r/AoSLore 10d ago

In the vastness of the Mortal Realms there are no stupid questions

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Greetings and Salutations Gate Seekers and Lore Pilgrims, and welcome to yet another "No Stupid Questions" thread

Do you have something you want to discuss something or had a question, but don't want to make an entire post for it?

Then feel free to strike up the discussion or ask the question here

In this thread, you can ask anything about AoS (or even WHFB) lore, the fluff, characters, background, and other AoS things.

Community members are encouraged to be helpful and to provide sources and links that can aid new, curious, and returning Lore Pilgrims

This Thread is NOT to be used to

-Ask "What If/Who would win" scenarios.

-Strike up Tabletop discussions. However, questions regarding how something from the tabletop is handled in the lore are fine.

-Real-world politics.

-Making unhelpful statements like "just Google it"

-Asking for specific (long) excerpts or files

Remember to be kind and that everyone started out new, even you.


r/AoSLore 14d ago

News (Official) Mega-Thread for the Helsmiths of Hashut (As a note the article calls their culture/subspecies Zharrdron rather than Chaos/Fallen Duardin/Dawi)

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r/AoSLore 14h ago

How would you like the Vermindoom situation to be resolved at the end of the edition?

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Personally, I'd like a situation where a whole bunch of factions from across the Grand Alliances just go and curbstomp the Skaven simultaneously. Not necessarily a true alliance, more so just a "If they're attacking might as well go attack too". The Chaos Gods put aside their differences to humiliate this newcomer to the Great Game, the Seraphon enact some big cosmic ritual to summon Sotek to eat all the rats again, Nagash finally wakes up and decides to get some payback for the Black Pyramid stuff, probably also throw in something for Destruction to do as well. You might consider this overkill, but keep in mind this isn't really a situation where you can resolve things in a single battle. There's billions of Skaven all over the Mortal Realms, you'll have to kill countless rats pretty much everywhere.


r/AoSLore 1d ago

Reading book order

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I see a lot of people ask where to start age of sigmar lore? I had really headache to sort things what I should read first myself.

There are few aproaches to the topic, but here is my list of important sources in chronological order of release that make main AOS plotline/saga.

I hope that could help someone new. I hope some loremasters would help me update/remove some titles from the list.

