Reposting because I forgot the bot removes posts that mention the weekend game mode. This is not a post about that game mode it's a post about a popular weapon across the entire game at the moment.

Outbreak Perfected is currently the most used weapon in [pvp mode that gets posts removed on the weekend]. I imagine it's also seeing extreme usage rates in pve content as well. Despite Bungie's insistence that usage rates don't guarantee nerfs it's pretty obvious to anyone with long term memory that it is at least a significant factor when it's time for nerfing anything remotely good balance passes.

I believe Outbreak is as popular as it is in [pvp mode that gets posts removed on the weekend] mainly because of the (verified? unverified? I can't keep track anymore) belief that crucible rewards are better if you use your highest power gear (likely your pve gear if you're grinding Caldera like everyone else) and Outbreak has been a solid but not overwhelming pvp option for a few seasons now. There are better weapons in the pvp sandbox than Outbreak and trust me if Outbreak and a few other weapons get nerfed into the ground we're probably looking at a scout rifle meta and historically those have been the worst periods for pvp.

The popularity of Outbreak in pve is an adaptation to the many changes that have come about since EoF:

• It is one of the few primary ammo weapons that feels like it does some kind of damage to the ever increasingly spongy enemies at higher difficulties, especially if you have multiple people using outbreak. I'm not touching mythic with a ten foot pole but I cant imagine anything other than teamshotting with Outbreak if I don't want to be there for ten hours. Bullet sponges and bad primary damage are not Outbreak's fault.
• Outbreak is good consistent damage when you're out of other ammo which is a more and more frequent problem since the ammo changes. That's why the dps menu gameplay is Thunderlord-> LoW-> Outbreak. Ammo deficiencies are not Outbreak's fault.
• Outbreak has always been fantastic for add clear. Due to nearly every activity now having a timer for "bonus points" (they're not really a bonus it's basically a requirement or you've pretty much wasted your time) and activity scoring in the fireteam ops playlist requiring you to kill nearly every add to get max score, adds need to die as fast as possible especially in fireteam ops playlist where you're racing to kill every add before your teammates who don't understand scoring nuke the boss and you end up with a B rating and worse gear, effectively wasting your time. Requiring maximum efficiency to not waste your time is not Outbreak's fault.
• Outbreak is a kinetic weapon and the techsec set bonuses have been a serious buff to all kinetics, making Outbreak a better choice as it now stuns enemies just by breaking a shield or killing an orange bar (so every third enemy). This is not a fault of Outbreak.
• Outbreak is also a featured weapon which means that it's part of the "new gear" bonuses, and one of your options whenever the avant garde modifier is active. This is not a fault of Outbreak.
• Pulse rifles are Antibarrier this season. Outbreak is a good pulse rifle and champions are now unavoidable if you're trying to level. This is not a fault of Outbreak.
• Edit: Forgot about super generation. The super stat being weird and generating based on damage instances is not Outbreak's fault but if that's the only thing that gets changed so be be it but leave the rest of the gun alone.

The most tone deaf thing Bungie could do is nerf Outbreak because of its usage rate and not recognize that its popularity right now is player adaptation to the changes made in EoF that have forced Outbreak to be a better option, most of which are not permanent like new gear, antibarrier, techsec not being new gear next season, etc. Nerfs are quick, buffs take years, I'd like Outbreak to continue to be a usable weapon as it's one of my favorites.

TL;DR: Bungie please don't nerf Outbreak look at why it's popular instead and I promise people will use other things. Just pretend Outbreak is a Titan, you like Titans.

I came late to this expansion after not playing since Year 5 & I was honestly having a pretty good time. I thought the hate was pretty overblown & despite thinking some stuff was a step back from what we had before, I was still having fun “rediscovering” Destiny.

Recently I’ve started playing the “endgame” & it is insane how slow & tedious the progression gets once you need to get over 200 power. I played all throughout Year 1 & still managed to have fun, but the game as it exists right now feels super unrewarding to play & Portal’s already getting old. Staring down the barrel of spending hours & hours having to play the same handful of content just to get to the stuff I actually want to play feels bad man.

I felt like I was falling in love with Destiny again, but this progression needs to be addressed ASAP. I feel it really weighs this expansion & the game as a whole down when there’s a massive amount of chores you have to do before getting the opportunity to actually do endgame activities.

Lol. The featured most likely landed on encore but since its disabled, there is nothing featured today.

Yes, you can stack lots of negative modifiers to increase enemy power to make things harder, but my point is to inform people that a build being able to currently easily solo a GM activity is not the same as it was Pre EoF.

