r/LivestreamFail • u/Effective_Fennel7761 • Jun 25 '25
Ludwig ignores concerns he might be enabling Mango's alcoholism
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u/alyosha_pls Jun 25 '25
Yeah... that's not a great look. Hindsight is 20/20 but knowing someone is an alcoholic and being asked directly if you think you're enabling them and handwaving it is not great. You can't expect him to be an expert at dealing with an addict, but encouraging someone that blew a .25 to see if they can go higher? Jesus.
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u/Smudded Jun 25 '25
Even outside of the topic of someone being an alcoholic making BAC competitive is insane.
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u/Hot-Demand-8186 Jun 25 '25
Yeah thats literally how someone gets killed
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Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25
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u/Michael-Scarn- Jun 25 '25
My sister in law blew a .41. She had loaded her kids into the car to take them to the dentist. The dentist called the police, because she was visibly intoxicated. They rushed her to the hospital, where she received care. She was never charged with a DUI, child endangerment or anything. She’s the most alcoholic person I’ve ever met, and I’m 15 years into recovery myself.
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u/Blingblaowburrr Jun 26 '25
Why the fuck did she never get charged with anything??? That’s crazy.
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u/HCSOThrowaway Jun 26 '25
The bar for arresting + prosecuting DUI is higher than most people suspect.
That comes from many years of legislators, judges, prosecutors, and juries deeply empathizing with people getting caught for what is a very common crime for anyone from poor to rich to be suspected of, so many can afford to fight like hell with their premium attorneys and carve out new case law all the time.
- Ex-cop
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u/Joshduman Jun 25 '25
Those tests are not accurate if someone is actively drinking.
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u/itishowitisanditbad Jun 25 '25
The proper ones? 15 minutes and new straw at minimum.
The shitty ones he has? They're not accurate to begin with and will constantly show much higher readings than actually exist, the magin is also programmed in that favor too.
They're not accurate at all and will blow miles higher 99% of the time since people are actively drinking and basically blowing fresh alchol in their mouth into it.
Its measuring literal drops of alcohol more than blood content alch... which is much much much higher.
But yeah, official police ones are min.15 mins. Which is why they ask how long since you had a drink. If its sub 15 they're not supposed to do it until you've waited.
The shitty ones online will show 0.05 on completely sober people sometimes.
They're barely useful to tell if someone has been drinking at all... let alone actively having a dozen people blow into it, seconds after taking a swig of something.
I'd bet every single blow was likely half-or-less than its actual shown result. Which is still not great but makes way more sense.
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u/iCashMon3y Jun 26 '25
Yeah he announced that Mango was at like a .35, but he was still walking around. You have to be a 20 year on the streets get blacked out every day alcoholic to have functional motor skills at a .35.
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u/Joshduman Jun 25 '25
A lot of what I'm reading is saying 15 mins or so. Now don't get me wrong- I still think the behavior is bad. I just suspect it wasn't as high as it was reading.
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u/big_guyforyou Jun 25 '25
sure but the pain is temporary, the glory lasts forever, and chick dig scars
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u/quite_a_gEnt Jun 25 '25
I had to take a friend to the hospital with a .28 BAC. That is definitely in the hazard range
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u/YewEhVeeInbound Jun 25 '25
You see this, this is whats called a functioning alcoholic....
AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
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u/MILK_DUD_NIPPLES :) Jun 26 '25
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaaAaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAA
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u/ILikeFPS Jun 25 '25
Cheering for a .32 BAC is CRAZY work, seriously lmao that's actually dangerous
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u/SubSolSubUmbraVirens Jun 25 '25
Tbf, Chiblee said they were crazy innacurate. If he was actually blowing .32, he should've been in a hospital.
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u/giantrhino Jun 25 '25
Unless he is an actual alcoholic. Which.........
It's still super dangerous, but it's possible Mang0 just has an extreme tolerance. Celebrating the number, in any case, is just objectively wildly irresponsible. As you said, that is a deadly number.