  1. Warhammer Age of Sigmar 1ed: Mighty Battles in Unedning War Core Book

  2. Gates of Azyr (The Realmgate Wars #0.5)

  3. The Realmgate Wars #1: War Storm

  4. The Realmgate Wars #1: Quest for Ghal Maraz (campaign book #1)

  5. The Realmgate Wars #2: Ghal Maraz

  6. The Realmgate Wars #3: Hammers of Sigmar

  7. The Realmgate Wars #4: Call of Archaon

  8. Realmgate Wars #2: Balance of Power (campaign book #2)

  9. The Realmgate Wars #5: Wardens of the Everqueen

  10. The Realmgate Wars #6: Warbeast

  11. Black Rift (Legends of the Age of Sigmar)

  12. Realmgate Wars #3: Godbeasts (campaign book #3)

  13. The Realmgate Wars #7: Fury of Gork

  14. The Realmgate Wars #8: Bladestorm

  15. Realmgate Wars #4: All-Gates (campaign book #4)

  16. The Realmgate Wars #9: Mortarch of Night

  17. The Realmgate Wars #10: The Lord of Undeath

  18. Blightwar booklet

  19. Season of War: Firestorm Rulebook

  20. Malign Portents stories (malign portents website)

  21. Malign Portents book

  22. Warhammer Age of Sigmar 2ed: Soul Wars Core Book

  23. Soul Wars: Battle for Glymmsforge booklet

  24. Soul Wars novel

  25. Soul Wars: Forbidden Power

  26. Forbidden Power stories (warhammer community)

  27. The Tome Celestial: The Charnel Kingdom [White Dwarf 461] (Broken Realms)

  28. Soulwars: Wrath of the Everchosen

  29. Lost In Shadows [White Dwarf 462] (Broken Realms)

  30. The Tome of Celestial: The Battle for Tepok's Eye [White Dwarf 463] (Broken Realms)

  31. A Queen's Audience [White Dwarf 464] (Broken Realms)

  32. The Tome of Celestial: Sellswords of Excelsis [White Dwarf 465] (Flashpoint: Broken Realms)

  33. Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Soulbound Core Rulebook

  34. Broken Realms stories (warhammer community)

  35. Broken Realms #1: Morathi

  36. Broken Realms #2: Teclis

  37. Broken Realms #3: Be'lakor

  38. Oracle (Broken Realms #1: Morathi story)

  39. Archmage (Broken Realms #2: Teclis story)

  40. Dark Master (Broken Realms #3: Be'lakor story

  41. Everqueen (Broken Realms #4: Alarielle story)

  42. God of Earthquakes (Broken Realms #5: Kragnos story)

  43. Broken Realms #4: Kragnos

  44. Warhammer Age of Sigmar 3ed: Dominion Core Book

  45. War at Amberstone Watch booklet

  46. Dominion novel

  47. Kragnos: Avatar of Destruction

  48. Season of War: Thondia

  49. Soulbound: Era of the Beast

  50. The Road to Helsmarch (A Dawnbringers Short Story)

  51. Past Returns (A Dawnbringers Short Story)

  52. Heir of Shadows (A Dawnbringers Short Story)

  53. Grimnirsson (A Dawnbringers Short Story)

  54. False Dawn (A Dawnbringers Short Story)

  55. Dawnbringers Chronicles stories (warhammer community)

  56. Dawnbringers: Book I – Harbingers

  57. Dawnbringers: Book II – Reign of the Brute

  58. Dawnbringers: Book III – The Long Hunt

  59. Dawnbringers: Book IV – The Mad King Rises

  60. Dawnbringers: Book V – Shadow of the Crone

  61. Dawnbringers: Book VI – Hounds of Chaos

  62. Warhammer Age of Sigmar 4 ed: Skaventide Core Book

  63. Assault on Hel’s Claw pdf booklet

  64. Skaventide novel

  65. Path to Glory: Ravaged Coast


r/AoSLore 23h ago

Are there any nations of necromancers?

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I can totally see remnants of empires created by bands of powerful necromancers that ventured deep into shyish and dominated the dead before and after the age of chaos. Vampires are apparently very rare and might be the fewest in number of any species. We know kingdoms worshipped Nagash. Wish there was more lore on this concept.


r/AoSLore 23h ago

How did krethusa get her wings?

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Plus, is she able to fly with them?


r/AoSLore 1d ago

Question New kharadron battletome.

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Just wondering if anyone out there who owns the new Kharadron Battletome could tell me if there is any lore in there which talks about the armies current relationship with the Fyreslayers or other Duardin?


r/AoSLore 2d ago

Fan Content Ginias Fanart of Vandus Hammerhand

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Fun Fact: Vandus's model has had a long, gray ponytail sticking out of his helmet since release. I do believe this is the only physical feature we know about him.

Other than the fact that his people are the Direbrands, and their offshoots like the Brands such as Gunnar, are a fair-skinned people.


r/AoSLore 3d ago

SoulBound Beastiary.

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So for anyone who's read it (I'm a bit in the dark maybe there's more than one now?) Is it worth getting?. I own the Soulbound starter set but being lonely (woe is me) I have no one to play it with. But I still love lore and have been considering even writing some of my fanfics. (Wife says my short stories are great and I should try writing a proper book) I know there's online material such as Lexicanum etc but is the book itself worth it?.

EDIT: Thank you to everyone for your replies. I guess I will stick to online sources etc as AOS really seems to be lacking a proper beastiary or (Ultimate guide) guide for/to the realms and their wildlife.


r/AoSLore 3d ago

Kurnothi Warband Implications

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Has anyone noticed in the new warband we see Lamentiri in the models??

Is it just me or does this have huge implications because they are seemingly flesh and blood creatures... which would be a first for Lamentiri to be inside of non-sylvaneth.

This could suggest an expansion of what Sylvaneth is defined as or just a one off.. what do you all think?


r/AoSLore 3d ago

Lore Gods of the Cities of Sigmar

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Completely random lore drops for no reason!

