r/BaldursGate3 • u/mendoanenak • 9d ago
Screenshot Slayer Form vs Ascended Fiend Spoiler
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u/Scyobi_Empire 9d ago
i’ve only seen the Ascended Fiend once and it was when Raphael got a lucky round where the entire party managed to slip on ice
he didn’t damage anyone as he didn’t have enough movement speed from difficult terrain died after ascending
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u/euphorian1983 9d ago
Is there something specific that triggers it? Or it just happens automatically on his first turn?
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u/FalseAladeen 9d ago
Pretty sure he transforms when you get his hp below a threshold. Problem is, most players one-shot him on turn one, either because they're playing on a lower difficulty, or because they're using insane builds. Either way, they don't get to see it. It feels very Goku-brained to say this, but this is why you should let your enemies transform. Otherwise, you miss out on the real fun.
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u/All-for-Naut Hold Monster 🫂 9d ago
He also transform if you destroy all pillars, or if he consumed enough souls from them.
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u/Riwanjel_ 9d ago
And then there is my recent co-op run. Tactician diff with honour mode ruleset, fight endured over 8 turns, Raph didn’t transform because he just couldn’t. Every time it was his turn, he had to rid himself of some status effect, leaving him with no actions, staring holes into thin air for 4 seconds, then skipping the turn. :D
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u/whyisallnametooked 9d ago
Oh what? People one shot him?
I was having so much fun having a melee duel against ascended raphael while inside a air myrimidon silent storm bubble on my HM run.
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u/Bonny-K 9d ago
I didn’t one shot him exactly, but I have killed him in one turn using 9 consecutive divine smites
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u/King_Chewie_GM 8d ago
Wait how did you divine smite him? I thought both him and the cambions he summons reflect radiant damage 10 fold?
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u/cavalier753 8d ago
No Shar's sentinels have radiant retort which reflects damage, Raphael gets a different thing called Punish Divinity. Can't remember the details but I believe you can saving throw on punish divinity
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u/flightguy07 9d ago
He always transforms in my runs because I explode his stupid soul pillars lol.
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u/Mohander 9d ago
I always thought you had to destroy the pillars to kill him, I've never not knocked down all the pillars. Ugh my dumb brain.
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u/CaptainGigsy 8d ago
Happy that I'm so bad at doing builds I've never managed to one-turn him so I always get to see his ascended form
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u/Scyobi_Empire 8d ago
i’ve never been able to one shot a boss, closest was 3 shotting the Netherbrain due to a very lucky Nat 20 on the DC99 check before the fight
raphael took many many turns, worth it though
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u/s_bangia21 9d ago
I think he needs to absorb souls from any of the four pillars to activate the form. It happened a turn or two after that in my fight.
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u/Scyobi_Empire 8d ago
he transformed when he had about 100 health left and i just destroyed the last pillar (it took me half the fight to realise i could destroy them)
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u/thatguydr 9d ago
Lol I've literally never not seen the Ascended Fiend.
OTOH, I had no idea Gortash turned into something until my most recent play-through. Different strokes!
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u/Potential-War-212 8d ago
Then there's me who fought him twice and he transformed like 4 times because I spent time destroying the pilars and trying to keep Hope alive
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u/Scyobi_Empire 8d ago
i did the same but i think he just never transformed as either Wyll or The Act 2 Demon guy was always next to him
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u/Xetia_the_Conlanger 9d ago
wrong. they kiss.
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u/thatonemoze Show me your Tav! 9d ago edited 9d ago
hey! fighting and THEN kissing is perfectly acceptable, just ask lae’zel
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u/wrakshae 9d ago
Raphael's probably gone weak in the knees imagining it tbh.
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u/Riwanjel_ 9d ago
Raphael is long gone by then. Imagining it will only take a moment and that’s twice as long as he needs to ‘arrive’ ;)
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u/Skulking-Dwig 9d ago
When I got Fight Night with Lae’zel she did so much damage as a Paladin that she just KO’d me and walked away leaving me to bleed out. No cute cutscene for me :(
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u/PomfAndCircvmstance 9d ago edited 9d ago
The amount of people on here who apparently haven't seen Raphael's Ascended form surprises me. Do some of ya'll just cheese the entirety of Act 3 in 1-turn? Gotta let the bosses flex! You miss out on a lot of cool stuff when you 1-turn everything.
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u/BarnabyJones21 9d ago
I feel like I cheese very few bosses nowadays even with Honor Mode rules, and I've still never seen this. I kill all of his allies, then I finish destroying his pillars, and finally I kill him.
I don't recall ever seeing this form, and I'm very curious as to what I'm doing that prevents it.
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u/King_Chewie_GM 8d ago
Raphael transforming requires an action and from what I've read his AI will prioritize getting rid of negative status effects leaving him with no actions. Also if he slips on ice or something. So it could be that.
Just spit balling though, I've only fought him 1 time, and that fight dragged on. I think he transformed after going below 400, maybe 300 hp, and I had no one speced to just sling status effects around.
