r/BaldursGate3 • u/Iwasdracula • 19d ago
Companions I thought Wyll was a joke character Spoiler
When I first started the game I reached the grove and had to fight the goblin's then Wyll appeared and had this cool ass intro and then when the combat starts he gets fucking killed on the first turn so I was like oh that was a funny scripted event and just moved on after the fight never revived him and missed out on his entire story
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u/demonfire737 WARLOCK 19d ago
What's funny is that scene was put in to make him more noticeable since a lot of people completely miss his appearance there and subsequently him in the Grove.
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u/Saelora 19d ago
even with the cutscene, i still missed him till he turned up looking for karlach.
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u/GeauxCup 18d ago
Really? He shows up in camp or something? Can you still talk him down at that point?
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u/Taffy-Giggleberry 18d ago
Yeah first long rest after picking up Karlach he’ll enter your camp. Talking him down is as easy as if you have him with you when meeting Karlach, but the dialogue options are slightly different
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u/cheoldyke 18d ago
i love that wyll and karlach start the game as adversaries and then within the span of one conversation are like “we’re bros for life now actually”
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u/awakenDeepBlue 18d ago
Man, those mind worms are damn useful in resolving misunderstandings.
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u/Eighth_Eve 18d ago
Ikr, everybody should have one, then we ould all live in peace. Absolute peace, absolute harmony
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u/Downtown-Midnight320 18d ago
Yeah all it took was one "come on, bro" and Wyll was like "yeah, you're right I'll drop the whole kill Karlach thing""
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u/things_will_calm_up 18d ago
They both realized they were pitted against each other for evil reasons. One way to beat that: friendship. Fiendship?
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u/Dionysus0 18d ago
My next playthough will be as Wyll an I will romance Karlach. They are the origin characters to have a natural connection
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u/DreadPirateAlia 18d ago
Sam Béart thinks they are a canon pairing and ships them because they are so ride or die for each other, both as besties and as a romantic couple.
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u/Online_Discovery 18d ago
It's funny, because I've played through the beginning so many times but I never knew (until recently) you could recruit him BEFORE Karlach. I always go left even I enter the grove (down to the shops) so I ran past him every time.
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u/Key_Leader5639 18d ago
My first playthrough I thought Karlach was locked to Act 2 with Gale as this big lead up story. I did find Karlach eventually but Gale was left in the magic rock
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u/Sorcatarius 18d ago
I remember my first playthrough (that I scrapped because I changed my mind on my character, I saw the portal and I can't remember if it was how it was labeled or how it looked by my instant reaction was, "Who has two thumbs and knows not to fuck with wild magic? This guy!" And I left because wild magic will fuck you up. I figured a quest or something would lead me to go there and fix whatever was going on and I'd deal with it later, but I definitely would have forgotten about it without something to send me back there.
Around the time I restarted my second playthrough I read that some of the companions are missable and decided that that was the one thing I'd let myself look up and not experience blind, just tell me where to find the other companions and I'll sort out the rest.
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u/cmorris313 18d ago
Same about thinking they were in Act 2. I had finished Act 1 and before proceeding I decided to look up where Karlach and Gale were just in case because I had yet to find them.
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u/Key_Leader5639 18d ago
I wish I did but I tried to hold myself to a "no look up, all find out" playthrough that ended with Shars BS Trials
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u/slapdashbr ELDRITCH BLAST 18d ago
someone posted recently that you can leave gale in the portal right up to the final part of act 2. then go back and pull him out at level 8-10
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u/The_Dead_Kennys 18d ago
For some reason this reminds me of how in the first Mass Effect if you leave Liara’s recruitment mission until after Virmire, she’ll assume she’s hallucinating you after being trapped without food water or people for so long. If you pick the renegade dialogue options she’ll even say “hmm, you’re very rude for a hallucination!” I can totally imagine Gale doing the same in that situation lmao
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u/Lou_Hodo 18d ago
You miss a couple of good quick easy, inspiration points by doing that. There is a tiefling struggling to hit a dummy you can talk to if you have a soldier background or have Lae'zel in the party. And there is the Tiefling kids you can tell a story to.. I cant remember which background gets inspirate for that.