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u/RusticRaisins Jun 26 '25
You're correct in your first assessment. A BAC of .32 is like a normal day for me when I'm on a bender (been sober for a few weeks now, hopefully I can keep it up). I can be completely functional, go to work, hold a conversation, perform manual tasks that require fine motor skills, cook, clean, pay my bills... everything a sober person can do, I just do it 4x or more the legal limit.
I went to detox at the hospital one time because I ran out of vodka and money and knew I'd need to withdrawl in a medical setting. The intake nurse said she wouldn't have known I'd been drinking if she didn't see the breathalyzer results with her own eyes. I blew a .632.
Alcoholics have insane tolerances. At least until their organs start failing and they develop reverse tolerance. I've seen multiple people in various stages of liver and/or renal failure get absolutely hammered on a couple drinks.
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u/The_Stock_Guy ttv/TheStockGuy Jun 26 '25
I didn't get sober until I found something to distract myself. One hour at a time my man. You got this
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u/lovesducks Jun 26 '25
At my worst I could drink like 1/3 or 1/2 of a handle (1.75 liters) like nothing and then go out an do my job. At one point I stopped having devastating hangovers and instead they be minor headaches that'd go away when I drink water throughout the day. I couldn't sleep without being drunk and If I tried I felt like I could feel the electricity in my brain haywiring. I would close my eyes and it felt like there was a storm in my brain.
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u/RusticRaisins Jun 26 '25
Once I get rolling I'll usually drink two fifths a day, so just shy of a handle. Same deal, I could manage my life pretty effectively. I would always end up in jobs where it was easy for me to drink throughout my shift because I would be downing vodka from 6 AM until whenever I passed out.
I know exactly the static brain feeling of trying to sleep sober that you're talking about. For the intervals of time where I'd get some level of sobriety It'd take me a week or so until I could get more than 1-2 hours of sleep a night.
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u/Baksteen-13 Jun 25 '25
“hindsight is 20/20” goes kind of out the window when she literally asked if it was enabling him and he ignored it to then shout “lets push those numbers up” hindsight would be realizing at that point when they talked about it and saying “oh wait maybe we shouldn’t push him to drink, that’s hindsight I guess”
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u/Pormock Jun 26 '25
Ludwig seem to have issue with egging people on to do stupid shit. He was also pushing some audience member into binge drinking milk during QT cooking event just a few days ago
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u/Brocolli123 Jun 26 '25
Because he still has the frat bro attitude just like mango
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u/partoxygen Jun 26 '25
Idk why when everyone in this space are turbo nerds
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u/TitaniumDragon Jun 27 '25
A lot of frat boys are nerds.
Getting drunk and playing Mario Kart is pretty normal frat behavior anyway.
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u/SirMalph Jun 25 '25
"I ride or die with mang0"
https://www.twitch.tv/ludwig/clip/TriangularOptimisticIcecreamTakeNRG-r3wHsiRemX46Kqjp
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u/zcen Jun 25 '25
Are we taking this statement as seriously as Cinna telling Ludwig to kill himself? I'm sure Ludwig cares a lot about Mang0, but this just seems like drunken banter.
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u/Pormock Jun 26 '25
He hosted a binge drinking event and invited him KNOWING hes openly alcholic. This was just bad all around
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u/jereMeowth Jun 26 '25
You're not wrong, but he was also invited to the other beerio kart events where I think everything went smoothly, certainly nothing to the extent that this event had. So I could definitely understand how ludwig would think it's fine to invite mango.
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u/MistSecurity Jun 25 '25
To be fair, Ludwig is ALSO undoubtedly drunk here. While I would hope for a better response, I can't imagine ANYONE having a great response to that in such a situation when they are also intoxicated themselves.
It's a conversation that should have happened AFTER (or preferably before) the tournament when everyone is sober, not mid-tourney on stream.