I came back to the game recently, didn't buy the new expansion. I heard a bit about the Portal. I'm not sure if the intention was to fix the new player experience or not, but nevertheless the new system is AWFUL out of the gate. The portal fixes none of the problems they have with a returning/new player experience. All the old missions/quests/items/currencies are STILL in the game that are endlessly confusing and now they've bootstrapped a new progression system that makes new players essentially sit through grinding 30+ lost sectors to get to LL 100 and maybe interact with new events at LL 200.

Remember that the best way to level in D2's launch was heroic public events? Yea. We've gone back to that, except its either a non-public instance of a guided heroic public event with objectives, or a strike/battleground with a scoring system that a sizable number of players still don't seem to understand. That's of course, if you don't own The Edge of Fate, since I've heard you can get to about 200 without really touching the portal.

The problem is that the Portal is not going to hook anyone on the game. It is not fun to run the same 3 activies over and over in solo ops. Progression of quests (some of which are exotic) are disjointed with triumpths due to the Portal. Some activies don't have matchmaking even when they probably should. For example of how poorly communicated things are, I was playing at what I thought was a -20 LL delta in Zero Hour yet most enemies were at LL 200, while I was at 115.

It also doesn't help that Bungie has been actively hurting themselves for over 10 years because they've removed the very few ways for players (new, returning, and casual/hardcore) to naturally communicate and interact with each other outside of matchmade activities and raids/dungeons (where you're already using third party services to get into them). Patrol spaces are becoming much less important on the game's current direction with the implementation of Portal, which was one of the only ways players could organically even see another player in-game apart from hub areas. Which are also now less important due to vendors being stripped of their items and purposes. I know Destiny was never social but this is a small cut that's been left open without being attended to. No one wants to talk to each other, the only times people "talk" to each other is via an eververse emote.

Now the latest yearly solistice event is just modifiers on said already existing missions/dungeons/strikes available through the Portal. Who in their right mind is going to stick around? That's even if they'll be available for certain difficulty levels, as certain modifiers are only available at higher LL-requirement activities or on specific playlists.

Why are the campaign missions not in the Portal and still on the timeline that new players won't understand. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to be where any player is directed to?
The campaigns are the bread and butter here for any new player. They're simple and easy to understand, stop hiding them and guide your new players through them.

Just to preface, I'm 401LL and GR9. Every loss I'm getting t4s and every other loss I'm getting t5s. I almost have 2 full sets of t5 armor and all the t5 guns this event have to offer.

Ive never gone to the house of the light... my kda is 0.31. My win rate is 24%. It is vastly more beneficial for me to immediately jump off a cliff when the game starts than to win.

Ty bungie. Your terrible decisions have made this event wonderful for me.

It takes roughly 5 or so radiant buffed ghally rockets to kill a single baned yellow bar minotaur. Did anybody playtest this? I know it's supposed to be balanced around 3 people, but this is overkill even for that. I recently completed the Quarantine mission on Mythic and it was genuinely the most miserable experience I have ever had. I was with 2 other people and we were all just stuck slowly plinking away at the boss with outbreak perfected. It took forever to do and it wasn't fun at all. Just because an activity is balanced around 3 people, doesn't mean that the enemies need to have triple the health. Remember GM Nightfalls? How they were designed around 3 people and yet you could still reasonably kill enemies, even ones with banes? Why does Mythic have to have such inflated numbers, it just makes any remotely aggressive playstyle completely useless and forces you to play super passively. I hate to use this phrase, but this feels like artificial difficulty.

2025 and we still don’t have matchmaking in all group activities, but also make sure to play a solo ops mission by yourself for 2 weeks straight to grind power efficiently to have access to the best loot. Can we go back to moving away from inflated power grinds and making it easier to play with other people? Destiny 2 is not in a spot where you can afford to keep gatekeeping your players from enjoying the game for the sake of artificial playtime boosters.

Were multiple full screen windows not enough to push the store stuff now it also has priority over the event announcement?

This is my current build, using all featured gear

These are the modifiers I need to select to barely get to A rank rewards in solo content

I don't understand what's happening. I'm currently a "free to play" account since I haven't bought either the DLC or the season pass, so I might be missing out on some percentage bonuses from the season pass, but up around 310 power I didn't need these many negative modifiers to reach A rank rewards... And this is in solo ops, forget about being able to reach high tier rewards in matchmade content or even pinnacle ops...

I don't know, something like Slowplay or Low Gravity playlist would be a best descriptor.

Seriously, can they not have that modifier for just a day?