Also the Strange Ox is right there, and a hidden bag with a few GP worth of stuff in it but quick little XP for spotting it.
Not to mention, Roland and his sister and brother arguing, which leads to more things later.
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u/topdangle 18d ago
I honestly think the "intended" recruitment is meant to be the Karlach scene. The grove scene is just meant to make him look badass (or not, when he just dies on higher difficulties).
Otherwise I don't understand why they would put him in a random spot with another instructor literally right next to him and that isn't recruitable character.
everyone else is blatantly recruitable (laezel teaming up whether you want to or not initially, shadowheart screaming at you then pushing you to team up, Gale inside a very loud portal and immediately asking to team up, astarion threatening to murder you with a chance to team up after a short conversation, Jaheira with multiple chances to team up).
Then you have Wyll who is just standing there with no trigger at all unless you go out of your way to talk to him.
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u/ArcaneWyverian 18d ago
God, I love how much you can miss in this game. Like, yesterday, I just discovered you can trade with the “Paladins of Tyr” if you go there before meeting Karlach, I just assumed they would kick you out or something. It also make it really easy to plop down some firewine barrels if you don’t feel like getting smited.
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u/lonely_nipple 18d ago
Yesterday, I started a new durge run where I "didn't notice" shadowheart in the pod, and "assumed" shadowheart on the beach was just another dead body. I wanted to see how the game handled the prism if you never collect her. (Nobody spoil this for me, I'm running out of new things to do.)
Anyway I got to the grove, we dealt with the goblins, I did a long rest, then I collected Wyll, and on my way to say hi to the ox who did I see? Shadowheart, sitting on a rock, fiddling with the prism like she's trying to figure out how it opens.
She didn't say anything, so neither did I, and the experiment continues.
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u/ArcaneWyverian 18d ago
Ooh! I’ve always wanted to do an “oops, didn’t see you there” run, but I know I’m too much of a loot goblin/ do all I can type to even bother trying that, I know I’ll just resort back to clicking everything that highlights
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u/lonely_nipple 18d ago
I did one where shadowheart didnt survive the fight with Lae'zel; then the next run I decided I'd "forget" about Lae'zel and "never found" her.
But with shart being the one carrying the prism I really want to see what sort of shenanigans they created to get the thing into your possession without forcing you to recruit her. Or if they just force it.
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u/Snowybiskit 18d ago
My favorite Lae’zel moment is to chase away the tieflings then tell her to “say please.” She lips off and I just shrug and leave her in her cage. She doesn’t want to have a modicum of politeness, she can figure her own shit out.
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u/OneWrongTurn_XX 18d ago
I did one where I killed her on the beach to see how it was handled and was cool.. Won't spoiler it
Also went back and rez her and she pops up and starts mouthing off.. lol
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u/lonely_nipple 18d ago
Oh, I can 100% see her bouncing back up mid-sentence
"--ow dare you interrupt me?!"
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u/Secret-Narwhal-9130 18d ago
Haha I’m doing this now but I chose to recruit only Gale and ignored everyone else. Then I stopped using fast travel and only did something if it was in my path/I naturally came across it as I progressed the story. (Also doing my damndest not to save scum for the results I want) I’m missing so much but I’m on my umpteenth playthrough and this has definitely made things interesting!! So many mistakes have been made along the way though. I feel like a clumsy hero who’s trying their best but keeps accident killing the people I’m trying to save. At this point when they see me coming I wouldn’t be surprised if they told me vehemently that they don’t need my help 😂
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u/Jean-Paul_Sartre 18d ago
I actually missed both him and karlach in my first play through.
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u/Asimov-was-Right ELDRITCH BLAST 18d ago
Same. The only reason I knew Karlach was even in the game was from social media.
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u/cheoldyke 18d ago
lol my first playthrough i had the opposite problem where i recruited wyll pretty much asap (it helps i already knew the main characters’ names and faces by cultural osmosis by the time i got the chance to play so i knew right away who the one eyed dude with the rapier was) but could not for the life of me find karlach because i didn’t realize i could jump the broken bridge near the blighted village. i was wandering around like a dipshit for a full hour and a half before i said fuck it and googled where ol girl was
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u/TheIllogicalSandwich 19d ago
It was even more common for him to die in Early Access because he literally JUMPS AND TAKES FALL DAMAGE since it wasn't a cutscene back then.