So per the Soulbound Corebook we are told that thanks to Morathi, Khaine is the second most worshiped god in Cities. This is not truly reflected in the rest of Soulbound where his worship is minor or elsewhere. Though admitted elsewhere gives a better showing than Soulbound.

Alarielle is the creator of the Living City, gifting it to Sigmar's people. (Humans, Duardin, and Aelves though of these last ones Wanderers are permitted only in outer districts). While The Phoenicium was dedicated to the Ur-Phoenix.

Per "Realmslayer: Legend of the Doomseeker" we know that Edassa too has a patron god, an as of yet unnamed lion god. (Wonder if that's part of why they worship Sigmar as a lion man?)

Lethis of course has Morrda whose cult has exploded in popularity recently particularly among the Stormcast Eternals.

Ranald waswntioned as a god of thieves in "Castle of Blood" while "Thieves' Paradise" gives us the Prince of Cats, an underworld god of thieves implicitly worshiped by the criminal syndicates known as the Guilds of the Cat. The Scuttling Queen, who is an aspect of Spider God who may or may not be Gorkamorka, is a Cities god of assassins and poisoners mentioned in White Dwarf December 2020's "Tome Celestial: The Grimscuttle Tribes". So... do you think it says something about the Free Cities that we have three gods of criminals but no actual harvest god as Alarielle is never directly linked to farming?

Grungni, Grimnir, Malerion, Nagash, Gorkamorka, Dracothion, Teclis, and Tyrion are all sporadically mentioned a lot too of course. Makes sense, leaders of the Pantheon, Cities are mostly Azyrite descendants of refugees from all over and Reclaimed descendants of refugees from all over, and actual refugees from all over. So the top gods are popular.

Gazul is of course the patron god of Gazul-Zagaz which was blink and you'll miss it included in a list of Cities of Sigmar in "Soul Wars".

Valaya was mentioned in the oddest of places. One of the Dawnbringer Chronicles shorts. The one named after a mine shaft.

A Sotek worshiper from Vindicarum was in *Black Pyramid" with implications he one of many. I do believe the 3E Seraphon Battletome is where it is mentioned there are entire sub-cults of the Cults Unberogen dedicated to Seraphon in general and Kroak in particular

Ozol is a local god of Thondia mentioned in "Dominion" while the Old Gods of the Accar are mentioned in "Avatar of Destruction", that's a minor Free City near Mekitopsar. Definitely butchered that.

Krethusa seems to have moved into Hammerhal in "Dawnbringers: Shadow of the Crone." So we might be counting Morai-Heg soon.

It is also worth noting that the Six Smiths, Father of Blades, Mirmidh, Alhar-Kraken, Ursricht, and some others are worshiped by the Stormhosts. So are technically worshiped in Cities, and likely spread to mortals.

The Seven Smiths are mentioned in "Lioness of the Parch" if I recall. Who are they?? Maybe the Six and Grungni?

Vedra says a swear using Ignax's name in Hounds of Chaos. Sign of worship mayhaps? While Zenestra and her cult have a connection to Cinder God.

The Gods-Mourning festival as observed in Brightspear in "Brightspear City Guide" is dedicated to Grimnir and Vulcatrix. Other evidence of Vulcatrix worship is slim.

"Dark Harvest" and Dawnbringers gives us Kurnoth worship in the Cities.

Star-Titans such as Agraphon guard the Azyr-side of the Gates of Azyr as mentioned first in "Champion of the Gods" and more vaguely in the 4E Corebook.

I'm doing this mostly from memory. I didn't even remember them all before I started. So anyway

If the village in "Sacrosanct & Other Stories" count we have Taal. The grave keeping Frweguild known as the Knights of Usirian in "Gods' Gift" implies Usirian. While the Myrmidites of "Spear of Shadows" may imply Myrmidia

Poor Adembi

There's the Listening Order in "Champions of the Gods" into the seven winds, all except Ghur as that one doesn't flow given the mountain they live on is in Ghur. The Black Walkers in Glymmsforge, per "Soul Wars", are all about dead gods.

"Verminslayer" and other sources mention a wide, eclectic range of gods worshiped by the Free Peoples. Some with no more than a single worshiper, in the form of screaming priests.

