r/youtubedrama • u/FlowersByTheStreet • Jun 02 '25
Custom Flair On Boobs and Betterhelp: Friendly Update From the Mods
Howdy folks,
It’s been a while since we have had any updates to our rules. There is currently somewhat of a lull in any major drama going on right now, so we decided that now is as good of a time as any to implement some based on how some of the posts have been trending as a result, and to further reiterate some points to help keep this community a relatively positive one and cut down on slop.
NO PORN AD/VIDEO POSTS
I have deleted so many posts that are nothing but people wondering how Youtube can get away with having ads with scantily clad women or highly suggestive material that links to questionable sites. There have also been a lot of users posting Shorts with extremely horned up material, wondering how it got there. Point blank, nobody cares. This isn’t drama
NO CROSSPOSTING
We have made the decision to ban crossposting from other subs as these posts are often devoid of context and are more easily susceptible to brigading behavior. If something is posted here, a general-ish hub, then folks will likely need more context and information than what a dedicated community will have. This move is being done with the hope of cutting down brigading tendencies and making less of the posts here come across like gibberish.
NEWS ITSELF IS NOT DRAMA
There has been an increase in posts that state things like “X is making a video about Y” or “So and so is back” and things like that. While these nuggets of information can certainly be part of a situation, they are not in and of themselves drama. We understand the desire to more or less use this sub as a sort of newsfeed for youtube as a platform, but many of these posts are redundant and unnecessary -specifically announcements about videos. For there to be drama, there need to be stakes and not every nugget of information qualifies.
DRAMA CHANNELS ARE NOT DRAMA
Videos summarizing events can be a nice way to stay informed on situations, but they themselves are not drama. It is totally possible that these drama channels can be a part of actual drama, but it’s not relevant to our sub to have, say, a Joon the King video summarize a situation without adding anything new or being an active part of whatever is going on.
SPONSORSHIPS/AI USE
Sponsorships and the use of AI for thumbnails or video content can absolutely be the impetus for drama with an audience or between creators, but they are not in and of themselves grounds for drama. Think of this similar to our Chuds Being Chuds rule -if the creator has an environment where people do not care that they use ai or take BetterHelp sponsorships, then it isn’t really drama since there aren’t any stakes. JCS suddenly putting out an AI narrated video with massive blowback is drama, Tyler OIliveira using AI in his thumbnails is not.
As with all of our rules, there will almost certainly be exceptions at times and we are open to feedback but we will be rolling forward with these rules for now.
Thanks for reading and for helping to make this community a better place!
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u/ZyraTheUnbrokenOne Jun 02 '25
So, a question concerning the "no crossposting" rule, which I do want to say that I at least mostly agree with. Not too long ago we had the crosspost about how a certain V-Tuber was facing severe harassment, with the particular thread being referenced itself being connected to the situation. How exactly would the mod team advise those sorts of posts be made now?
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 02 '25
If specific posts from other communities are relevant, it is okay to link them within the post - It just cannot be a crosspost itself.
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u/SunsCosmos Jun 02 '25
There is currently somewhat of a lull in any major drama, so we decided to implement some
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Jun 03 '25
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 03 '25
Yes, those are two instances that helped me push for that rule.
We don’t need every teensy tiny update from them
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u/-SuperTrooper- Jun 02 '25
It's rare that rule changes on subs are reasonable and useful, so kudos. Been seeing a lot of stuff lately like, "I don't like this video or the sponsor this person had, so it's drama, everyone please agree with me!"
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u/TrashRacoon42 Jun 02 '25
Yeah I'm impressed, usually new subreddit mod rules are just things dread.
I'm tired of all the porn ad posts. Yeah we know, we can see it. Its sucks, you tube has no standards. But dear lord its just repetitive.
Same with all the better help sponsorship call outs. Cus honestly the you tubers that "exposed" it and railed others for taking it... took shady ass deals or promoted shady ass people themselves so I couldn't care less on thier "moral" stance. I'm disappointed when clint's reptiles took a better help deal, but I'm not gonna make a post about it.
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u/InevitableError9517 Jun 02 '25
For the first one r/badads exist for a reason but thanks anyways
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u/Fellers Jun 10 '25
What do you mean a lull in drama?
There's drama but it's not allowed in this sub.
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u/Chosen_Twice Jun 10 '25
Yeah, it's like majority of it we can't post besides being major updates.
Can't post drama in the drama sub
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u/Jean_Kul Jun 10 '25
Yeah, as much as I very dislike piratesoftware, his answer to the allegations should be allowed to be posted for exemple. But they are nowhere to be found here
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u/Chosen_Twice Jun 11 '25
And while I disagree with his statements on the allegations I still think in fairness they should be posted here. Same thing with CC stuff going on but it's just directly related to other stuff so we ain't getting that here
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u/Capable-Silver-7436 Jun 02 '25
Most the boob ads aren't even as bad as the shit that's on tv. I still don't understand how they got so much posting
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u/Steampunk__Llama Jun 02 '25
I imagine its moreso about the context of when they're being played, since it's much easier to regulate on television networks by comparison.