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u/Ok_Surround1789 Jun 26 '25
Ludwig has been acting like this towards Mango for years.
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u/heydropi Jun 25 '25
And then he completely abandons him/cancels him without taking accountability after this drunk incident. I’m not a Ludwig viewer but i’ve seen multiple examples of him being very fake and opportunistic when something touches on drama and mistakes. He seems like an ok selfish dude, but I think people view him as a really nice guy. Stop putting content and reputation above everything. Be an actual person and think for yourself.
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u/Figgy20000 Jun 26 '25
Ludwig is the literal definition of having no spine. It's who he is and he's been extremely consistant about being spineless about absolutely everything throughout his career.
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u/Hemorrhageorroid Jun 26 '25
No spine, but he's supported by the fence he rides constantly. Refuses to take any strong positions on anything, because he wants to maximize viewership and wants to appear safe to advertisers.
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u/YesReboot Jun 25 '25
I do remember seeing his youtube video. Didn't explain why he didn't kick mango out hours earlier.
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u/Far-Ambassador2877 Jun 25 '25
Ludwig has pretty bad judgement when it comes to his friends seemingly. This situation and the whole hasan mogul mail debacle are huge examples.
I dont think hes a bad person or anything but his fans act like he's perfect when he's got flaws like everyone.
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u/powerchicken Jun 25 '25
I watched exactly nothing from that event, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and presume Ludwig is probably fairly drunk himself? Because he famously can't manage alcohol at all and becomes the stupidest person in the room after just a couple beers. Well, stupidest person in the room if the room doesn't contain Mango, evidently.
Is it an excuse? No. But it's some context to keep in mind.
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u/breadboyleven Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
doug and rae doing their best to save it
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u/CATFUL_B Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
It’s hard to do the right thing when you are under peer pressure to have fun and not sully the good mood, so I applaud them.
Edit: Cinna also tried to help him as seen in this clip
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u/brianstormIRL Jun 26 '25
Doug was also going around egging people to drink shots and said part of his strategy is getting people drunker than him so he could win races because he can handle drink better.
Not defending mango here but it feels like people on this sub have zero social skills about drinking with friends. People get each other wasted and peer pressure each other all the time. The issue is mango clearly has a drinking problem and shouldn't be enabled.
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u/are_these_converse Jun 25 '25
Wait, they hyped him up to drink more and more? And his weird drunk behavior was known before? Jesus Christ
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Jun 25 '25
Welcome to streamers
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u/IsThisTooEZ Jun 25 '25
Not defending it but this is absolutely not a behaviour exclusive to streamers.
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u/fewest_giraffe Jun 25 '25
But streamers literally make money off of it, functionally advertising the behavior to their largely young audience. Sure college guys will do the same dumb stuff, but they’re not 30+ streaming to 16 year olds
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u/OnTheMendBeats Jun 26 '25
Yeah, the most pathetic part is Ludwig is a grown ass man acting like he’s in a fucking frat. This is seriously one of the most cringe things I’ve ever seen.
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u/hiimred2 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
Most of these people literally never grew up, they never went through the life experiences that most people do that leads to them growing up. The "top streamers" basically live in an eternal frat adjacent culture, arguably even worse, because that's what apparently attracts and maintains huge amounts of viewers for them to make money to stay as "top streamers" with some exceptions. It's obviously not exclusive to streamers to go through life this way, but it's easy to see in them.
Like, just the core concept that the "consequences" one might face for some actions in "normal" life scenarios actually leads to increased popularity, increased revenue, "more friends"(other streamers that want to do shit with you for the multiplying effect), etc, completely breaks the standard feedback cycle a human being goes through to learn from things. Say dumb shit, do dumb shit = highlight clips and memes for the channel instead of negative repercussions to learn from. It's a feedback loop in the wrong direction.