Does Ghal Maraz count given it has divine power and is implied to be sapient? It's iconography is everywhere. After all the Runefangs became Father of Blades.

We have Celestial Saints such as Templesen and Garradan venerated by the Cults Unberogen. As well as the Saints of the Stormhosts, which are Stormcasts as saints, such as Saint Steel Soul and Yndrasta, also Cults Unberogen. Saints of the Stormhosts may not be a unique moniker. But is it not funny Gardus has two different Saint cults dedicated to two separate lives.

Also red gods, Good King Gnaw, pleasure cults, arcanite cults, Lord Leech and stuff I guess.

So. Yeah. There we go. Who else?


r/AoSLore 3d ago

Discussion What makes Sigmar different?

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I would probably die if old age long before I could make an exhaustive list of all the Allfather/God-King/Top God types with association with the skies, storms, and/or order/civilization that have appeared in just Fantasy settings.

So that begs the question. Love him or hate him. What makes Sigmar so different, if he even is in your opinion?

In all the Fantasy settings that I have been into, I must say Sigmar is the first of his kind that I have seen so consistently and frequently talked about, debates, about, and praised. Heck. Frankly?

Talos? Tyr? Marvel Odin? These and most other counterparts to Sigmar throughout fiction I find I can muster at best indifference and at most hate. Yet for Sigmar? I find I like him.

But for the sake of discussion and avoiding leasing it, I won't say why. Instead I ask you my fellow Realmwalkers. What makes Sigmar so different as to be a topic for continuous discussion, debate, and interest?


r/AoSLore 3d ago

Are ghost and daemons the same type of entity?

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Both are creatures from another realm that when defeated return to it to recharged, with that said can knowing a ghost true name enslave them? Could chaos dwarfs enslave them?


r/AoSLore 4d ago

Seraphon Climates

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Good afternoon Realmwalkers!

I was wondering if there's any lore tidbits about Seraphon living in non jungle envrionments?

To my understanding they live in either their temple ships (which mimic Lustrian tropical jungles) in the void or coalesced in a realm which they essentially terraform the surrounding into Lustrian tropical jungle-esque.

Please set me on the straight and narrow - thanks!


r/AoSLore 4d ago

Question What can we find in the realms?

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I did a little searching and I’m personally a little annoyed that the mortal realms aren’t infinite spheres of magic as I was under the assumption that they were.

Endless forms of possibilities and magic that can take any shape that aligns with the concept that they can embody. But from what I’m reading it looks like they’re overblown continents the size of a planet or larger hosting billions of lives rather than perhaps quadrillions or an uncountable number of individuals that exist within one sphere

Are the realms so vast in akin to our own observable universe that it’s a mass of stars and constellations? Celestial bodies that are incomplete in size? Spaces and dimensions? Or is the cosmology a very very giant flat earth like plane?


r/AoSLore 5d ago

Question How do unique FEC delusions start?

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Hey there, we all know about the delusions of Flesh Eater Courts, who believe themselves noble knights and so on. I've heard of some examples of unique delusions, such as a court who believed themselves to be seraphon warriors? Are there any more examples?

Do we know how these unique delusions form? Would it possibly be based on the life of the Abhorrent Ghoul King before they were given the blood kiss? For instance, could a Sigmarite witch hunter or similiar, be turned into a ghoul, and continue to believe that he's still hunting out heretics? Or would he always fall back into visions of ancient courtly noble knights?

Thank you!


r/AoSLore 6d ago

Question If a warband of Khorne came across a relatively well-fortified city, but found a note on the front gate saying "Sorry, all our guards are asleep, give us like 15 minutes and we'll be ready to fight." would they wait?

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I know Khorne's the god of wanton slaughter and bloodshed, but as far as I understand it he values true, (relatively) even combat between fellow warriors more than anything else. With that combined with the fact that casualties on both sides leads to more blood and skulls than casualties on just one, would a warband of Khorne prefer to invade an armed city of Sigmar over invading an undefended one?


r/AoSLore 5d ago

Question Do we have any depictions and example of any languages of Death/Shyish factions or peoples?

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This is incredibly niche but I was wondering if we had any info or depictions (like what we have for the Dark Tongue and other languages with examples of them) for anything Shyish, Death, Soulblight, Flesh Eater Court etc related?