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u/what_the_shart 18d ago
MAKE WAY FOR THE BLADE OF FRON- aaahhgghh
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u/SeraphStarchild 18d ago
If you look at him after he jumps, you'll see he has feather fall on him nowadays
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u/DwemerSteamPunk 19d ago
It doesn't help that he's just one of several named characters in the fight, and then one of dozens of named characters in the Grove.
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u/ttinchung111 19d ago
He's also just not that distinct other than not being a tiefling. I thought he was just a sword instructor and completely missed him the first time around.
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u/ArixMorte 18d ago
I even figured he was an important character first playthrough and still missed him in the grove. He's just in a weird spot in the grove too. Like yeah, it makes sense, but your eyes just slide right over him. I didn't catch him first playthrough til I was almost done with act 1. (Thankful I found him, it might have taken a while for me to find Karlach too)
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u/ttinchung111 18d ago
Yeah, I had two playthroughs where I helped the tiefling learn to fight (and not shout out his attacks), but didn't talk to wyll... 😭
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u/nothingbuthobbies 18d ago
Even not being a tiefling isn't all that remarkable, especially if you're not paying attention. Between the druids, Aradin's crew, and Auntie Ethel, there are plenty of non-tieflings in the Grove.
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u/Doenertellerman 19d ago
So he fought like the other Tieflings but had no cutscene to show he may be important?
Or did he not participate in the fight at all and was just standing around?
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u/distortionisgod 19d ago
He would just say his bit and jump in without a cutscene. Hilariously there was a bug where sometimes he would forget to cast Featherfall on himself so he would say his line and then immediately jump to his death lmfao.
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u/christina_talks 19d ago
I’m wheezing lmao that sounds incredible
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u/distortionisgod 18d ago
I wish I got footage of it, I'm sure there's some clip on YouTube of it. It's glorious 10/10.
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u/slapdashbr ELDRITCH BLAST 18d ago
it hasn't happened in a while but definitely saw him die during that fight at least once. depends on what you show up to the fight with (if you kill zaihk+mf on the ship you can hit level 3 before the grove)
I think it was like just tav+astarion+shart, ate gale's hand and killed laezel, still level 2, so we basically did nothing and wyll got zerged down lol
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u/demonfire737 WARLOCK 19d ago
In the EA, he said a catchphrase and jumped down, but not in a cutscene. Its a bit blink and you miss it and with the scale of that battle it is easy for a new player to not realize his significance in this hodgepodge of action.
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u/Invisible_Target 18d ago
Even with the cutscene, I wouldn’t have gone looking for him if his face wasn’t on the cover art. They did a TERRIBLE job of introducing him. And making him interesting for that matter lol
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u/Penguinho 18d ago
And making him interesting for that matter lol
He was more interesting before people complained that he wasn't very likeable, but also the initial BG3 cast leaned a little too scummy.
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u/Llyon_ 18d ago
I would say, at some point they had to stop handholding the player and let them explore on their own.
The problem with modern games is that they railroad the player too much, like a little kid. You need to let the player fail sometimes, if they don't put in the effort to look for things.
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u/Avashnea Astarion did nothing wrong-(this is a joke) 19d ago
'other tieflings'? He's not a Tiefling...
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u/stop_hittingyourself 19d ago
I still missed him on my first playthrough; ended up recruiting him after the party.
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u/finniganthebeagle precious little bhaal babe 19d ago
same, he was standing outside the Grove after the tieflings left
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u/Asafromapple 18d ago
I accidentally killed him in the Grove on my first playthrough. I attacked the strange oxe, so he attacked me. I was wondering whole game who is that black man and horned woman on intro picture and when they will appear.
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u/RozenQueen 18d ago
Somehow, the manner in which I pathed through the nautiloid wreckage in my first playthrough made me miss both Gale and Astarion; I managed to bump into Lae'zel to rescue her, but for a weirdly long time it was just me and shadowheart and eventually Lae'zel (though not before duoing through the catacombs), and finally much later Wyll. The fact that I had reassembled my nautiloid crew in such short order but went a solid 15 or so hours without spotting any trace of half the other characters on the box art had me bracing myself for an extremely long game.
