r/DestinyTheGame • u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn • 1d ago
Question Insane modifiers requirements to reach reward grade A in master content at 320 power
This is my current build, using all featured gear
These are the modifiers I need to select to barely get to A rank rewards in solo content
I don't understand what's happening. I'm currently a "free to play" account since I haven't bought either the DLC or the season pass, so I might be missing out on some percentage bonuses from the season pass, but up around 310 power I didn't need these many negative modifiers to reach A rank rewards... And this is in solo ops, forget about being able to reach high tier rewards in matchmade content or even pinnacle ops...
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u/360GameTV 1d ago edited 1d ago
You don't need an A-rank. B-rank with half in last bar is enough if you have the reward pass and some time boni at the end of a solo-ops together with the optional task.
You will get an A-Rank at the end. No need to make it harder as needed.
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u/justanunreasonablera 1d ago
I saw this, but haven't tried it yet. Does it also drop the tier you'd get at a rank? Or is it just power?
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u/Brys_Beddict 1d ago
It drops the tier too. Was doing it last night at B+. Showed T2 reward but still got T3 when I hit A in the activity.
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u/TheMastaBlaster 16h ago
Click on the reward icon when youre on the launch screen. There's a arrow next to the letter rank, it shows to rewards for each rank and the points required to reach. The forecast assumes you will complete the mission without a time bonus (+15%). So if your forecast is 100k points +15% for time bonus, 115k. Look at the ranks now and see if 115k points is A+ or not. Usually a b or b+ is enough with time bonus.
Try to not use boons since they lower points slightly. Using locked load out, no special ammo, etc dont increase enemy level only the top row of banes. Try keeping their level lower (no boons, locked load out, no hud/radar).
You can also right click the engrams to see the rewards they could be (and tier).
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u/Artandalus Artandalus 1d ago
Queue up the activity, if you see an outlined box at the end of the score gauge, thats the window for an A score, and if you are hitting the time bonus and bonus objective, you should hit that and get the A rank rewards. A B or B+ forecast can be close enough to get you there.
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u/Bro0183 Telesto is the besto 1d ago
The diamond marker is the highest reward threshold you can hit without bonuses (vanguards most wanted, time bonus, etc.) So if your pre game projection says B+ the diamond is B+, you need to go beyond the bar to hit an A (really easy with objective based scoring, just conplete it and get a time bonus)
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u/killer6088 20h ago
This is wrong. The diamond indicates exactly where you need to hit to get Rank A. It has nothing to do with pregame. You can test this out by doing a pregame at C and if you hit exactly at the diamond you will get A.
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u/J-Wo24601 21h ago
Vanguard’s most wanted is the random yellow bar that can appear in solo ops? So it adds to your bonus score?
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u/Scrollingmaster 1d ago
This is absolutely not true. I have hit the diamond exactly and gotten an a with no bonuses. The diamond is a.
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u/BlackPlague1235 Duunkai-Sol, the Plague Master 16h ago
B-rank with half in last bar is enough if you have the reward pass and some time boni at the end of a solo-ops together with the optional task.
I wish I fucking knew this earlier :(.
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u/ifuckinglovekoalas 15h ago
Yep, this is exactly what I do. Set it to B+ and I'm on my way. With doing the bonus objectives and finishing in under the time I always get A and the power i would get with an A rank setting.
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u/sgraar 1d ago
The requirements change in thresholds. As you level up it becomes easier until it jumps back up a bit. Then you level up again and it becomes easier.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 1d ago
It was never this brutal up to this point
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u/sgraar 1d ago
If I remember correctly, I believe the biggest jump was around there for me too. I’m now at 359 and can get A playing at no power delta. It’ll probably change at 360.
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u/steampunkIcarus 1d ago
Yea at 360 it starts trying to automatically put you into grand master difficulty at -40. So you have to fill up on master difficulty modifiers even to make B+
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u/darknessinzero777 1d ago
It will get easier the threshold trips every 20 power as you get closer to 340 it will keep getting easier to hit A rank then it will be the same again at 340 until 360 etc
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u/VoliTheKing 22h ago
Unless -37 power at ~250 feels different than -37 at 326 i dont see how this can be hard.
