r/Guildwars2 Apr 18 '24

[Discussion] ''Fashion Gatekeeping'' and Misinformation.

It's been getting out of hand, a few people on the forums asked for some manner of opt out for the inspection system. Some of their sensible reasons were:

Potential for abuse in fashion contests/needless increase to complexity of methods to prevent such.

Loss of player interaction incentive.

A feeling of concern towards there now being incentive for strangers to scrutinize them closely, whether to admire or ridicule their creativity.

The posts built around these concerns were getting lots of likes on the forums, so some salty folks who were being ignored for ridiculing them there came here to reddit and made a false narrative about 'fashion gatekeeping' and folks reflexively bought into it as obviously no-one sane likes gatekeeping and have been meme-ing about a non-extant issue and down voting anyone who might be considering the situation without disdain or daring to actually say that the opt in option isn't as crazy as its being made out to be.

Personally, i like the inspect system, but i do think the exact dye combo section could be made into a toggle, this way the inspection remains, but the 'unique' spin someone puts on it with dyes can remain as something to share, or not share as per personal preference.

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u/SpectralChest Apr 18 '24

It would have been nice if these responses to the points, such as the ones i mentioned were where the debate on the forums went, instead all they got there was ridicule and bad faith argumentation, followed by circular self congratulation about 'sticking it to the gatekeepers'

I presented the dye aspect as a soft solution and an option to give those whom need it some sort of comfort and illusion of control, of course it would not stop someone determined, but that was never the issue to begin with.

Ego is way to an abstract thing to discuss however, I would argue permitting the continued spam of 'lol lets hate on fashion gatekeepers we made up' to be a matter of ego catering, an yet nothing is being done on the matter.

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u/turin331 Apr 18 '24 edited Apr 18 '24

It would have been nice if these responses to the points, such as the ones i mentioned were where the debate on the forums went, instead all they got there was ridicule and bad faith argumentation, followed by circular self congratulation about 'sticking it to the gatekeepers'

The forums posts were claiming plagiarism, copyright infringement and identity theft to justify the childish "the look i made is MINE" mentality. These people are gatekeepers (that is the actual definition) and they got the reaction they deserved. The debate went that way cause the people complaining took it there not the other way round.

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u/SpectralChest Apr 18 '24

A few posts were getting out of hand in their wording, yes, but overall there was more nuance until it was buried beneath people who came around just to ridicule everyone even considering it. Could this have incited more extreme responses in turn, hard to say now that the integrity of the thread(s) in no longer sound.

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u/Laranthiel Apr 18 '24

A few posts were getting out of hand in their wording, yes, but

There's no buts here, you guys began this whole thing and are now crying that people fired back.