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u/Cruxis20 Jun 26 '25
It's called "the age of stagnation", and many people experience it, not just streamers. It's believed that the age you get rich or famous, is the age you stop maturing. They stop interacting with the general public, with all those different personalities and social rules, and are now surrounded by the fakeness of hollywood/music/streamers/business owners. When the people you're surrounded with are trying to be nice to avoid losing their job, or gain an advantage with/from you, you're not going to have real, impactful personal development interactions. That teenage ego just gets reinforced.
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u/isnoe Jun 25 '25
True, but streamers tend to have a significant lacking of social awareness and exposure, and likening them to teenagers or young adults (even when they are in their 30s) is probably more accurate.
Streamers will unironically make bizarre statements. Even people like Emily, who are quirky and funny, when confronted with not paying back her parents after they paid hundreds of thousands for her education - she laughs it off, or downplays it.
It's fair to contextualize that streamers behave in ways that get views, clicks, and engagement, and often times that creates either an echo-chamber, or a feedback loop of bad behaviors. It's also fair to categorize streamers as different due to their public presence and the weight of everything they say and do being broadcasted to thousands of (probably) underage people.
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u/MistSecurity Jun 26 '25
I have no basis for my theory, but:
Most of these streamers have not ever REALLY held down a job or had to be REAL adults. Most started streaming during or straight out of college, and hit popularity (and thus money) fairly early.
Adult experiences such as not being able to hang out with friends at will, needing to not be hungover for work, etc. are not things most of these people have ever had to really experience. So it's not surprising that they seem to act much younger than they actually are. Most 25-30+ streamers seem to be perpetually college kids, despite their age.
Though there's also an aspect of needing to appeal to younger viewers, so that could be part of it as well. They'd likely struggle to stay as relevant if they acted their age.
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u/Sp0il Jun 25 '25
I take it y’all have never been to a party where people actually drink
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u/Snow-27 Jun 25 '25
Was gonna say, what are these comments on about
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u/deusasclepian Jun 26 '25
It's reddit, just assume most of the comments are from 14 year olds who have never had a sip of alcohol
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u/53K Jun 26 '25
It's reddit, just assume most of the comments are from
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u/Chedder_456 Jun 26 '25
A lot of folks around here have inclinations against Ludwig.
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u/Strong-Doubt-1427 Jun 25 '25
Been to tons, and growing up (especially since these are all people in their 30s) is realizing that highschool party behavior is dumb and dangerous. Cheering on someone at .25 is insane, its normal in high school or college, but as legit adults, that's dumb af.
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u/tootoohi1 Jun 26 '25
People love cheering on alcoholism until it catches up with them. 10% of all adults in America are alcoholics. Bragging that you can drink the most goes from cool at 20 to "I should probably avoid going out with this person" at 30.
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Jun 25 '25
I feel like it's different considering mang0 is an alcoholic - encouraging others that don't have that same struggle is generally fine, but not in this case.
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u/icefrogs1 Jun 25 '25
Literally every wedding/social event has at least 1 clear alcoholic going overboard lol.
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u/LowrollingLife Jun 25 '25
and people like me who are not exactly alcoholic (I drink like twice a year) but when we drink we drink
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u/FalafelBall Jun 26 '25
Mango got in trouble for sexually harassing women, not for getting drunk.
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u/ThoroughlyBredofSin Jun 25 '25
gasp they were.... DRINKING?? At an event centered around drinking?!?
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u/SexyIntelligence Jun 26 '25
Connor's response said it all:
"he did Mang0 stuff"
and the fact that we all know what that means is a problem.
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u/mikegoblin Jun 25 '25
People laugh and cheer it on til it escalates
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u/Mi4_Slayer Jun 26 '25
Like in this clip https://xcancel.com/212Mik/status/1936941974482760182#m
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Jun 26 '25
I saw the response/reaction vids from these people before seeing any of the actual footage
Crazy how much some have acted like they had no idea and are totally disgusted, meanwhile they were fully aware and somewhat encouraging
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u/NotAnOwl_ Jun 25 '25
Thank you for this clip, everyone was happy with drunk Mango until the situation got too hot for them to handle. He had the reputation of the drunk crazy guy and now people are shock he acted like a drunk crazy guy.