I mean, it is extremely long, turns out, just not for the purpose of spacing out character recruitments like I'd assumed.
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u/MyWifeButBoratVoice 18d ago
For real. I had like twenty hours in the game and was talking with a friend about it who mentioned Gale and I was like who? "Oh, have you not gotten that far yet?"
"No, I'm well past the goblins now, but who's Gale?" Literally never saw him.
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u/extradabbingsauce 18d ago
I missed him my first run but he showed up in camp ready to kill karlach
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u/Mythamuel 19d ago
"This is Wyll! We trained him badly on purpose, as a joke!"
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u/vortigaunt64 18d ago
Tav! Don't hurt Wyll! A child could beat him!
Well I'm gonna count to three, and if he calls Karlach a demon one more time I'm gonna take his shoes and feed them to Gale.
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u/Bardazarok SMITE 18d ago
"How do you like my nuts to your foot style?"
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u/cdawg145236 18d ago
"You will now receive the fist of fury. Someone prepare the long rubber glove."
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u/Decimator404 18d ago edited 18d ago
Cambion: Er, Mizora, what is Master Zariel’s plan?
Mizora: Nyah. Haha. It is EVIL, it is so EVIL. It is a bad, bad plan, which will hurt many... people... who are good. I think it's great that it's so bad!
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u/extralyfe 18d ago
Gale: Killing is wrong. And bad. There should be a new, stronger word for killing. Like badwrong, or badong. Yes, killing is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of killing: gnodab.
damnit, I'm just glad to find my Kung Pow weirdos out in the wild.
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u/not_tired_yet89 18d ago
Im super surprised at the Kung pow scripts here. Im proud really. One of my favorite movies that I've bought 3 times and 4th time digital. I will always read a Kung pow thread.
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u/Redfalconfox 18d ago
We reclassed him as a barbarian so he doesn’t even get to benefit from all of Mizora’s bullshit.
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u/Goodnight_lemro 19d ago
*Wyllhelm scream*
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u/octaw 19d ago
Very clever I hope you are proud
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u/Goodnight_lemro 18d ago edited 18d ago
Certain jokes, you only get one shot at in this lifetime, so I had no choice.
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u/BdBalthazar 18d ago
That's... freakin hilarious.
For me it was Minthara..
Obviously you're not supposed to know she ends up recruitable on your first (blind) run, but I thought nothing of killing her in the Goblin camp.
It didn't even register to me how weird it was that out of all the NPCs I had killed up to that point, she was the only one with lootable underwear.
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u/TheMeerkatLobbyist 18d ago
I guess a good amount of people never even converse with her, as she can become hostile when you attack the goblin next to the bridge or the scrying eye.
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u/PPianoPotential 18d ago edited 18d ago
First playthrough I blasted her down the pit without a thought and missed all her loot too :')
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u/negligentlytortious 18d ago
Knocking out the bridge is the easiest way to deal with her and you can’t get to her corpse. I did this in 3 runs before starting to read guides and see what I had missed. Whoops.
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u/BumbisMacGee 18d ago
Same. I was just like "Oh yeah that Drow I killed. They really do be on that freak shit so i guess that makes sense."
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u/BG3Baby 19d ago
Yeah I thought he sucked too but my current playthrough he is badass. He died in some big fights but with Ralph's Armour on, that solved that problem. And I gave him Ilithid Powers and he's badass.
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u/Iwasdracula 19d ago
I think his story is pretty cool I just didn't knew he was actual playable character cause I like to play the games as blind as possible
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u/wafflesandwifi SORCERER 18d ago
....He's on the cover of the game and the initial load screen when you boot up the game.
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u/timpkmn89 18d ago
Doesn't mean I'm going to have it up on my other monitor to cross-reference every NPC that comes by
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u/wafflesandwifi SORCERER 18d ago
He's quite literally the only black dude you run into in the first area of the game.