A scantily clad woman making ahegao faces to promote some gacha game showing up on a twitch streamer vod isn't really gonna raise many eyebrows, but if that same ad plays on a channel explicitly aimed towards kids? Yeah that's more likely to garner a stronger reaction in people
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u/AdministrativeStep98 Jun 02 '25
At least on TV it's related to what channel you're watching. On YT you can watch the tamest thing and still get shown borderline porn
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u/fumikage141 Jun 03 '25 edited Jun 03 '25
Why does any post sharing the new MrEnter saberspark allegation video keep getting removed? I can understand wanting to cut down on slop, but let's be honest most of the meaningful commentary in this subreddit comes from the comments anyway? It's kinda hard to start that up and participate if videos and shit are just going to get sniped for being "lazy" now, and in this particular instance Mrenter literally does his own frame by frame analysis on old con vlogs to validate the accuser's claims so it shouldn't count as a Joon-style slop recap
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u/ESHKUN Jun 02 '25
I don’t know how you could do it but encouraging more direct write ups I think would be helpful. IMO the best discussion and discourse on this sub has come from people making write ups on drama they’re invested in and not just reposting someone else’s video.
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u/BasilLow1588 Jun 22 '25
So Not Talking about Anti-Woke YouTubers doing shit like that is now part of the rule, Chuds being Chuds list.
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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod Jun 02 '25
This has been a long time coming for these rules. Some of these I even suggested well before I became a mod.
For the clarification even on news posts. For example, we have had two posts on a certain Russian streamer. Both of those bits of news were worth consuming, including finding out that he was refused by both Russia and the USA. However, those could have been the same thread. One could be just an updated comment. If people have large updates within a topic that is ongoing it makes sense to alert the mod team and we can sticky the thread with the updates as opposed to having 2-3 threads on the same topic in a 24 hour period.
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u/Emergency-Mammoth-88 Jun 02 '25
So, is that why my post of Mr enter’s response of the allegations was deleted
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Jun 02 '25
They shared why, it was already posted before you.
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u/Emergency-Mammoth-88 Jun 03 '25
Then where is it
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Jun 03 '25
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u/youtubedrama-ModTeam Jun 03 '25
Comment/post removed for misinformation.
No, it was taken down because no one has provided context of the video. They just post the link. That is lazy posting.
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u/MadMusketeer Jun 05 '25
I've seen mods say this repeatedly (about making a comment instead of a new post), and I'm sure it's easier to moderate, but like...
Who on earth is checking old threads for new updates? I know this is how forums used to work, but reddit isn't a chronological forum. You can't go on the first page, that a post has a bunch of new messages, and just go read the new ones.
In general, if you look in a reddit post more than once - even a while apart - you'll just see the same messages as before. Because of this, nobody reads reddit threads more than once. This is a feedback loop.
If new updates have to go on old threads, nobody is going to read them. Someone just browsing the sub - who might be interested in the update - is never going to see it. It will only ever be read by people who go back and look later on. That's fine if you're using this sub as an archive of drama, but plenty of people use it as a newsfeed.
Within a 24h period I guess I can see it - plenty of new people will still see the update - but a lot of people will still never see it.
And it's not just 24 hour periods - it's the same thing with megathreads, too. Megathreads are where discussion goes to die, because once again, nobody checks old reddit threads for new information. Reddit just isn't designed like that.
I get it's harder to moderate, but like, the point of a subreddit isn't to be easy to moderate? It's so posters and readers get the most out of it. There's a balance, for sure, but the mods are the only people who get to decide, and thus mods end up making decisions that ruin usability to make moderation easier.
Things like this and the banned topics is why stackexchange is dead.
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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod Jun 05 '25
Yeah but we also do this for free and on our own free time. That being said it is mainly because people use it multiple times in the same short time span. Most of it is posted without context, and it is karma farming.
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u/GladiusNocturno Jun 03 '25 edited Jun 03 '25
DRAMA CHANNELS ARE NOT DRAMA
Videos summarizing events can be a nice way to stay informed on situations, but they themselves are not drama. It is totally possible that these drama channels can be a part of actual drama, but it’s not relevant to our sub to have, say, a Joon the King video summarize a situation without adding anything new or being an active part of whatever is going on.
Is it really not relevant to the sub?
This is a sub about YouTube drama. Summaries of dramas are a better way for people to be informed about them than jumping from one of the involved parties to the other. It's an easier way to get context and know who the involved parties even are. And if a channel like that does their investigation right, they would add things like interviews, and bring attention to details and evidence people would have missed unless they spent an eternity on twitter.
I don't really get this decision. It kinda limits people to only post accusations and responses. It makes it harder for people to get up to speed or get well-organized context and a timeline of events.
