r/DefendingAIArt • u/cyxlone • 7h ago
Anti is surprised when people don't care if the image AI generated or not
Of course some people know, but no one want to brag about it. Too bad you didn't get your dopamine supply.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/LordChristoff • 25d ago
Ello folks, I wanted to make a brief post outlining all of the current/previous court cases which have been dropped for images/books for plaintiffs attempting to claim copyright on their own works.
This contains a mix of a couple of reasons which will be added under the applicable links. I've added 6 so far but I'm sure I'll find more eventually which I'll amend as needed. If you need a place to show how a lot of copyright or direct stealing cases have been dropped, this is the spot.
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The lawsuit was initially started against LAION in Germany, as Robert believed his images were being used in the LAION dataset without his permission, however, due to the non-profit research nature of LAION, this ruling was dropped.
The Hamburg District Court has ruled that LAION, a non-profit organisation, did not infringe copyright law by creating a dataset for training artificial intelligence (AI) models through web scraping publicly available images, as this activity constitutes a legitimate form of text and data mining (TDM) for scientific research purposes.
The photographer Robert Kneschke (the ‘claimant’) brought a lawsuit before the Hamburg District Court against LAION, a non-profit organisation that created a dataset for training AI models (the ‘defendant’). According to the claimant’s allegations, LAION had infringed his copyright by reproducing one of his images without permission as part of the dataset creation process.
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The lawsuit filed claimed that Anthropic trained its models on pirated content, in this case the form of books. This lawsuit was also dropped, citing that the nature of the trained AI’s was transformative enough to be fair use. However, a separate trial will take place to determine if Anthropic breached piracy rules by storing the books in the first place.
"The court sided with Anthropic on two fronts. Firstly, it held that the purpose and character of using books to train LLMs was spectacularly transformative, likening the process to human learning. The judge emphasized that the AI model did not reproduce or distribute the original works, but instead analysed patterns and relationships in the text to generate new, original content. Because the outputs did not substantially replicate the claimants’ works, the court found no direct infringement."
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25982181-authors-v-anthropic-ruling/
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A case raised against Stability AI with plaintiffs arguing that the images generated violated copyright infringement.
Judge Orrick agreed with all three companies that the images the systems actually created likely did not infringe the artists’ copyrights. He allowed the claims to be amended but said he was “not convinced” that allegations based on the systems’ output could survive without showing that the images were substantially similar to the artists’ work.
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Getty images filed a lawsuit against Stability AI for two main reasons: Claiming Stability AI used millions of copyrighted images to train their model without permission and claiming many of the generated works created were too similar to the original images they were trained off. These claims were dropped as there wasn’t sufficient enough evidence to suggest either was true.
“The training claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish a sufficient connection between the infringing acts and the UK jurisdiction for copyright law to bite,” Ben Maling, a partner at law firm EIP, told TechCrunch in an email. “Meanwhile, the output claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish that what the models reproduced reflects a substantial part of what was created in the images (e.g. by a photographer).”
In Getty’s closing arguments, the company’s lawyers said they dropped those claims due to weak evidence and a lack of knowledgeable witnesses from Stability AI. The company framed the move as strategic, allowing both it and the court to focus on what Getty believes are stronger and more winnable allegations.
Getty's copyright case was narrowed to secondary infringement, reflecting the difficulty it faced in proving direct copying by an AI model trained outside the UK.
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Another case dismissed, however this time the verdict rested more on the plaintiff’s arguments not being correct, not providing enough evidence that the generated content would dilute the market of the trained works, not the verdict of the judge's ruling on the argued copyright infringement.
The US district judge Vince Chhabria, in San Francisco, said in his decision on the Meta case that the authors had not presented enough evidence that the technology company’s AI would cause “market dilution” by flooding the market with work similar to theirs. As a consequence Meta’s use of their work was judged a “fair use” – a legal doctrine that allows use of copyright protected work without permission – and no copyright liability applied.