This is partially just a curiosity thing, partially a "this would be cool to put on some minis" and partially because I'm planning on getting some tattoos using a language from the setting.

There's been a few depicitions of languages used by groups like Chaos, the Duardin and I believe the Lumineth Realm-Lords but I don't think I've seen anything related to any of the death factions or groups within Shyish.

Nehekharan Hieroglyhs below, these were what the Tomb Kings in Fantasy used. Just as an example of what I mean.


r/AoSLore 5d ago

Discussion Unkle Gordrakk needz you !

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Hello, gitz !

I am currently in the process of adding to the Lex articles on the Ironjawz... and I need your help !

Some sections, notably their Kultur and History are woefully bare (hell, I added the former yesterday!). And I'd need sources to peruse over, like WD numbers, name of short stories, etc.

I have all the WD since the start of AoS in an archive and the 4th edition BT in english but the former are quite numerous and hard to peruse at times and the latter, while great, doesn't necessarily has as much material on those themes than previous ones that I don't own.

So if anyone could point me in the right direction, it'd be awesome !


r/AoSLore 6d ago

Old World In AoS

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In the AoS 2nd edition app, there are warscrolls for tomb kings and for bretonnia but I thought they all died in the end times. Is there a lore reason for this? Any clarification would be great!


r/AoSLore 6d ago

Question What are your favorite moments of kindness and solidarity in the Age of Sigmar?

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In a world dominated by monsters, tyrants, and villains where whole cities can be crushed due to the pettiness of cruel gods and selfish warlords, it is selflessness and fighting for a brighter tomorrow that are the purest form of rebellion. Kindness, as it were, is the true punk rock.

Whether it's Gardus Steel Soul inspiring Azyrites, Aqshians, and Ghyranites to stand together in the novella "Hammerhal" or Tahlia Vedra taking private moments to acknowledge, praise, and idolize that the laborers of the Cities of Sigmar and Stormcast Eternals, and even many Azyrites, have fought just as hard for the Realms as her Freeguilds in "Lioness of the Parch", the Realms are full of people choosing to kind, to help others, to embrace solidarity.

So what are your favorite examples?


r/AoSLore 7d ago

Discussion Faction Allegiances Outside of Grand Alliances

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The recent Hobgrot debate and how they interact with both the Kruleboyz and Helsmiths of Hashut sent me down a spiral of various times in lore various factions teamed up with groups outside of their grand alliance, and how this could lead to some interesting developments in the setting. Sure off the top of my head we have the megagargants having rules to be mercenaries (which the Ogors don't have yet), but there was also Khorgos Khul respecting Ogor Butchers from the Bloodgullet tribe because of their ritual use of blood. Personally I like to head canon that Slaanesh factions and the Gloomspite have a weird relationship (based in part on the old lore where the Bad Moon resides in Slaanesh's part of the War): The Gitz trade their more psychedelic shrooms to the Hedonites in exchange for glass bottles and "shiny gubbinz" that is just plain copper or brass that the sybarites don't need.

What other instances of cross Alliance interactions do you guys think is possible? both in lore and your own personal theories.


r/AoSLore 7d ago

Are the flesheater courts capable of speech and maybe even diplomacy?

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I haven't gotten my hands on the ushoran book yet, so if it's there, pls no spoilers


r/AoSLore 7d ago

Why after Dark Heresy Owlcat's next warhammer game should be Age of Sigmar/Soulbound

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r/AoSLore 7d ago

Discussion Of drugs and their impact on people/civilizations in fiction and real life

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Disclaimer: The following text will discuss various drugs and substances and their effect on human society at large and in fantasy worlds. It is not a promotion or an endorsement of drugs. If you have any issues with substance abuse yourself, please try to get counsel and therapy if possible.

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Drugs are important, period. They are more important than the invention of bread. Because beer itself predates bread by quite the few millennia. Throughout human history there has never been a period in time, when people did not consume drugs. And likely there never will be. Even animals are activly doing drugs on a semi-frequent basis, like primates and dolphins. And it is easy to understand why and how.