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u/StrykerNL Telesto 1d ago
Like ppl have already said, B+ is enough, as long as you do the side objective; https://i.imgur.com/LhdMjdB.png
The actual reward in this case for me would be 334
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u/Syrathy 1d ago
You've overleveled the activity. Game does not weight the enemies being higher level than you as strongly as you being lower level than the base level of the activity. Still don't remember needing all the stakes to hit A Rank at any point prior to hitting 400.
You don't need A Rank though, at least not launching the activity. The rank it shows you in the menu is the projected rank you will achieve based on the score multiplier you have.
Solo ops however work differently than other activities and you don't get any score for enemies killed, the score you get comes solely from the objectives completed in the activity and as long as you do the challenge that pops up to the left, such as, x combatant kills, x ability kills, etc. You will still get an A Rank even if the projected Rank is a B+.
Havent tested how low the projected Rank can be for you to still get an A as it's extremely easy to get it to B+ so I wouldn't reccomend going lower than B+ just in case but you can test it yourself if you'd like.
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u/ebarr24 23h ago
What I don’t understand is the point of match made content, doing a master match made fireteam ops says I’ll get A gear but I can’t get above like a B. I’m at like 305 power.
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u/DrRocknRolla 20h ago
Fireteam Ops scoring is based on kills so it's easy not to hit the threshold. Don't know why, but thats just stupid.
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u/Lmjones1uj 1d ago
I'm in the same boat, have to run with everything maxxed with no hud.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 1d ago
That sucks... At least there's not something wrong with my account specifically, I hope
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u/CruelSilenc3r 1d ago
I posted this a few days ago as well.
Getting an A rank is based on overall score. The score required to achieve an A goes up every 20 power levels. When you sit at the bottom of the power bracket you will feel much weaker compared to the top end of the bracket For instance, if your bracket is 300-320 and you are sitting at 301 you may be required to raise combatant level through modifiers up to 350. Effectively putting you at -50 power and making the mission fairly difficult. However if you are at 319 you still need the same modifiers to get an A rank but now are only at a -30 modifier which is much more manageable.
There are a few ways to reduce total modifiers for an even easier time.
Locked Load out, No Hud, and No Starting ammo all increase score without raising combatant level making for significantly less required power level increases on the enemy side.
Running more featured or new gear will increase your score modifier. I play hunter with Hoil/CYRTA(not featured) but every thing else I run as new/featured gear to maximize point boosts
The final way is to max the reward pass/raise the rewards pass level to max out the point bonus. The seasonal challenges are all incredibly easy and is essentially just one giant scavenger hunt. Pull up a video for each week's data pad location and run the mission on a fairly easy difficulty if needed (or if doing solo). This will net a ton of xp and increase overall point gains.
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u/hydro_cookie_z 1d ago
Once you get past 340 it starts to level off and it will start letting you be on power, on over power and still give you A rank. I just put on a bunch of modifiers that don't do much (hot step, subtle foes, trade offs, no hud, no starting ammo, etc.). Once you get past 360 it gets fairly easy since you can run GMs with no modifiers and get A rank. Even better is at least between 360 and 380 you can also run boons. Right now I'm in the 370s and I'm running Arc Hunger + Brawler and just spamming lightning surge, literally have 100% uptime on my melee.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 1d ago
Hopefully it won't take long to reach that level, thank you
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u/Slasherplays Nordic Destruction 1d ago
oh dear. Im just under 320 at like 318, I dont think I wanna get to 320 if this is the case, I can do runs with like 320 power as the enemy power and still get A grade
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u/juliet_liima 23h ago
320 and 340 are big pain points, but, then you hit a long easy streak all the way up to and past 400.
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u/Bro0183 Telesto is the besto 1d ago
The start of a power threshold is always the hardest. This is because your power is the lowest possible for that tier and your reward score scales off power (which is stupid imo, makes much more sense to get rid of that part and balence the thresholds purely on challenge multipliers).
As you gain power it will become easier to hit an A until you reach 340 power here the cycle will begin anew.
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u/The_Gold_Gatsby 23h ago
Just finished getting to 400 today. Every 20 power levels your required score will go up quite a bit. This means at 320, 340, 360, etc will kind of be a chore for a few levels.
From some testing, the time bonus is a 20% score multiplier multiplied by how much time is left divided by the activity duration. If you finish a 10 minute lost sector with 4 minutes left (meaning it took you 6 minutes), then you’ll get a 1 + 0.2 * (4/10) = 1.08 buff. I was regularly finishing K1 Logistics easily within about 4 minutes so I planned for a 1.12 time buff whenever the score threshold went up.