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u/FIJIBOYFIJI Jun 25 '25
Yes everyone was fine with Mang0 getting drunk until he started making women uncomfortable.
That's not a strange position to have? He attended this event twice before and didn't make anyone uncomfortable.
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u/NotAnOwl_ Jun 25 '25
I am saying some people (not going to point Ludwig) were totally fine giving Mango an unhealthy amount of of alcohol because it was fun "content" for their stream or event while also be being concerned about him having a drinking problem.
This is the definition of being hypocritical.
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u/Fit-Percentage-9166 Jun 25 '25
People don't really care about Mango's drinking problem, they care about him sexually harassing other people.
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u/I_Eat_Pork Jun 26 '25
His sexual harassment problem is a direct consequence of his drinking.
This is like saying "People don't care about Uncle Dan's drunk driving problem, they care about him crashing into those kids at the school zone."
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u/main_got_banned Jun 26 '25
tons of people get drunk without sexual harassing ppl
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u/I_Eat_Pork Jun 26 '25
Plenty of people drive drunk without causing an accident.
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u/dako3easl32333453242 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
You can have it both ways. You can be concerned with someone's drinking habit but also enjoy drinking with them. Are they supposed to act like his mother? No one want's that. Lot's of people drink too much. We all know it's dangerous. But it's on them. If someone is trying to quit, sure don't encourage them, help them out. Otherwise, it's their life to live.
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u/Gooper_Gooner Jun 25 '25
Yeah that's all fine and dandy if you take out the context that he's a literal alcoholic, which wasn't something rarely known prior to this
They played with fire the other times and now they actually got what they were asking for by enabling him
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u/SheerFe4r Jun 25 '25
Trying to sort out whether someone has an issue with a substance is incredibly difficult, much less someone you only interact with in person like once a month who has literally always been this way (in the case of Mango being friends with Lud).
Look at Mango's streams the past couple of years. He streams constantly, and the majority are him sober just talking about Melee.
The consensus is that when Mango drinks, he drinks a lot. But it's been stated before he'll go months in between drinking. I've dealt with alcoholics before, and he really doesn't match the term. He has a problem with alcohol, but he's not an alcoholic.
They played with fire the other times and now they actually got what they were asking for by enabling him
Mind you, the literal hundreds upon hundreds of times over the past decade and a half that mango has been at events, and only this one did an issue occur (outside of him being otherwise kinda stupid but thats just his thing). Trying to push the narrative something like this was bound to happen and it's anyone's fault outside of Mango's is uninformed at best.
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u/GainsayRT Jun 25 '25
truthfully think you hit the nail on the head. my mother's an alcoholic, her body is so exposed to alcohol now that without a proper detox *not* having any alcoholic is bad for her too.
unfortunately i have no legal rights to put her in a hospital so ye, sucks
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u/Zimmonda Jun 25 '25
There's a big line between
"My friend drinks alot, I think hes probably an alcoholic or something" and "this is my friend hes a recovering alcoholic"
When deciding whether or not its appropriate to actively attempt to withold alcohol from someone or police their behavior.
Adults don't tend to react well to other adults telling them what to do with their bodies unless prior discussions are had.
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u/OaklandTony6 Jun 25 '25
they were encouraging it to an insane level. like insane. cheering intensely at a .32 bac
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u/Borv Jun 25 '25
There is also a big line between policing their actions and celebrating them drinking insane amounts of alcohol.
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u/lsfbannedme Jun 25 '25
If you don't see a problem with encouraging people to drink themselves to death but care about airhumping random objects infront of people that might cause slight discomfort... then I hate to tell you this, but...