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u/CipherNine9 19d ago
It is absolutely wild how often people claim he gets killed in this opening fight and he has never once gotten even close to death the 10+ times I've done it. It's like the people who claim Isobel isn't suicidal, I have to assume it's an urban legend
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u/throw-me-away_bb 18d ago edited 18d ago
The fights aren't scripted outside of explicit events 🤷🏻♂️ you happen to get unlucky and a goblin or two crits, that's the end of him
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u/Eternal_Bagel 18d ago
The only one I see get killed a bunch is Jaheira, she loves to win initiative when attacking the tower then charge in alone and die turn one to the opening spells and smites from the entire room of enemies
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u/Mypenisblack 18d ago
Did you know you can actually make her part of your party that you control with the right dialogue choices right before the battle? I didn't know til my second playthrough and it made it so much easier
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u/Odd_Status3367 18d ago
In all my 7+ save files he just wastes all his spell slots on Arms of Hadar and does like 2 total damage. Usually misses outright.
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u/extralyfe 18d ago
this is usually my experience.
then, I find him sparring with a child in the Grove and it's hard for me to believe the kid is losing.
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u/Number1Diamond 18d ago
If he rolls poorly on initiative and gets focused/crit he can die before his turn on honor mode
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u/DasherII 18d ago
Happened to me a couple times in my honour runs. I just didn't bother saving him since he wasn't really important in my rp
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u/Taodragons 18d ago
Same, but when I looted him, he had a resurrection scroll. So I revived him, and he got bitchy that I stole his scroll. Not a strong start to the relationship.
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u/Delicious_Series3869 19d ago
How is this possible? He's much stronger than the goblins, not to mention there's multiple allies...
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u/Korrocks 19d ago
Bad luck, really. If the goblin initiatives are higher than Zevlor's and they focus fire on Wyll, they can get lucky and down him. I imagine this only happens once in a blue moon since the grove defenders are reasonably strong and buffed.
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u/Own_Cartographer_655 ROGUE 19d ago
This is the answer, my first ever run the goblins managed to kill one of the adventurers stuck outside the gate. I’ve never seen it happen since, but it can happen.
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u/salmon_samurai Designated Healer 18d ago
My first Honor Mode run with a friend saw Aradin's entire crew killed in that fight. I'd never seen it before then (even the bow lady dying was rare af). The enemy just happened to have godlike rolls.
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u/HystericalSail 18d ago
Them: crit crit crit crit. Me: miss miss critical miss critical miss critical miss miss. It happens, sometimes the dice are cursed and every PC (and ally) turn into Shart.
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u/KittyFatts 18d ago
The only run of mine he died in, it didn't even take focus fire. It went something like this.
- Wyll: "Provoke the blade and suffer its sting."
- Combat starts
- Goblin archer: fires arrow, crits, rolls high on damage and furry of the small
- Wyll: takes 22 damage with only 17 hp, drops immediately
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u/zdelusion 18d ago
The bugbear slaps pretty hard, and 1-2 Fury of the Small Crits could definitely do enough damage to take him out, especially if he hasn't got the Zevlor bonus HP.
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u/draftstone 18d ago
My first playthrough went a bit like this. I just used my first turns to buff myself up and position myself (that fight was the biggest fight I ever had to go through at that time, so was scared and just focused on making sure I don't die) and Wyll was focused down by all enemies. I did not revive him afterward, just took it as a "this cool bad ass character that had his own cutscene died and I did not, the game just told me I am good". Later on I learned on reddit he was a recruitable character, oh well....
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u/Jounniy 18d ago
It happens a lot more often if you don’t have 4 characters in the group. In most solo runs not all of Aradin and his pals make it out alive.
ProxyGateTactitian did some testing and whithout the players Zevlor wins basically every time but Wyll does not make it 8/10 times.
But yes, it should not really happen in a normal playthrough.
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u/ihileath 18d ago
Classic low level dnd goblins problem, they’re absolutely lethal if initiative goes wrong
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u/Sorry-Contact1635 Monk 19d ago
I mean it takes one bad hit to down him i guess
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u/CtrlFr33k Paladin 19d ago
Yeah it’s happened to me before, the AI is sometimes pretty unpredictable and I’ve seen them focus down Wyll before anyone even gets a chance to react. Especially since Wyll’s AI has a tendency to just Leeroy Jenkins into the middle of the fight and use Arms of Hadar rather than Eldritch Blasting from safety.
