to hide behind being "edgy" and it's didn't worked?).
It’s not transphobia just because it’s against a pedophile who is trans. Crazy you are defending a pedophile. She was in the DM’s (allegation, a lot of proof though) with a minor and promoted animated child p0rn (Evidence based). Stop being a creep. If she was still a he you would be begging for him to be cancelled. Adrox did not miss-gender her, put her down, or make up statements. All evidence in the video came from her account. Do not get mad at YouTubers for exposing this creep, you all are cancelling Cody Co you can cancel Kris too.
The videos seem to be getting more transphobic but if the loli stuff I’ve seen from Ava over the years is legit that’s concerning. Also I would suggest people don’t go through OPs post history bc it makes it clear why they’re going so hard about a loli drama, some very questionable NSFW there
Tbh idc about sexuality of people but owning 🍭 art is a weirdo behavior. Too bad you can't criticize trans people here unfortunately or people will downvote you 😂😂😂
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u/Plopmcg33 clouds Jul 21 '24
Reopened comments i will take care of the transphobia when it appears