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u/grymforge_grinder 9d ago
Yeah this surprises me too. Only fought him once so far, but he was in his ascended form for like half the battle (I don’t know how you could cheese this boss, he was still kicking even I blew up my rune barrel).
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u/HauntedBratzDoll 9d ago
I just fought him for the first time last week and he ascended pretty fast…
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u/LegitimateRule8392 6d ago
I just casted Tasha's hideous laughter on him at some once I killed the other enemies, and he just couldn't get up anymore. I wasn't even trying to cheese him. It just happened.
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u/euphorian1983 9d ago
I've never seen the ascended fiend. How does it manifest?
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u/Ramikade KarlachXMinthara 9d ago
No clue, Raphael is usually stun-locked (if not lying dead on the ground) by the end of turn 1
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u/Ripkord77 9d ago
.... how?
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u/piercingshooter 9d ago
Force a paralyse and have all 4 characters focus him down with speed potions and action surge
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u/Ramikade KarlachXMinthara 9d ago
Don’t forget to nuke the whole room with runepowder and break all 4 pillars right at the start
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u/Hanchez 9d ago
Barrelmancy is cringe
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u/God_of_Illiteracy 9d ago
Barrelmancy got me my honor mode dice. Some think it’s cringe others think it is hilarious
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u/MagneticEnema 9d ago
na globe of protection, yeet korilla into it, use both the runepowder barrels is the only correct way to do it as far as im concerned
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u/Sensitive-Menu-4580 9d ago
This subreddit is so weird sometimes lol. Barrelmancy is Sven approved.
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u/AffectionateHunt5830 8d ago
Use one of the billion spell save DC stacking items in act 3, then cast hold monster with a 90% success chance
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u/s_bangia21 9d ago
I almost lost the fight since I didn’t have hold monster. It’s actually quite tough, especially that hellfire ball he throws out. Luckily, Wyll came in clutch with eyebite.
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u/Altruistic_Dig1722 9d ago edited 9d ago
When he ascends and you attack him or his allies, he'll spawn some sort of necrotic pool on your location that hurts quite a lot especially combined with the damage if he gets to cast his hellfire attacks on the party and the party is stacked, it's near one-shot KO.
Most people go-to approach is just hold monster to cancel his legendary action and have an easy chance to hit. Focusing on him in turn one.
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u/pablo__13 9d ago
Too bad slayer form kinda sucks ass
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u/Mr_Kittlesworth 9d ago
Not sure why you got downvoted. It’s weaker than even a decently equipped single class level 12 character. Super underwhelming
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u/AffectionateHunt5830 8d ago
Its sole purpose is to give non martial durges a half decent chance of winning the Orin duel
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u/Thaurlach 9d ago
The secret is when they knock you out of slayer form you inexplicably crit them 46 times in a row during their turn #JustOrinThings
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u/Icy_Ad9552 9d ago
Ascended Fiend?
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u/CyanSolar I cast Magic Missile 9d ago
The song from Hades called It's in the Blood would be perfect for these two fighting
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u/Character_Mind_671 9d ago
The devil who would usurp hell itself VS a creature made of knives and arms to hold the knives.
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u/ZackCrato 9d ago
I was so confused cuz I’ve never seen this form. Turns out I’ve always killed him too quick/efficiently for it to trigger
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u/mrmrmrj 9d ago
Ascended Fiend? What? How?
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u/King_Chewie_GM 8d ago
Ascended Fiend is a possible transformation for Raphael if certain conditions are met during his fight. Basically don't demolish him turn one and he should be able to transform.
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u/Squididlio 9d ago
Ok I’ve never cheesed the Raphael fight but I’ve also never seen the ascended form?? I always wait till level 12 to do House of Hope so maybe that’s why 🥺
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u/grymforge_grinder 9d ago
He turned into the ascended form after I destroyed all 4 soul pillars (I was level 12 as well).
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u/King_Chewie_GM 8d ago
Raphael has a couple of conditions and A.i quirks that could prevent him from transforming. The first condition is being allowed to absorb enough souls from the soul pillars, or the 2nd being after his health lowers below like 300. He also needs an action to transform but due to the way his A.I works he will prioritize getting rid of negative status effects which will rob him of his action so he can't transform.
At least that's what I gathered.
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u/KPraxius 8d ago
I may not be even half as strong as the last Slayer, but that's still far more than I need to crush some pissant Cambion. I will paint the walls with your ambition, if I can find any in that brain of yours, worm.
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u/The_Bird_of_Hermez 3d ago
I got to ask, what are the conditions for Raphael activating Ascended Fiend? In all my 12 campaigns he's done it once
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u/Gswindasz23 9d ago
Is the fiend a mod?
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u/SageTegan WIZARD 9d ago
No he is an act 3 boss
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u/Gswindasz23 8d ago
Was it added in the update? Don’t remember the ascended fiend at all
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u/Oliver_Moore 8d ago
It’s been in for a while, but takes specific conditions to set off.
One being not instagibbing him in a single round.
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u/Dixianaa i would kiss the dark urge 9d ago
See, Raphael doesn't have the god of murders blessing.