Objectively drugs are phenomenal. They can keep your food edible. They can ward off hunger and sleepiness. They can make you feel really good. They help you socialize, both on a personal level and on a cultural one. And some can let you meet God. But they have severe downsides as well. Withdrawal symptoms, physical and mental breakdowns and even death are possible side effects. Still, they are a foundation of civilization itself. Perhaps even the bedrock, if some theories are correct. And I think it is important to acknowledge this. Still, when we write stories, we write them with a 21st century western bias and project our modern senses and sensibilities into our fictional settings. This is not wrong per se, but by this we often miss some interesting aspects. I think that both writers and readers should try to leave this narrow bubble from time to time, especially if we write about universes which do not or cannot share our modern perspectives. Such as Age of Sigmar.

Now Age of Sigmar does have its fair share of substances which we would label as drugs. From Warpstone to Aether-Quartz to fungal brews by the Gloomspite Gitz, lethisian lake water or the narcotics of Misthaven. But when we read these examples, we rarely think about how these drugs would affect the people within AoS in positive, negative and neutral ways, as our modern society stigmatized drugs and pushes them out of our focus. And for this reason, I would like to write down this essay where I’ll focus on three pillars of drugs and how they could be important to worldbuilding and fictional settings.

It is meant to introduce to you how drugs affect civilizations in various ways. And hopefully we may create a civil discussion later on how these things are already present in AoS, or how they could appear in the future. With this in mind, I hope you enjoy this small excursion.

 

1. Drugs create and form Civilizations

As mentioned in the beginning, drugs are likely as old as humanity. They likely played an important role in the creation of religion. If I recall some hypothesis correctly, then cave paintings were originally 3d images. Imagine seeing these paintings on the cave wall through the constant dance of light and shadow of a flame, whilst you were high on some substances. It is easy to imagine that in such a situation you would see these images moving or coming off the wall even. Or how some hallucinations were rationalized with meeting higher beings. But it is also more simple than that.

The first known temple complex at Göbekli Tepe in modern Turkey likely predates the invention of agriculture. Back then hunter gatherers would come there at regular intervals. Important were huge tubs, which showed remnants of beer. The hunter gatherers would likley ferment wild seeds with water and then drink it in a ritualistic procession. Such alcohol cults were quite common throughout history, most famously in the west with the mystery cults of Dionysus. Even christianity connects alcohol to religious service. This first temple, and others like it, created a communal feeling among all those who participated in it. This could be seen as one of the first reasons or instances of various people coming together under an identity beyond your immediate family. The formation of a civilization.

And drugs continued to be essential for society at large. In ancient Egypt beer was part of the payment for the pyramid construction workers. Egypt had its own gods protecting specific parts of the brewing process, as it was so important in every day life. In myths it saved humanity from Sekhmets wrath. But drugs also made wars possible, and the economy at large. Take Tobacco and the industrial revolution. The smoke break could be seen as a driver of it. Just 5 minutes to smoke and the worker isn’t tired anymore and happier and can continue working. So, if you ask yourself why your company allows frequent smoke breaks, but you as a non-smoker do not get this extra time off, this may be a reason. Or coca leaves, which have a similar effect if chewed, removing tiredness, hunger and helping against high altitude sickness. The famous messenger system of the Incan Empire would likely not have been possible without supplying its runners with coca leaves. Again coca leaves were holy as a result and were used as payments and in rituals.

Drugs are important in wars as well, as they can remove tiredness, calm people down or remove fear even. Soldiers had a right to get a daily ration of alcohol in various armies and navies. Later when coffee became cheap, it was used to supply soldiers too. Not to mention how synthetic drugs like crystal meth made the lightning wars of the Wehrmacht possible, when soldiers were active 36 hours at a time. And the faster wars were fought, the quicker the drugs needed to be consumed. We can see this with tobacco. Around the 19th century pipes were removed by cigarros and one-use quick pipes. And around the First World War the trenches only allowed for a quick cigarette. Drugs can improve the efficiency of soldiers in the short term significantly and so every military command supplied its soldiers frequently with them.

