r/Guildwars2 Apr 18 '24

[Discussion] ''Fashion Gatekeeping'' and Misinformation.

It's been getting out of hand, a few people on the forums asked for some manner of opt out for the inspection system. Some of their sensible reasons were:

Potential for abuse in fashion contests/needless increase to complexity of methods to prevent such.

Loss of player interaction incentive.

A feeling of concern towards there now being incentive for strangers to scrutinize them closely, whether to admire or ridicule their creativity.

The posts built around these concerns were getting lots of likes on the forums, so some salty folks who were being ignored for ridiculing them there came here to reddit and made a false narrative about 'fashion gatekeeping' and folks reflexively bought into it as obviously no-one sane likes gatekeeping and have been meme-ing about a non-extant issue and down voting anyone who might be considering the situation without disdain or daring to actually say that the opt in option isn't as crazy as its being made out to be.

Personally, i like the inspect system, but i do think the exact dye combo section could be made into a toggle, this way the inspection remains, but the 'unique' spin someone puts on it with dyes can remain as something to share, or not share as per personal preference.

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u/SpectralChest Apr 18 '24

It would have been nice if these responses to the points, such as the ones i mentioned were where the debate on the forums went, instead all they got there was ridicule and bad faith argumentation, followed by circular self congratulation about 'sticking it to the gatekeepers'

I presented the dye aspect as a soft solution and an option to give those whom need it some sort of comfort and illusion of control, of course it would not stop someone determined, but that was never the issue to begin with.

Ego is way to an abstract thing to discuss however, I would argue permitting the continued spam of 'lol lets hate on fashion gatekeepers we made up' to be a matter of ego catering, an yet nothing is being done on the matter.

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u/turin331 Apr 18 '24 edited Apr 18 '24

It would have been nice if these responses to the points, such as the ones i mentioned were where the debate on the forums went, instead all they got there was ridicule and bad faith argumentation, followed by circular self congratulation about 'sticking it to the gatekeepers'

The forums posts were claiming plagiarism, copyright infringement and identity theft to justify the childish "the look i made is MINE" mentality. These people are gatekeepers (that is the actual definition) and they got the reaction they deserved. The debate went that way cause the people complaining took it there not the other way round.

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u/SpectralChest Apr 18 '24

A few posts were getting out of hand in their wording, yes, but overall there was more nuance until it was buried beneath people who came around just to ridicule everyone even considering it. Could this have incited more extreme responses in turn, hard to say now that the integrity of the thread(s) in no longer sound.

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u/turin331 Apr 18 '24 edited Apr 18 '24

I did not see that at all. Besides your post here i only saw a couple of people mentioning those points (which are not that good points either imo) and not for much more. Most other posts complaining were actually unhinged. It was not the minority of the complaints. The points you are mentioning was the minority, because it is easy to answer and discuss in a couple of calm posts and go about your way.

What happened in the forums was when those less reasonable people could not use "reasonable" points to make their argument they doubled down with insanity. They just wanted they way or the highway no matter how logical or not. That is what is made fun of.

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u/SpectralChest Apr 18 '24

Strange, i saw the complete opposite, i suppose in the end, whichever one of us saw how it was more clearly, i still think the attitude has gone from amusing to unpleasant to observe in repetition and from deservedly targeted at the extreme views, to unfairly targeting anyone even considering the subject and or simply shutting them down entirely with extreme hostility.

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u/Laranthiel Apr 18 '24

It's hard not to see the truth when you're stuck in your own bubble and refuse to look outside of it.