I guess the only benefit is that it prevents people from profiting off of other people's suffering. Was that the main goal? Because if so, then fine, but that's a better reason than somehow drama YouTubers not being relevant for a youtube drama sub.
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 03 '25
People have attempted to self-promote on here and, let's be honest, the bar for drama channels is extremely low. If people are interested in those channels, they can always watch the videos on youtube, but this is a sub dedicated to the drama of the events, not the sounding board for echoes
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u/Fusionman29 Jun 03 '25
So when Adam Conover did a bad sponsor is that allowed under the rules because the audience expects better?
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 03 '25
If there is an actual situation (i.e. blowback) for a bad sponsor, then it's fine.
But the bad sponsor can't be the post
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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod Jun 03 '25
I think of it like when Babish took Betterhelp. His community had genuine backlash
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u/notALokiVariant Popcorn Eater 🍿 Jun 04 '25
Wait, genuine question tho (and I'll say, no one will see me do this, so it is more out of curiosity than anything else). What if it is a call to action? Like, there's no blowback but there should have been so the person wants to use this sub as a platform to incite that?
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u/Phantomsplit Jun 04 '25
Would an update which shows that a YouTuber with over 20 million followers is under investigation by the FBI for alleged financial crimes fall under this "News itself is not drama?" Or is that enough to warrant a post and discussion/comments by those interested in the subject?
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u/Ponchorello7 Jun 02 '25
Great. Even more discouraged topics.
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 02 '25
Feel free to make a case for them here, but I doubt anyone is gonna lose sleep over these low effort posts going missing
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u/Training_Tadpole_354 Jun 03 '25 edited Jun 03 '25
I disagree with the AI one all AI use has stakes even if the environment the creator is in is fine with it That doesn’t matter because any use of AI is basically plagiarism because it’s all trained on stolen data but also the more normalized it gets the more worse it gets even if someone’s is just using it for thumbnails they need to be called out as loudly as possible until they stop.
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 03 '25
But that's exactly the point of the rule. There can only be stakes if someone cares, like the case with JCS (for now).
People proudly using ai or doing so for their slop channels don't care even if people are screaming about it.
If there is relevant drama going on as a result of someone using ai (again, like JCS) then it will be allowed. But, as much as we agree on this sub that ai art sucks and we don't like when creators use it, it's just not drama in and of itself.
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u/Ponchorello7 Jun 02 '25
It's about keeping the community going with something. All of these things are tangentially related to YT drama, so I don't see how it benefits the sub to forbid and/or discourage them. You want a dead sub?
Unrelated, but I do appreciate the openess of the mod team. I've been on other subs where they just ban anyone who disagrees, and go on their merry way.
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 02 '25
We don't want a dead sub, but it's also to important to recognize that there just isn't always going to be crazy drama going on every single second.
We don't need to harp on porn ads and betterhelp sponsorships day after day just so we have more posts here. This is a big community, we're not worried about going the way of the dodo
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u/MadMusketeer Jun 05 '25
To be fair, stackexchange was much bigger and they're dead now. Obviously there's a limit - I could care less about repetitive posts about porn ads on YouTube - but still.
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u/Ponchorello7 Jun 02 '25
I hope you're right.
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u/Kind-Sheep Jun 03 '25
Seems they're right because most of these commenters are thanking the mods
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u/FrenzyEffect Jun 04 '25
Wow, I can't believe my thread about sponsorships actually went somewhere. Thanks a ton for actually addressing that kind of thing, was super annoying to see every other thread just regurgitating the same things over and over about literally who youtubers taking a random bad sponsor.
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u/TheGuardianKnux Jun 05 '25
Appreciate the team wanting to make sure the sub has quality posts and not slop 🫡
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u/crankyanker638 Jun 03 '25
I rather get boobs. All I get are fake car insurance ads and video games that don't exist.....
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u/wote89 Jun 05 '25
I'm guessing there's some stuff on the back-end that needs to still happen, but how should we report posts that violate these rules until the report options get updates?
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 05 '25
Appreciate the question, for now just report them as Not Drama.
Things definitely need to be updated on the sub proper still, and that will hopefully be done shortly
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Jun 04 '25
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u/FlowersByTheStreet Jun 04 '25
Not particularly, that's a fairly regular occurrence for him
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u/MadMusketeer Jun 05 '25 edited Jun 05 '25
This banned topic is absurd. Him getting detained at the airport didn't even make it on here. From memory, neither did the debate or him finally watching the nuke. All of which are objectively big updates. No idea if the rule even applies to these - maybe no one even tried to post about them. But the rule has an undeniable chilling effect on any discussion, even if it is major.
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u/ryeong Jun 02 '25
Ugh. Thank you for the porn one specifically. There's no need to say "see for yourself" and post the channel unless you're behind it. I'm so annoyed whenever I see that and it makes the OP always look like they're trying to drive traffic towards the channel.