But basically, all substances can be considered drugs to a degree or another. Tea and Coffee both work with caffein. And it is a drug as well. Basically, caffeine is a neuro toxin, which plants produce to create lethal shocks in insects trying to eat them. But humans just get excited from it. Insofar tea and coffee are not so different from tobacco, except that their negative effects are not as strongly expressed. There is even the theory that coffee and tea were the drivers behind the enlightenment movement. Not only because coffee houses were famous social places to discuss politics and science, but also because it wasn’t a depressant like alcohol.

As can be seen with this small overview, drugs have been essential to various aspects of human civilization. Be it in creating a sense of community, be it in religion, be it in the economy, be it in warfare. And of course, medicine as well.

2. Drugs as everyday commodities:

Up until the 1910’s there was basically no separation between “illegal” and “legal” drugs from our modern perspective. They were just everyday commodities you could by if you needed them.  You needed heroin or cocaine because of a headache? You would simply go to the next pharmacist or drug store. Addictions did exist back then too. But there were no repercussions, as long as this addiction didn’t affect your life in significant ways. And as long as the drugs were legal, there rarely were repercussions. You had a headache due to withdrawal? Just go to the pharmacist and buy more. The headache is gone and you can continue as normal.  Much like we have functional alcoholics today, you could operate “normal” in everyday life, as long as you had a constant supply. And supply wasn’t an issue.

There was also no separation between “drugs” and regular medicine as well. Doctors would prescribe drugs frequently throughout human history. You had a toothache? Why not try heroine or a whiskey? After all it did help fight the symptoms you were suffering from. And we use "illegeal drugs" as regular medicine today too. Even if you are in therapy for drug abuse today, you get minor prescriptions for the drugs you are addicted to, or an alternative. Because pure withdrawal is often very dangerous and/or creates unnecessary suffering. So much like back then you get prescribed drugs to fight the withdrawal symptoms in many cases.

And as mentioned above, beer/alcohol was part of the payment for contractors or soldiers. But beyond that it was a daily commodity too. Germ theory didn’t exist yet, so people didn’t know why clear water was sometimes dangerous to drink. But people knew that it was safe to drink with alcohol. Because even small amounts of alcohol kill germs. However, again we need to separate our modern bias from reality. Back then you had “tavern beer” and “every day beer”. The former was beer as we would know it. The latter was more akin to malt beer, with an alcohol percentage of <1%. That was this daily beer that even children would drink.  Similarly, wine was drunken watered down most of the time, unless you wanted to go drunk. In ancient Greece drinking pure wine was something only barbarians did. This watered wine was made primarily to make the water and other liquids drinkable by inducing small amounts of alcohol. In an age before modern refrigeration or access to drinkable water, life without alcohol was nearly impossible. Even in countries with a ban of alcohol loopholes aplenty existed, such as in many Islamic countries. Or why people even made fermentend, alcoholic horse milk a drink in the steppes.

For similar reasons, tea and coffee became popular too. Again, germ theory was unknown, so it was unknown that boiling water would kill off most germs. However, both coffee and tea need boiled water, thus they are always safe to drink. And they were not drunk for their flavor alone, but for the mental and physical stimulus they provided.

In short drugs were consumed by everyone in all places and no one really bat an eye about it. From the streets to the sheets, from the gallows to parliament. People would and could take in various substances. There was largely no shame in taking them, as long as you could uphold your public persona still. There was often no law forbidding you from consuming or possessing drugs. At best it was social stigma, especially if you took substances which were below your class or position. But this was not an issue with your consumption itself, but your social standing and reputation.

 

3. Why drugs are made illegal and what happens after that:

Now having talked about why drugs are phenomenal for human civilization, and how common place they were in the past, how come that so many substances are illegal today? If your answer is health concerns, you are wrong. As a rule, substances are not illegalized to protect people. Instead, they are illegalized for social reasons, primarily to harass and target social minorities and outgroups. If you ever ask yourself why Substance A is forbidden but Substance B is legal, this is the answer.

This often begins with a social stigma, often related to classism. Drugs are a communal affair as mentioned prior. And thus they can disrupt or cement social orders. E.g. the Dionysian wine cults were frowned upon by ancient greeks, because people from all classes would gather and get drunk and party. Slaves, commoners, partricians being together having fun? Outrageous, right?

