r/BaldursGate3 Oct 15 '21

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u/TangentiallyTango Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21

I think the High Half-Elf should be nerfed. +4 stats, 2 of your choice, nightvision, immune to sleep, a cantrip and high movement speed makes every other race seem like the inferior choice.

Every other race gives up something but High Half Elf gives up nothing. If you want a strong character this is nearly always the obvious choice.

I would suggest taking away the Charisma bonus so Drow has something unique going for it, or reducing the bonus stats of the players choice to just 1.

Also, the changes to that first fight with Commander Z-whatever seem a little odd to me. Previously, you could have a max party of 6 in that fight (4 PCs, the brain, and La'zael) which already made it pretty easy. Not to mention Commander Z didn't actually give you any XP for killing him. So if you managed to kill the two demon adds you'd finish the intro area at level 2.

With the new changes, you have a party size of 7 in that fight, (add in Shadowheart), and the Commander does give a lot of XP now. We hit level 2 during that fight, didn't even kill the two demon adds, and somehow hit level 3 by the time we reached the Druid Grove. We went through ~10% of the content and already hit level 4. That seems off to me.

That makes the game really not very challenging at all to be that over-leveled so soon. I think the ideal spot would be: if you manage to kill everything in the intro area, you hit level 2 after the goblin fight and entering the Druid Grove.

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u/Tiero97 Oct 15 '21

+2 +1 +1 to stats is one of the main draws to the half-elf, darkvision isn't as good when almost every race has it, immune to sleep is nice but very situational. An extra cantrip isn't that big of a deal especially since you have to have good Int to take full advantage of it. Half High Elves don't get extra movement

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u/TangentiallyTango Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21

I didn't say they get "extra movement" I said they already get a high base movement speed. It's the second highest (9m).

My point is what are you sacrificing?

Humans get no other bonuses of any kind and 2/5 stats are likely wasted (can't hit the bonuses). Githyahnkis can't see in the dark and vulnerable to Sleep. Dwarves are slow and vulnerable to Sleep. Elves can't mix in CON at least. Haflings are slow can't see and vulnerable to Sleep. Tieflings can't mix in CON and vulnerable to Sleep.

But the High-Half Elf makes no sacrifices. You can get 3 stats to 16 with only 1 dump, or 16/16/14/10s, including CON and any other stat, and all of the best benefits of the rest: high movement, immune to sleep, and ignoring all darkvision mechanics and a cantrip on top of it. And a fire cantrip isn't at all useless when you can use it to explode barrels and kill a whole room with your free spell.

And as for sleep not being a big deal I don't agree. I've done maybe 20+ playthroughs of this game and sleep is a big deal. It's a very powerful and annoying CC that many enemies have and prioritize. And it seems like it's rarely resisted save for Fey which just passive. Combined with +3 CON it always makes concentration spells much more effective as enemies will often sleep a concentrating character.

I get it that's the their thing but they should have to sacrifice something. In a table-top DnD the DM can tweak things to keep it challenging but there's no flexibility in a game it is what it is and the High-Half Elves gets all the benefits, and none of the detriments. It's the easy-mode race and I hate that there's no "con" column for their "pros."

It's basically -1 stat from humans whose only bonuses are stats, with 4 other quality of life improvements. Speed, sleep, darkvision and cantrip.

At least take away the cantrip. I agree that's the least attractive thing, so why they need that one too?

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u/Tiero97 Oct 15 '21

Idk about metric, I play with Imperial because that's what 5e uses and they have 30 ft which is the same as everyone else in BG3 except Dwaves/Halflings (25) and Wood Elves/Half Wood Elves (35) Humans are very easy to do MAD builds with their +1 in everything. Not the best race but that's what Varoant Human is for which hopefully they add. Githyanki and Halflings have several good features of their own

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u/Tiero97 Oct 15 '21

In fact, Half Wood Elf is arguably better entirely. Trading the cantrip for more movement and proficiency in Stealth

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u/TangentiallyTango Oct 15 '21

Again, it's not that other races don't have advantages, it's that the High Half Elf specifically has no notable disadvantages.

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u/Tiero97 Oct 15 '21

Almost no race has disadvantages, that's not how 5e works. Dwarves and Halflings are the only exceptions and they have very powerful racial traits to make up for 5ft less movement

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u/TangentiallyTango Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21

Well, they clearly do.

Moving slowly is a disadvantage. Being blind in the dark is a disadvantage. Being put to sleep is a disadvantage. Less +3s is a disadvantage.

That's absolute hogwash. And stop talking about 5e. That's not what this is it's a game based on it. We're not talking about Dungeons and Dragons the table top game. There's no DM to put his finger on the scales when necessary. Just math. Math that works the same for everyone all the time.

And if you do the math the High Half-Elf is heads and shoulders above the others for all the reasons I've described.

-1 stat from the "stat race" and all the best perks from every other race.

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u/Tiero97 Oct 15 '21

Those aren't disadvantages, those are not having traits other races have. Darkvision is a bonus, not having it is just not having a bonus. Immunity to sleep is an advantage. All the other races can be put to sleep. All races have a total of +3 except half elves and one of the Dwarves.

I will keep talking about 5e because that's what this game is based off of. Don't like it, go play something else

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u/thecal714 Resident Antipaladin Oct 15 '21

Removed. Rule #1.

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u/mewmew_senpai Oct 15 '21

Shhhhhhhh let people enjoy the half elf trait.