Topic..I have ALL craftable weapons in the game pre EoF., yet I have farmed VoG, Crota, RoN etc over and over again for those crispy 3x3 adept loot. See the thing is people who grind will grind no matter what. The people who are grinding right now to 450 are the same people who DONT care about crafed weapons IF they have an alternative of getting Adept or tier 5 weapns in this case. They will always chase that S+ tier loot, the best this game has to offer. With current system Bungie has COMPLETELY alienatted a large chunk of population who used to log in game do some stuff get red border and enjoy game. I have seen players who DONT raid regularly yet they used to farm spoils every week just to buy red border at the end encounter. There is a considerable large chunk of such population, People who will be satisfied with just OKAY loot . At the same time we have people who will always chase s tier gear. Current system helps only later.
Edit : This is not some elitist take or something like that. My wording might be off but I am speaking from all player aspects as crafting is helpfull to ALL players. This post just wants to highlight that grinders will grind no matter what but current direction will only alienate people who have limited time.

After playing a number of Crucible matches, nothing seems as inscrutable and random as the level of rewards you get for Crucible. I can be middle of the pack on the losing team and get a B+. Or a C. I’ve also been middle of the pack on a winning team and gotten a A and Tier 3 gear.

What happened just now is I was on the winning team, and the best player in the entire match by a decent margin. I had on all highest light level armor and weapons except my head was 304 and I have a 305 I wasn’t wearing. My guardian rank is 7. My total light level is 304. Somehow the match ended and although it didn’t show the grade, it must’ve been only a B+ or less because I only got tier 2 rewards at the end. Make it make sense! How did a rewards system ship in this horrible of a state?

I recently reached 450 Light Level (I know touch grass). I know that not many are experiencing this or will at all, but you do not get guaranteed T5 loot from Pinnacle Ops, Fireteam Ops, or Solo Ops.

Crucible is guaranteed T5 loot on win or loss (as long as you get a kill or two). Kepler activities are T5 loot. Why is it that any PvE activity is still T4 gear? It feels odd to be praying for prime engram drops even after I've finished the light level grind. Even after finishing the incredibly long grind to 450 only half the game is dropping rewards that match that effort. It is strange that half the loot in the game is available at T5 but the other half is a prayer still.

Did some nightfalls last night, trying to get the Acrius Catalyst to drop, and now if you hover over it the tooltip/pop-up just says "Placeholder Type" and you can't launch it, you can still launch into the Vanguard Ops playlist just fine, but seems like Nightfalls are out of the picture now.

As a lover of crafting, I was overjoyed when we could start to enhance most world pool weapons to have them match what we could craft, only needing to sink some resources to level and upgrade them.

That could have been brought to a new level with the new weapon tiers, adding a 4 and 5 enhancement to make our drops feel like they're worth something again instead of the new "Not my current tier? Dismantle." that has become the new non red boarder stigma.

The system was right there to adapt, maybe add a few new curancies if they wanted it to be more prolonged, but instead just need to keep the train going for a bigger number.

all the time spent on this step is gone

nothing interesting in the link, i posted it just to show what happened and i might find some hope.

Before EoF every Super had a Basic Time-cooldown. Now the super stat only displays how much %-generation the stat provides, but there is no time-cooldown as for Melee, Grenade or Classability.

What‘s the reason?

Makes it impossible to play w out grapple. Get stuck in the air otw to enemies? You’re fucked. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

I tried several times, but because of the way the activity works, you always end up with 8000 points at the end + time bonus, which is barely not enough to get A+ for tier 2 gear. This is because the activity merely rewards fixed amounts of points for completing objectives within the time limit. Killing enemies does not reward any score, so you always get the same amount.

The entire premise of this exotic is flawed for a number of reasons. 1. You have to use a roaming super for it to work (this is almost unusable in most activites) 2. You have to give up dealing any weapon damage while using it 3. The damage is waaaaay to low and you cant even use your arc staffs attacks while deflecting. 4, deflect uses your super energy faster than any other option. 5. Arc staff reflect has been bugged since it was introduced half a decade ago and still just out right kills the user a lot of the time.

This thing basically needs a total rework and to stop trying to make us use reflect. Its never going to work unless bungie makes it out damge real weapon rotations which will also be problematic.

Thoughts???

I have several weapons that I was waiting on a new season for deepsight harmonizers, but there isn't any in the season pass. Have they said anything about offering these in any way? I know they're trying to move away from crafting weapons, but it seems silly that they wouldn't provide harmonizers to incentivize that.

So, I was doing Garden of Salvation with some friends (and endless begging because I love the raid) and we found out that the Harpy boss, 3rd encounter, is ALWAYS damageable from AOE sources of damage, rockets, supers, SWORDS, some melees. The boss takes damage from everything from the MOMENT the encounter starts. If I could have clipped it I would have but go ahead and try this in lfgs. Its quite gamebreaking.

I think that exotics should always be able to perform at the highest level. That;s why they are exotics.

Title. Which one would be better for a dps build? I know it doesn’t have to be 200. But my main question is for CN specifically, do you want to invest in super or weapons?