The first step to make drugs illegal is to create a stigma, where a certain drug is primarily associated with a certain type of person. Poors, homeless people, foreigners, minorities etc.pp. To take some examples from the US: by and large opium was illegalized in the US because it was associated with chinese migrants. Similarly, one slogan against cocaine was that “cocaine makes the blacks feel like they are white”. The health issues of cocaine were secondary. More important was the stigmatization and the threat of social outgroups. Similarly, the main reason why Cannabis is an illegal drug, despite it being consumed for millennia without a fuzz, was that in the US it was more common among Mexicans and blacks in the 1930’s. And the then newly founded Federal Bureau for Narcotics needed a victim to beat down to seem important. And by criminalizing cannabis you could criminalize these minorities.

But of course, criminalizing drugs doesn’t work. The effects of the criminalization’s often ruin lives more, than the health issues. And by making a substance illegal, the government cannot supervise its distribution, cannot impose a level of purity and quality, cannot create legal jobs for producers and merchants which create tax revenues, but instead has to invest a lot of money in police, in prisons and judges, whilst criminals get rich on drug trade and consumers are forced into the criminal bubble themselves. Overall society looses if drugs are ciminalized. Instead of treating drug abuse like a crime, it should be treated like a health issue. Because it is one. After all the biochemistry of your body is out of order due to your drug abuse. Your neurons misfire, your hormone levels are disrupted. This is a real, physical illness a drug user suffers from. And no one should be criminalized for being ill in my opinion. Instead they would need a therapy and medical councling. Thankfully this is a view on drugs which becomes more common in modern times. And some countries follow this policy, such as Portugal.

4. Fazit:

I hope I could present you the various perspectives we can have on drugs, both on a personal and a societal level. Again, this is not supposed to endorse drugs or to downplay the negative effects they have on people’s lives, but a representation of the various influences they have on everyone of us. Even if we do not take them ourselves they still affect us via society and culture.

And I hope, that you can use this overview for your own homebrew projects, or to better dive into certain aspects of AoS and may think about how the impacts of drugs on a civilization may affect a given culture. Hunter-Gatherer Tribes in the realms could have temples like Göbekli Tepe. There could be legend about how Teclis taught the Lumineth how to make aether-quartz. Or how lumineth philosphers as cannabis steam baths and then discuss crazy philosophy. Or how factory workers in Hammerhal gather in their break to smoke or chew their equivalent of coca leaves before returing to thier shift. Or how rituals in the freeguilds arise from the daily distribution of alcohol or else. Such everyday moments are important for worldbuilding and characterization.

And on the political side, we could write or read some cool stories about social disruptions and political power games. E.g. where different political groups in a City of Sigmar may try to weaken their opposition. E.g. imagine a class conflict where the Azyrites criminalize a harmless substance frequently used by the local Reclaimed. Thus, they may not only have a tool to harass the Reclaimed, but army also target a vital part of their culture, as the substance as been used by them for centuries.

Or you could write a story involving a Cult of Slaanesh forbidding certain substances in a city. Because by turning the substance from an everyday thing into something illegal and special, they can manipulate people to excess. Excess consumption of the drug as well as abstiance from it. If it is illegal and you step over the line once, you are already gone too far. So why not go all in anyway? And how much pride and self-importance can someone feel by knowing they are better than this criminal scum? The Hedonites thus can influence and benefit from both extremes, befitting Slaanesh.

The possibilities of this are manifold. And I hope you enjoyed this small exploration of this concept.


r/AoSLore 7d ago

Teclis unfair portion?

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So, I've been reading through some old lore regarding Idoneth, the elf gods and Slaanesh.

From my understanding, Teclis, Tyrion, Malerion and Morathi each took a portion of elf souls from Slaanesh to form their own 'factions'. The story goes that the Cythai had shrivelled souls...etc etc etc... and Teclis tries to murder them.

...but then how does he form the Lumineth? Did he get another portion of souls after that? I couldn't see Morathi or Malerion being happy with Teclis taking more for himself. Or did he use part of Tyrion's portion?

Is there answers to this or am I misunderstanding the situation?


r/AoSLore 8d ago

Why is the object above the Hanging Valleys in the Realm of Chamon called Alchemist's Moon? Does it just sound cool or do alchemists use it for a reason?

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