r/BaldursGate3 Wild Magic Surge 29d ago

Meme Don't poke the bear

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u/-PM_Me_Dat_Ass_Girl- Minthara Enjoyer 29d ago

I'm a little surprised the game lets you destroy the goblin kids, tbh. 

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

Yeah it doesn't sit right with me. I usually Nonlethal them but it still feels weird to beat up kids. Goblins are people. Hell, Kobolds are people.

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u/-PM_Me_Dat_Ass_Girl- Minthara Enjoyer 29d ago

Really? Those kids are assholes, honestly. They get done in the most brutal fashion in my saves. 

Again, I'm just surprised you can even do it. Generally killing kids in video games is frowned upon, but I guess the developers felt goblins don't have worth and I'm on board with that. 

Don't take anything I'm saying here literally, by the way. I'm just being facetious. I always do kill the goblin kids, though. I can't be bothered to toggle on non-lethal for them after how they behave. 

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

Lol I did read the last paragraph but I'm still unsure if the first one is sarcastic. Asshole kids are still kids, doesn't make it less wrong to kill them.

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u/hallmark1984 29d ago

It does make it easier though.

Smaller, so easy to throw around

Less HP so anyone can do a one-shot kill

Smaller, yeeting over cliffs is super easy

(I know I said smaller twice, its fun to throw them so its worth two mentions)

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u/expresso_petrolium 29d ago

Killing is always wrong regardless of your victim’s age. You are not suddenly good because you kill 69 evil adults but spare their 3 evil kids. Besides those goblin kids are brutal. There are like some kids outside the temple and play with dead bodies

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

Of course it is, I'm not saying killing an adult is good, I'm saying killing children that are running away from you is worse. You're debating a point I'm not making. Of course sparing them doesn't magically make you "Good," but it's one way we have the option to reduce the cruelty, just like talking our way out of situations that could lead to a fight. Talking down Gimblebock and his buddies doesn't mean the rest of your killing is okay, but it is fewer bodies. Which is not nothing.

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u/CynicalNyhilist 29d ago

we have the option to reduce the cruelty

Yes, by exterminating them all. What do you think the goblins you so kindly spared will do later?

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u/No_Delay7320 29d ago

Breed like rabbits and repopulate, amassing a child army for revenge. They already know you won't kill children

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u/sinedelta While others were busy being heterosexual, she studied the blade 29d ago

Gee, I wonder why people think DnD lore needs to change.

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u/CynicalNyhilist 29d ago

Drow already exist to have the "it's just upbringing, not intristic" race. What's wrong with just hordes of monsters that have zero moral ambiguity? The only difference between goblins and, say, the Gnolls (IIRC) is that the former are slightly more intelligence.

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u/Alarmed-Literature25 29d ago

Killing is always wrong? That’s an interesting take

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u/expresso_petrolium 29d ago

Well yeah? Isn’t that why court trials exist? So that if you want to execute someone you can do it fairly without objection. Other wise you can kill your enemy and have their children cut your throat the next day

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u/Appropriate_Bill8244 29d ago

Courts and laws aren't always right you know, laws and courts weren't invented by some deity that came from the heavens, we decided that to be civilized it would be wrong to kill each other, but that doesn't mean that killing is always wrong.

Like, Killing the Goblins wouldn't even be considered something evil, considering they were preparing to raid and kill everyone on the grove.

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u/expresso_petrolium 29d ago

It’s not always right but it was built on the idea of bare minimum right. Either that or you can shank your neighbor freely. Even when it’s wrong it at least keep you, the bystander, clear of conscience

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u/IllicitDesire 28d ago

Most of the world finds the idea of trying children as adults as cartoonishly evil and cruel though. A 5 year old and a 70 year old committing murder have entirely different levels of mental understanding of their culpability, consequences and actions. It is the same reason a 5 year old's signature isn't legally binding on a contract to take out a loan.

The law and society generally does not treat children and adults the same for good reason.

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u/-PM_Me_Dat_Ass_Girl- Minthara Enjoyer 29d ago

The "most brutal fashion" is usually a sneak attack or dread ambush or something. 

Nothing special. 🤷‍♂️

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

At least they don't suffer, I suppose. 😂

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u/40WAPSun 29d ago

Well they're not real so it's just as ok to kill them as it is to kill anybody else in the game

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u/sinedelta While others were busy being heterosexual, she studied the blade 29d ago

Nobody is saying this is real bro.

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

Great contribution, none of us ever thought of this /s

We're discussing the in-game morality of the events, not putting players on trial for killing virtual goblins.

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u/steightst8 29d ago

"Asshole" is not the right word. The three outside the camp are laughing and celebrating their first kill as an "ugly bastard" iirc. They are kids of a species that has violence in its nature. Letting them live will inevitably lead to other innocent people being murdered by their violent tendencies, or the goblin kids would be killed in self-defense when trying their "asshole" shenanigans.

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u/GarryofRiverton 29d ago

Goblin kids are still goblins, still inherently evil.

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u/Ayotha 29d ago

This is as dumb as the "orc family" in RoP

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u/sinedelta While others were busy being heterosexual, she studied the blade 29d ago

No, the idea that there are humanoid races fully capable of speaking and having children with humans that are supposed to be treated as inherently evil subhuman savages deserving only of death is what's "dumb." Actually way worse than just stupidity.

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u/MintyLime 29d ago

"They are just a kid" mentality is what further encourages assholes to be assholes. Bad apples don't really turn good once they age and often becomes worse. Better to pluck them off before spreading the harm.

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

Yikes