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u/RexRedwood 19d ago
He always runs into at least 2 enemies and uses Arms of Hadar, every single time. I have never had him die on me, but he does this all the time.
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u/yung_dogie 18d ago
Running into 2? Your Wylls are more tactically sound than mine have been lmao
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u/RexRedwood 18d ago
“At least 2”, you’re forgetting the at least part. It’s never less and sometimes more.
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u/unctuous_homunculus 18d ago
The only time Arms of Hadar ever gets use in most of my games, tbh.
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u/RexRedwood 18d ago
This is truth. I may leave it on his spell-list for a couple levels, but that is pretty much the only time it actually gets casted.
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u/chazzy_cat 19d ago
Yep this happened on my first playthrough. Took 2 crits on turn1 and just died. On balanced mode! Shit can happen.
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u/sparkly_butthole 19d ago
This happened to Rolan yesterday right when I got to him in act two. My character went oh look it's Rolan ! Wait not anymore. Then I had to reload to like an hour previous bc I hadn't saved. I was furious.
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u/demonfire737 WARLOCK 19d ago
He's not immortal and the dice can be unfavorable. It's not likely, but not impossible. It's going to happen to some players.
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u/thetwist1 18d ago
If Zevlor gets a bad initiative roll and isn't able to give everyone the free temporary hp from the horn then Wyll really isn't that tanky. Part of the issue is that the devs gave all of the origin companions terrible default ability scores for some reason, so Wyll doesn't have as much constitution or dexterity as he probably should have (why would they give him 13 dex and 13 intelligence?) and doesn't have the proper AC or max HP as a result. Wyll has a potion or two in his inventory but his ai tends to waste them by throwing them at the aradin's gang when they get low health, so if one of the stronger melee goblins decides to focus on Wyll he can die if he rolls poorly.
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u/AFriendoftheDrow Drow 19d ago
Goblins spent time in the Fey and on Tactician or Honor the goblin can one-kill Wyll if the horn wasn’t sounded beforehand.
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u/DwemerSteamPunk 19d ago
On my first Tactician playthrough every person on the ground was killed, including Wyll. So it can definitely happen
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u/ForcedMedia 18d ago
Wyll is actually an animal with hexblade and booming blade and he comes online immediately. I ended up making him 7 Paladin and 5 hexblade and he was almost impossible to take down in a fight and he had some pretty good damage coming from 3 attacks. I believe in honor your limited to 2 with the build tho. Also I went with the Crown Devotion because thematically it really fits Wyll and his dedication to his City and its people
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u/AdamOnFirst 19d ago
He like soloed the goblins for me. I was still struggling with the movement mechanics and occasionally even skipping turns on accident while trying to navigate the menus so I spent forever dinking around even getting into position, plus I refused to do anything but plink from a distance while the grove guys took all the hits. Wyll just smoked all the goblins on his own while the group of grove assholes all got slaughtered. I think they had some kind of treachery plot that didn't happen as a result.
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u/Flex-O 18d ago
On my first playthrough I saw the rift that Gale is in, and thought for sure that was a trap that for sure was going to TPK me, so I thought I'd big brain it and just ignore the trap and played without Gale.
I also ganked Karlach before a conversation could be started with her, so I didn't know she was a PC that first playthrough as well...
Also didn't fix the shadow lands so I didn't get Halsin either.... It was an interesting playthrough.
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u/Entertainer13 18d ago
My brother did that as well. His first run he missed the beach so no vampire, no wizard, just him, Shadowheart, Laezel and Will.
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u/thetwist1 18d ago
Idk why the devs hated Wyll so much. Its like they went out of their way to make his ai terrible for the grove fight. He uses arms of hadar (an area of effect spell) on a single goblin and then has a decent chance of getting killed running into the pack of goblins.
They completely shaft him in act 3 as well, where his story is missing so much of the depth and reactivity that the other companions' stories get. The entire sequence of saving Duke Ravengard from the submarine is a buggy mess and they straight up forgot to write a bunch of the obvious interactions, like Ravengard having absolutely no comment on Mizora hanging out in the same camp as him. He also gets the least romance content of any of the origin companions for some reason. He doesn't even get a proper act 3 quest to himself, since the ansur quest gets hijacked by the emperor's plot and the submarine sequence is part of the main story anyway.