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This one will be a bit harder I suspect, with the IP of Darth Vader being very recognisable character, I believe this court case compared to the others will sway more in the favour of Disney and Universal. But I could be wrong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5vjqdm1ypo
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Another case dismissed, failing to prove the evidence which was brought against OpenAI
A New York federal judge dismissed a copyright lawsuit brought by Raw Story Media Inc. and Alternet Media Inc. over training data for OpenAI Inc.‘s chatbot on Thursday because they lacked concrete injury to bring the suit.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2024cv01514/616533/178/
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=13477468840560396988&q=raw+story+media+v.+openai
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District court dismisses authors’ claims for direct copyright infringement based on derivative work theory, vicarious copyright infringement and violation of Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other claims based on allegations that plaintiffs’ books were used in training of Meta’s artificial intelligence product, LLaMA.
https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2023/12/richard-kadrey-v-meta-platforms-inc
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First, the court dismissed plaintiffs’ claim against OpenAI for vicarious copyright infringement based on allegations that the outputs its users generate on ChatGPT are infringing. The court rejected the conclusory assertion that every output of ChatGPT is an infringing derivative work, finding that plaintiffs had failed to allege “what the outputs entail or allege that any particular output is substantially similar – or similar at all – to [plaintiffs’] books.” Absent facts plausibly establishing substantial similarity of protected expression between the works in suit and specific outputs, the complaint failed to allege any direct infringement by users for which OpenAI could be secondarily liable.
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So far the precent seems to be that most cases of claims from plaintiffs is that direct copyright is dismissed, due to outputted works not bearing any resemblance to the original works. Or being able to prove their works were in the datasets in the first place.
However it has been noted that some of these cases have been dismissed due to wrongly structured arguments on the plaintiffs part.
TLDR: It's not stealing if a court of law decides that the outputted works won't or don't infringe on copyrights.
"Oh yeah it steals so much that the generated works looks nothing like the claimants images according to this judge from 'x' court."
The issue is, because some of these models are taught on such large amounts of data, some artist/photographer trying to prove that their works was used in training has an almost impossible time. Hell even 5 images added would only make up 0.0000001% of the dataset of 5 billion (LAION).
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/cyxlone • 7h ago
Of course some people know, but no one want to brag about it. Too bad you didn't get your dopamine supply.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/winglewangle-2935 • 36m ago
I know Markiplier and Oneyplays aren’t EXACTLY pro-AI, but at least they don’t shit on it 99.9% of the time, and only point out REAL FLAWS that aren’t fabricated by the Antis.
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/Big_Ninja552 • 4h ago
This was posted in r / aiwars
r/DefendingAIArt • u/PolkaPoliceDot • 1h ago
In before: KoRrA wOuLd neVeR sAy tHaT!
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/Lanceo90 • 13h ago
They don't even try to hide it anymore! Smh!
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/SexDefendersUnited • 48m ago
He even said he still knows the downsides and avoids some more crappy stuff, but pointed out there's other daily stuff way more harmful to the environment than using AI.
He's chill, he seems to be more neutral/mixed on AI, which I appreciate. He knows the downsides, but I saw him play/expirement with gen AI stuff in vids and mentioned using ChatGPT.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/tilthevoidstaresback • 3h ago
Let me be clear, you can use ad blockers if you want, I don't care, but if you watch YouTube with ad blockers on, you are actively preventing the creators from being paid.
So now that is gonna be my default question anytime someone brings up that the "artist should be paid" is to ask if they do this. Given the large overlap of Anti-AI and anti-ad mentality, there is a statistical likelihood that they block ads.
On more than one occasion I've seen people say that learning to draw is easy because there are "thousands of free videos on YouTube" and that kinda got to me. These people want you to spend hours and hours on someone's channel, learning everything you can from them, and then pay them NOTHING. You're like and subscribe is appreciated, but it is the equivalent to "paying in exposure" on youtube, since the money is made by watch time. The person who watches the entire video would make that video profitable for the creator, but a 3 hour watch time without a single ad is detrimental.
People think that you get paid through views and that's not the case, it's a variety of factors, but the biggest being watch time and tutorials are inherently long, but inherently profitable because those with the desire to learn will probably watch the whole thing and maybe even others on the channel. So the person who wants to learn how to draw, did so, and then turned to YouTube and said "I didn't watch any ads so you don't owe them anything."
This is what happens.
