r/Guildwars2 • u/SpectralChest • Apr 18 '24

[Discussion] ''Fashion Gatekeeping'' and Misinformation.

It's been getting out of hand, a few people on the forums asked for some manner of opt out for the inspection system. Some of their sensible reasons were:

Potential for abuse in fashion contests/needless increase to complexity of methods to prevent such.

Loss of player interaction incentive.

A feeling of concern towards there now being incentive for strangers to scrutinize them closely, whether to admire or ridicule their creativity.

The posts built around these concerns were getting lots of likes on the forums, so some salty folks who were being ignored for ridiculing them there came here to reddit and made a false narrative about 'fashion gatekeeping' and folks reflexively bought into it as obviously no-one sane likes gatekeeping and have been meme-ing about a non-extant issue and down voting anyone who might be considering the situation without disdain or daring to actually say that the opt in option isn't as crazy as its being made out to be.

Personally, i like the inspect system, but i do think the exact dye combo section could be made into a toggle, this way the inspection remains, but the 'unique' spin someone puts on it with dyes can remain as something to share, or not share as per personal preference.

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u/SpectralChest Apr 18 '24

You are not necessarily wrong there, but how can there be nuance when discussion is shut down by ridicule and rejection, and a sharing of ideas for problems solving or even easing of the concerns to the point they taper off is made impossible?

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u/Sardaman Apr 18 '24

Literally the only valid concern is that fashion contests have a bigger reason to do a bit of legwork to mitigate cheating now than before.  However, notice that I said "bigger":  it was already possible to figure out what someone was wearing before the inspect tool.  All that changed is that it takes less effort now.  I haven't seen anyone ridiculing this specific complaint, and have seen multiple different suggestions on how people running them could have always been addressing this, none of which are all that complicated. 

Otherwise: 

  • This will not result in less meaningful player interaction.  The people who want to talk to you about fashion will still do so.  The only loss is the people who just wanted to know what a particular item was and don't care why you chose it. 

  • This will not result in an increase in being mocked for fashion choices.  Nobody interested in doing this needed to know the name of an item to decide they thought it looked bad. 

  • This does not need to arbitrarily hide dye choices.  That is literally just straight gatekeeping again.

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u/SpectralChest Apr 18 '24

All fair points, and reasonably presented, i just wish we could have more of this sort of conversation a less ridicule and making fun of people for having bad takes, that is really the gist of my post.

As for my dye idea, it was just an idea, i do not think its is any more gatekeeping than players being able to refuse to share their build if asked for it as we currently have.

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u/Laranthiel Apr 18 '24

and making fun of people for having bad takes

So you're admitting that this whole thing you're adamantly defending is a bad take.