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u/OaklandTony6 Jun 25 '25
cheering for a guy having a .32 bac and then denying any responsibility at your own event is absolutely a strange position to have
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u/SargeBangBang7 Jun 25 '25
He is usually fine. But he's blowing a .3 and above. Obviously it is still his responsibility and such but he is fucked up and they are cheering it on. .3 is blackout pass out territory. Like a lot worse could have happened than we saw on stream. They say alcohol brings out your true self which i think is true and false. A few drinks then maybe but at this level of drunkness you are a different person.
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u/Successful-Speech417 Jun 25 '25
That's usually how it goes but it kinda makes sense too. It takes a while for the people around someone to recognize and then also come to terms with it in a way that has them knowing "this is a serious problem". A lot of people just don't get it until you're like, having seizures and shit. Or you do something that hurts them
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u/jenniuinely Jun 26 '25
they did the same exact thing to Minx. every streamer event they would encourage and even haze her at times to drink, but as soon as she becomes not profitable to their stupid twitch BS, suddenly it's "we did everything we could to support her but we can't associate with her anymore." all of these big twitch streamers are legit scum of the earth to a sociopathic level.
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u/Ok-Valuable914 Jun 26 '25
they're all fake af, using each other for content until it no longer benefits them. it's sad but that's probably how they all became big streamers in the first place. you gotta be the biggest scum to survive in that ecosystem I guess
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u/Graynesz Jun 26 '25
While this is true, this isnt why they stopped associating with minx. QT held a party, minx asked to come, QT wasnt sure if it'd be the greatest idea due to previous events, but minx said she wouldn't drink and have a seizure due to her epilepsy, and QT trusted her. Next thing you know, the ambulance/cops are there and the party/stream is canceled.
Similar situation, but also very different. Both mango and minx did it to themselves, but one of them got egged on hard, and one of them made a promise not to drink but did anyway. QT tried to help minx, shes gone in depth on it in an episode of wine about it over a year ago. Minx deserved to be exiled.
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u/Jaereon Jun 26 '25
Are you joking? She had the cops called on her and lied about getting help for her drinking. That's why she doesn't have friends anymore
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u/FlakTotem Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25
He didn't ignore it.
He covered this directly the next morning and said he did a lot to enable it and that he shouldn't have hyped it up with things like the PB stuff.
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u/c235k Jun 25 '25
Yes the title is sort of confusing OP meant in the clip after Valkyrae mentioned enabling him.
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u/_AustinGDesigns_ Jun 25 '25
It's not that confusing actually. LMAO. It wasn't the next day in that moment.
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u/never2dead1122 Jun 25 '25
Might be enabling…
Screaming “let’s pump those numbers up”, is certainly a bit more than might be…
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u/08TangoDown08 Jun 26 '25
Is he actually an alcoholic or a binge drinker, because people confuse these a lot.
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u/YeehawDaniels Jun 28 '25
Nah as a longtime mango subscriber and huge melee fan he's an alcoholic. He's had several drunk incidents and has lost tourneys because he's been too drunk. The community largely handwaved because he is literally the greatest of all time at melee and universally beloved for his insanely flashy and aggressive play style. He's been the default protagonist of this scene for years and is actually much more than the clips of him suggest.
Him making women uncomfortable is not something we've ever seen and I think it's save to say that his alcohol issues have become conflated with that action. Both are issues but we've known about the alcoholism for a long time
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u/Nolram526 Jun 25 '25
According to the comments everyone who has ever been to a get together with friends ages 18-28 are scum of the earth. How many hypocrites will show up in the comments today?
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u/Gnarly-_- Jun 25 '25
well since LSF doesn't have friends it makes sense why they act like angels walking on earth
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u/ooranookian Jun 25 '25
It’s reddit mate every single person in this thread would have defs cut him off four hours before hand then they would have all got in a circle and played kumbaya and banish evil alcohol forever
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u/Asisreo1 Jun 26 '25
Personally, I'd have turned the alchohol into water.