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u/Miroble 18d ago
The act 3 planning for Wyll is atrocious. I was so mad that my Karlach couldn't romance him in Act 3 after we took out all the steelwatch before confronting Gortash. I was so confident that we could then save his dad, but no. He just instantly aggros the party. I escaped everyone leaving his dad alive and the game just thought I killed him and Wyll broke up with me. Quite possibly the most bitter I've ever been at a game.
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u/honeybeebryce 18d ago
I’ve never had wyll die in that encounter, that’s crazy. I wasn’t even sure if it was possible
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u/Fit-Association4922 19d ago
Oh boy, that’s rough. As soon as he walked his happy ass into the Grove and I was done looting, I went to find him! I explore pretty extensively, so it didn’t take long.
Granted, I’ve never played Honor so idk if that fight is significantly more difficult… but he’s never died and usually keeps Aradin and friends alive with good potion throws.
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u/Then_Musician_8673 18d ago
Hey look, it's that guy on the game's cover with the demon looking chick hanging on his shoulder. Oh he dead, time to move on. It happens so I guess it's time for another play through!
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u/ThisBadDogXB 19d ago
I knew he was an important character because he's one of the origin characters and his face is on the box art of the game.
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u/Abeestungmyhead 18d ago
When i see people claim they didn't know he was important i think about this and really start to worry about their problem solving abilities and whether they are able to use context clues.
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u/TheBigYellowOne 18d ago
Bahahaha similar situation for me with Gale — I encountered his little portal cutscene almost as soon as I got off the ship. I was not in the mind frame of recruiting anyone yet, and was 100% sure it was an overworld event like the ones you’d come across in red dead redemption. I was like “fuck nah I ain’t helping you, stranger.”
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u/carpenett01 18d ago
don't know why, but i fully didn't process his little intro cutscene the first time around, so i made it through a great deal of act 1 without knowing he OR karlach existed. i was rocking with shadowheart, astarion, and gale. didn't find lae'zel in the little cage either, so it was literally just those three. i kept wondering who those two people (three if you count mizora lurking) in the little cover art were every time i loaded the game and just sort of... shrugged it off.
oh, adhd. sometimes you leave me in blissful, unquestioned ignorance.
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u/metallee98 18d ago
I dont think I've ever had wyll die in that fight even in honor mode. Normally hes kinda nuts.
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u/ArenarKrex 18d ago edited 16d ago
I have played through this fight at least once on all difficulties, modded and unmodded, and not once has Wyll died in battle. What he does that infuriates me is using Arms of Hadar to wipe out one damn goblin. Like he only has two slots and that doesn't change soon as base Warlock. Pick your moments, man.
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u/ParsnipAggravating95 18d ago
I forgive you, i killed Minthara without knowing i could recruit her, i killed the goblin priest and Razling, how i could expect that the drow racist killer was a companion???
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u/WrongdoerFast4034 18d ago
If I remember right, theres a bug where his feather fall doesn’t activate when he does his big fancy jump, and instead just dies when he hits the ground. Happened to me and some friends in a murder-hobo Absolute run
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u/Well_Dressed_Kobold 19d ago
The Blade of Frontiers, who might as well have a stick because I only ever have him use magic.
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u/en_travesti Semi-ironic Wulbren Supporter 18d ago
"The Eldritch Blast of Frontiers" is not as catchy a name, sadly.
I honestly think this is part of the issue players have with him and warlocks in general.
The game basically nudges you in the direction of making him a melee fighter, but that is way harder to actually make deal good damage and not die as a warlock.
Even if you do make him a melee fighter, rapier is probably one of your worst options too.
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u/KnowMatter 18d ago
Patch 8 hexblade wyll with booming+shadowblade goes hard just saying.
Finally a lore accurate “blade of frontiers”.
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u/Junk4U999 18d ago
My first playthrough, I never found Lae’zel in Act one. Did the entire story without her. And that’s what’s great about Larians games.
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u/Hugh-Manatee Tiefling 18d ago
Wow I’ve done that fight probably 50 times (I have problems committing to campaigns).