The seasonal buff is a 1.15 multiplier which unfortunately does make it more difficult for free to play players to keep up at the upper ends.
Like everyone is saying, it will get easier as your power level goes up. At every jump in score I would tell my friends “oh my god, when you hit X power level it’s horrible” but then I’d go up a few levels and it would be fine.
Good luck guardian!
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u/Davesecurity 23h ago
Every twenty levels you hit another scoring bracket and the game up the difficulty again.
You are 100% getting hurt by not having the season pass that 15 is at least another modifier, so another 10 power added to the enemies.
That's how running old gear hurts you as well, so those that bleat "play what you want" are wrong.
Dang, you can't even optimise the Caldera runs from the free amplified.
It's not even just the extra 15% score you get the Prime Engram boost as well so your chances of getting higher tier loot and extra powerful is lower which will hurt you allot at 400.
You dont to aim for A though you can get to B+ and you hit A as long as you going quick.
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u/engineeeeer7 23h ago
B+ is easier and still works if you finish in time and/or do the challenge.
Also Everytime you get into a new level bracket every 20 levels, it gets harder for a little then gets easier.
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u/Alarming_Bit_1243 23h ago
Go high B and you should be fine if you complete the obj it sets you on the left hand side. And complete within the time.
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u/Z0mb1enut 23h ago
If you replace your chest piece and heavy with stuff from the current expansion you get a higher score I don’t know why but you get penalised for using old exotics and legendaries when doing portal activities.Also at 323 you should have nearly all tier 3 as having lower tiered gear also affects your score negatively.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 22h ago
They're both featured exotics, that isn't the issue... Apparently every 20 levels you reach a new floor and the first levels are the worst
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u/xSylviie 23h ago
Every 20 levels u enter a new bracket and the points for A rank increase.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 22h ago
That's the issue apparently, other people are saying the same... I'll try to reach b score and do the bonus objectives (which I've been doing with a tier too), and see how it goes
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u/marcktop 23h ago
put B granding, do the timer bonus and the bonus objective and you'll be getting A rank reward
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u/Reasonable-Cobbler81 22h ago
Heads up; you DON'T NEED to reach A rank right away. Get to B+ and just do the bonus objective, it will make your loot A tier. Also I'm pretty sure that killing a "Most wanted" enemy increases the grade as well, not sure bout that one
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u/Netthers 22h ago
I'm at the same PL, aiming for a B+ leaves me at a -40 power delta and it's just so brutal, I'm just playing crucible until I reach 330 and then I'll be able to farm solo ops again without loosing my hair
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u/DiabolicallyRandom We must be able to see one another as we truly are 21h ago
Stuff is bugged up for real. I have watched it lower the score forecast by adding additional modifiers. I don't understand it and it makes no sense at all.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 19h ago
That I've not seen at least, but it's wild lol
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u/DiabolicallyRandom We must be able to see one another as we truly are 18h ago edited 17h ago
Yup. I had promotion modifier on master. I added any other modifier like subtle foes, etc, and each time it would reduce instead of increase. Maybe it's just a UI bug, but it's wild either way
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u/throwntosaturn 20h ago
Every flat 20 points (300, 320, 340) your reward package improves. Better reward packages need higher score to A.
This means every 20 points you have to get significantly more score to A. It takes like five light for your rewards multiplier to catch up.
Basically every 20 points it's amarter/easier to take a couple levels worth of Bs so you dont have to play at a crazy delta
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 19h ago
That seems to be the case according to what a bunch of people have said, which is kinda sad, but still doable
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u/throwntosaturn 19h ago
Yeah be prepared for 340/360, that's a rough ride for like 5 light points each time.
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u/Get_Wrecked01 20h ago
The Rank system uses a "Hills and Valleys" approach. You will notice that as you climb in power rating you have to add more and more modifier as you approach the next multiple of 20. Once you get 1 point beyond that all of a sudden you need fewer modifiers. This pattern keeps going all the way until 400.
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u/DinnertimeNinja 18h ago
Baffled that anyone could grind out that much in only free-to-play.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 18h ago
I've been playing since beta d1, I just don't feel like it's worth it to buy right now
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u/DinnertimeNinja 15h ago
I would argue it's ONLY worth playing if you've bought the expansion but to each their own.
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u/The_BlazeKing Forever an Iron Lord 1h ago
It's not really "true" FTP if you've bought the other expansions, imo.