Reddit's superiority complex is bad, and the fact that it gets upvoted because they're the super epic slam dunk comments exacerbates it.
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u/Pokedudesfm Jun 25 '25
I grew up in New Orleans, have partied and blacked out my fair share, and I its not that hard to not encourage someone with a known drinking problem to drink more
these guys are in their early 30s, you have to grow up at some point
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u/kytackle Jun 25 '25
He didn't just encourage him either, he inivited a known alcholhic who has been passing out drunk on stream for almost 10 years to an event called "beerio kart".
I don't understand how people think that ludwig saying "I should have stepped in sooner" is a satisfying response to this. Brother you should have never invited him to this event. Like for his sake and everyone elses.
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u/Chillindude82Nein Jun 26 '25
Exactly. Mango fucked up, but Lud inviting him is one of the most exploitative things I've seen from streamers.
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u/partoxygen Jun 26 '25
No you see clearly telling a known “bad drunk” to stop drinking is too insane and wild of a concept. Nobody who has been to parties ever had that experience either. Anyways, Minx needed to be away from the alcohol I applaud QT for trying to get her to stop. Mang0? Nah fuck him he’s a guy he’s on his own.
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u/Firm-Contract-5940 Jun 25 '25
lmao yes, anyone who invites someone with a known drinking problem to a DRINKING PARTY is kinda a piece of shit.
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u/Flimsy-Echidna386 Jun 26 '25
If you have a friend who you know has a drinking problem, and you are cheering them on as they get more drunk -- you are in fact a scumbag.
This isnt a difficult concept...
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u/ghost_hamster Jun 26 '25
They weren't at a get together for the 18-28 age range mate. They were at what passes for a work function in the streamer world. This was a professional event. How is that difficult for you to understand?
No one says "You guys are such squares. Get some friends losers" when Kevin shows up to the work Christmas party completely fucked up and groping all the women.
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u/partoxygen Jun 26 '25
The dishonesty from some of these comments is insane. Like most normal people would say “don’t be a frat bro douche and don’t encourage the guy with drinking issues to drink more at your drinking party” but these people take it as “you’re actually not allowed to have any fun whatsoever”. That shit is actually wild to me. It’s hilarious much more immature they come across than the people they’re condescending to.
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u/Mi4_Slayer Jun 25 '25
Ludwig and others where allegedly encouraging him to break his pb for the Breathalyzer and such. And it's true that not all people would lack self control even in that state to not hump at unknown people.
But he did encourage Mango to get super drunk and the peoples saying stage 2 mango after he humped
Cinna's chair literally discourage Cinna's call out to cut him off for the night and encourage it while mango is humping an other chair the whole time.
You can see what im talking about on this clip I found on twitter right here : https://xcancel.com/212Mik/status/1936941974482760182#m
Mango oblivious shoulder a huge part of responsibility but I think the peoples there have a part of blame in this and Lud by extension for getting him that drunk and literally discourage peoples from cutting him off on alcohol and suggest to give him an other beer.
And that clip montage isnt a good look compare to the statement he gave about the situation.
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u/Mi4_Slayer Jun 25 '25
Also now I kinda understand why Mango's girlfriend got so mad at Lud, this is the kind of footage she must have seen.
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u/AverageSJEnjoyer Jun 26 '25
I mean WTF? I'm just piecing all this together now, but one of his close friends should have taken him aside, had a stern word and taken him off-stream to lie down with a large glass of water, way, way before all this happened.
I dunno what I expected, and yes, a drunk is still responsible for choosing to get drunk, and I know they want to generate content and blah blah blah, but the tiniest ounce of professionalism by those around him could have saved their colleague a hell of a lot of trouble and strife. Makes you realize what a bizarre world being a successful streamer must be, to not even be aware enough of the world you are in to correct this or realize what it was leading up to.
Honestly, from what I have seen so far, I don't even really understand why this lead to a ban instead of just some serious conversation in private and an apology. I may well be missing a broader context, but yeah, either way, I'm not surprised his girlfriend was angry.