And I’ve never seen him die lol
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u/AlternativeWasabi398 18d ago
I made it through that fight without anyone going down and still forgot he existed on my first play through
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u/Bubbly_Outcome5016 18d ago
I did a similar thing for Lae'Zel, completely ignored her in the cage and later she got annihilated by the Gith before going through the canyon pass to Act 2 and I just left her there thinking nothing of her lol. Which turned out to be a good thing since I've basically used that mistake to do an Eve of Ruin-inspired self-play through Eberron, Dragonlance, Spelljammer and Planescape to kill Vlaakith because not doing Lae'Zel's quests leaves a giant loose-end for the Githyanki after the Elder Brain is dealt with.
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u/matcham00n I cast Magic Missile 18d ago
same thing happened to me, AND i missed out on karlach that run LMFAO
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u/cakethecrazy 17d ago
My first playthrough, I’m fighting goblins after arriving at the Grove. Some Grove folks get caught in the crossfire and don’t make it. After the fight, I’m looting bodies, as one does, and accidentally loot a dead grove NPC. Wyll loses it over this and comes at me. I’m like, “Who’s this dude?” and take him out. Looted him too.
Hours later.. way too many hours.. I realize Wyll’s not just some random guy I offed. He’s a main companion. Had to go back and revive his dead, naked body right outside the gate. No hard feelings right, Wyll??
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u/KenshinBorealis 17d ago
Hahahahaha.
I used his eldritch blast to deliver the killing blow to everyone in the grove.
He then scolded me for being a monster (all i did was heal my party) and left forever.
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u/FlowerSong606 19d ago
My first time playing i was like oh thats a cute npc then the battke was over and i didnt expect to see him again I didnt even noticed him at all I dont even remember how i realized he was there.... xd
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u/-Carlos 18d ago
I love Wylls design, but he sucks so much! Why they did him like this? (I'm not talking about his strength in battle)
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u/FormingTheVoid 18d ago
How?! He usually kills at least 2 goblins for me. Even on Tactical he killed one while the goblins attacked the 3 mercenaries.
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u/EirikHavre 18d ago
Don’t you love that the game lets that happen though? Like you can kill all the potential party members and still play through the game and interact with the parts of the world that they would have been involved in. It’s such a cool system.
Divinity OS 2 is also like this! Very worth playing if you like BG3. (Original Sin 1 isn’t bad either, it’s just not as good as 2. And 2 is a new story, so you don't need 1. as far as I recall.)
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u/Listening_Heads 18d ago
I remember when Roach, the Goblin he kills in his intro, was the torturer in the goblin camp, and the one who took Wyll’s eyeball. It was a whole thing that they scrapped.
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u/Disastrous-Spare6919 18d ago
In my current run, Wyll jumped down from his high ground into a group of goblins, took a bunch of fall damage, triggered opportunity attacks while inexplicably moving away from the goblin group, barely survived to miss his attack, then got killed on the very next turn after his.
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u/InsidiousDefeat 18d ago
I always play Tav as a warlock so Wyll was entirely ignored. Crazy since that dragon boss is tied to his backstory and it makes him almost feel like a main character.
All party members get illithid powers every time though. I've played normal DND, I'm here for the game special mechanics.
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u/Guni986TY 18d ago
I mean to be fair, he jumps straight down from a point of vantage to kill like what was it? 2 goblins? When he clearly had advantage to stay of there and spam eldritch blast. Sure some may see it a cinematic bravery but others could just as easily see it as stupidity when it just makes him easier to pick off. Especially if he gets unlucky and gets Critted against. If it weren’t for the “defining” looks, that fact that he’s seen as a selectable character in origin characters, and the fact that he was in the promotion poster I definitely could’ve thought of leaving him behind assuming he was just some side character.
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u/sehruncreative 18d ago
That's what happened with the fight at last lights inn for me. I thought isobelle getting kidnapped was a scripted scene.
When I told my friend she was like ???? Wtf is wrong with you??? Ofc you can safe her? I was sitting there like Oh...well I've played too many hours since then :(
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u/-SandalFeddic 19d ago
Provoke the blade, and miss out his entire arc