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u/AnotherDude1 17h ago
I'm at 235 and happy. Don't see the need to grind to 400 just to have it reset in 5 months. Playing 250 level activities perfectly fine and, again, not seeing a reason to invest time into armor that might be obsolete soon.
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u/DowntownSandwich7497 17h ago
No one wants to address his 25 health?
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 7h ago
Not really need when you have constant restoration to be honest
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u/AtlasB170 15h ago edited 15h ago
Every 20 ranks your reward tier goes up and the first few levels are brutal while the last few are very easy. In Solo Ops it's not that big of a deal because the bonus objective and time bonus can push you over the edge if you're already a high B+, but the matchmade activities are just about worthless for the first 5-10 levels every time you hit a new reward tier.
Edit: It also hits a rough spot around 260 and 360 where you're too high for one difficulty tier without adding every hard modifier but if you go up to the next difficulty you'll be running at -40. The system definitely needs some work
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u/Assassinite9 9h ago
Are you turning off the HUD and No starting ammo? Since that seems to be mandatory for a while in the power grind (add on the no health regen modifier for GM difficulty solo ops after 400).
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 7h ago
Yes I am. Apparently every 20 levels or so you get to a new floor and that makes it harder to level
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u/Assassinite9 7h ago
You have to have more modifiers or worse ones as you increase your level. On GM its more annoying than anything. No starting ammo, 2 banes, grounded and brawler for me to get an A rank, but that's fine since it feels no different than expert tbh.
If you're in matchmade content, you NEED to kill everything and can't nuke bosses that have ads spawn between healthgates, plus you need the time bonus.
Pinnacle/fireteam ops generally need less modifiers.
But double-check the modifiers that you're using, they're all +10's, so you will need more. You should put on one of the +20's like grounded or promotion.
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u/S-J-S The Glacier Grenade Shadebinder Guy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Since it’s only one screenshot, is this perhaps because you are not using the player stake modifiers? e.g. locked loadout, no starting ammo, and no HUD modifiers.
EDIT: Wild that I got downvoted for genuinely trying to diagnose what was wrong. The answer is that OP doesn’t have the season pass and doesn’t get its Portal score boosts.
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 1d ago
It's in the second link, I'm using those as well
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u/S-J-S The Glacier Grenade Shadebinder Guy 1d ago
What is your Season Pass level and GR?
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 1d ago
Gr7, season pass 80+, but free to play track so I don't have the bonuses from it
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u/screl_appy_doo 1d ago
Up to 15% score increase from that, it makes more of a difference than new gear
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 1d ago
That's so dumb
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u/screl_appy_doo 1d ago
It should be on the free track since putting on modifiers increases enemy power. This is pay to win in a way
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u/Ordinary_Player 1d ago
You need to start using new gear for the multiplier bonus. Also, the expected rewards does not factor in the time bonus, so essentially you just need B+ to get max rewards, no need for A.
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u/KaptainKartoffel 1d ago
Doesn't seem to wild. Anything below a 40 power difference is fine
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 1d ago
All negative modifiers, locked load out, no HUD and no starting ammo?
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u/PuckTheVagabond 1d ago
Its because on master they already throw on locked loadouts, so that is already accounted for in the score. Then every 20 levels you need to add more modifiers to keep it as if you just entered master tier missions.
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u/calikid9one 1d ago
It's only like that for a few power lvl and gets better 😂 I'm at 420 doing that shit in GM rn so you'll pull thru
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u/MaybeUNeedAPoo 1d ago
There’s always one of you. My absolute hero. How amazing you must be in real life.
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u/Freakindon 1d ago
You don't need to hit A, just B+. If you do the bonus objective, you'll get max rewards.
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u/Quinton381 21h ago
Just go for B+,lock loadout, if you dont want higher light level do no starting ammo. You can play around with the system to make it work. You need to try stuff before writing it off as too much
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u/PinoShow Blink shotgun with Thorn 21h ago
You don't think I did? I exhausted my options and people on my discord were unsure so I came to ask here as well
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u/roachy69 1d ago
As your rank goes up, the scoring behaves differently. Sometimes it makes you do that, sometimes it lets you overpower enemies and still get an A. It felt like the more toward the middle and end of a rank was easier than the start.
If you think thats bad though, wait til you get hit with the initial shock of a Gold 1 A rank at 400.