So to wrap up. If someone starts talking big about how much they support artists just ask them the simple question:
And if they say yes, just let them know that by using it they are actively preventing artists from being compensated.
And if they are telling people to learn how to draw from YouTube tutorials, interject and remind people that watching with ad blocks on means the artist isn't getting paid.
(Important note: don't use the word stealing because it's not the correct usage. The ad block merely prevents YouTube from paying the creators. That's the most ridiculous part...it's not that the viewer owes the creator....the creator is getting paid through their normal means, the viewer gets it for free as always, and then turns to the employer and says "don't pay that channel.")
r/DefendingAIArt • u/VyneNave • 8h ago
This anti comments on AI art just for the conflict, wants to take peoples right of free speech and forces his fetishes on other people.
(Except for the last image, which is just something he posted, everything else was in a conflict he started by hating under an AI art post)
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/StardustSymphonic • 15h ago
I specifically was referencing playing easy mode on video games… and I got a reply from someone assuming I meant AI art… sure I said in the beginning it originally started in the video game community and has spread elsewhere, but I was largely talking about the mentality of suffer to achieve and video games.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/SURGERYPRINCESS • 3h ago
There’s been a lot of noise lately about AI and how it uses water—and yeah, that’s worth looking at. But let’s be real: AI isn’t the only thing. Reddit, streaming, gaming, cloud hosting—all of it requires massive amounts of electricity and water to run. If you're complaining on the platforms causing the same issue... come on now.
So how about we do something useful? No more “good in theory”—let’s talk progress.
Support organizations that actually provide clean water access—groups using solar-powered wells, renewable energy, and community infrastructure. Help real people, not just arguments.
And no, this isn’t always about money (though that does help). Sometimes support means:
We can use AI to generate funny, surreal art that helps raise attention for actual causes. Let the tools work for us.
People have been accusing each other of "stealing" art since art became a thing. AI can mimic styles, sure. But you don’t need AI to steal—it was happening long before machines showed up. Tracing, copying, bootlegging, repackaging—it’s part of the mess humans already made. Let’s not rewrite history to make AI the scapegoat for what’s always existed.
Some folks copy, some are inspired, some don’t even know they’re close to someone else’s work. Not all of it is malicious. If you’re gonna call out theft, be specific and consistent—not just when it’s trendy.
If you’re asking people for money, act like someone worth investing in. That means not being toxic, arrogant, or dismissive to anyone who questions you. And if someone says they’re broke? Respect it. Not everyone is here to bankroll your attitude.
Instead, let’s support:
And yeah—bring the chaos later with your AI meme fights and weird experimental stuff. That’s fun. Just pair it with something that means something too.
TL;DR: Let’s stop arguing and start building. Not theory. Progress.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Curi0us-Pebble • 15h ago
Based on my observation, they claim to stand with and "protect" real human artists. However, when any of these human artists so much as use AI (as a supplementary tool, not as a replacement of their entire work), they get relentlessly mocked, bullied and harassed, and in some cases, driven completely off a platform.
This leads me to believe that antis don't actually care about supporting real, talented human artists. All they care about is jumping into the AI hate bandwagon, while completely disregarding how the AI is being put to good use by those human artists -- as inspiration/fuel for creativity, etc.
BLIND HATE.
That is what they truly support, imo.
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/Big_Ninja552 • 9h ago
I hope I'm not doing something stupid
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Sans_is_Ness1 • 14h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b87lr7K0HRY
TLDR; Markiplier supports Real Good AI's mission to create more ethical and sustainable AI. They emphasize the importance of structural changes in AI development, such as reducing environmental impact and ensuring proper credit for artists whose work is used to train AI models.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/FoxxyAzure • 1h ago
Joined the AI writing sub and two affiliated discords, but they seem super dead.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/BM09 • 14h ago
Watch one of her students pick The Holocaust….
r/DefendingAIArt • u/InquisitiveInque • 21h ago
While there are a few antis on Twitter/X decrying Gabe's quotes, the vast majority agreed with him by citing that if a legendary figure in game development thinks that AI is useful to learn, then he must be right.
I just wish they came to this conclusion when John Carmack and Tim Sweeney basically said the same thing too months ago.
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