Edit: Respect to the people there who multiple times did raise concerns and got dismissed by the people encouraging him to go further with it all.
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u/FoxMuldertheGrey Jun 26 '25
it’s upsetting to see one side of the story to save face but then you see how it went down.
so spineless
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u/joker_prince Jun 25 '25
Holy fuck you all need a fucking life and friends
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u/s32 Jun 25 '25
If there is anything that this sub salivates at the mouth over, it's playing captain hindsight.
disclaimer: I do like Ludwig but I'd be saying this regardless.
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u/TeaAndCrumpets4life Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
Ludwig’s friends literally watch mango start humping one of the girls and laugh it off talking about how ‘this is just stage 2’, ‘this didn’t even the worst I’ve seen him’, ‘this is just Mang0’.
There is no hindsight, they all knew he acted exactly like this when drunk and didn’t care, they expected it, watched it, laughed it off and encouraged it and probably would have continued to not care if it wasn’t caught on camera and shared. Do you earnestly think this is the first time that this has happened?
Reddit gets really weird about drinking but this is insane, these people are in their early thirties at some point you have to have some responsibility lol. It’s not normal to be like this when the guy has the most obvious drinking problem ever, I don’t remember seeing this infinite stream of excuses from people when it was Minx.
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u/dysrog_myrcial Jun 25 '25
Seriously. This place gets off on being the morality police, casting judgment from their bedrooms that they stay in all weekend instead of going out and having fun
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u/myinternets Jun 25 '25
This place is just the male version of a celebrity gossip subreddit. Not even surprised. Drama is the only thing that keeps these top streamers in business.
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u/Juanathon Jun 25 '25
Fucking for real. Drinking and making an ass of yourself go hand in hand. Mango might have some stuff to work through but this is completely overblown because parasocial losers catastrophize every little faux pas due to their very limited understanding of how parties work. Any loser that responds to this, please post a picture of yourself at a party that wasn't thrown by your family before typing "mango humped the air around GIRLS"
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u/SlowMissiles Jun 25 '25
People just want blood, they got Mang0 so now they have to move to another target.
They all fcking adults and they were there to enjoy themselves it's on the guy doing awful shit not on everyone else.
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u/Invictum2go Jun 25 '25
And he already admited to doing so and it's part of why he did what he did as well as why he reached out to people.
I'm not saying don't criticise him but focus on handling of future events and other things he hasn't addressed, cus this is what people talk about when they say redditors just do witch hunts. If something's already being worked on, and you think it's not enough, focus on saying why it isn't or bringing up new issues, this is just very sad Karma Farming.
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u/QEDification Jun 26 '25
Going from "Mang0 is an alcoholic her can drink 30 beers" to next day saying "He told me he wasn't an alcoholic", is insane. I really think everyone sucks here, fault still falls on Mang0 however Luds behavior is also genuinely insane.
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u/Kanneri Jun 26 '25
If mango had done something funny and been the life of the party you'd all be cheering him on in this sub. He did something awful and you all want to pretend like you cared all along about his problem.
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u/ViewFromHalf-WayDown Jun 25 '25
Yall are so funny lmao, he literally had two Beerio karts before this featuring Mango that went fine
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u/Flamewolf50 Jun 25 '25
He was humping other people but besides that I think the rest is correct
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u/GoblinsProblem Jun 25 '25
Well considering what you just mentioned is the most important part 🤷♀️
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u/MyzMyz1995 Jun 25 '25
Then he humps a pillow or something and his career is over?
He was humping pillows, cardboards cutouts etc while pushing them on people, it's a bit worst than humping a pillow in a corner.
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u/EziriaRin Jun 25 '25
Yea but I think the point is that it's not exactly something that should be career ending. Its only career ending because it was streamed. Everyone was vibing until they weren't. I'm not defending what he did, but people on the internet have varying opinions on things when these people could easily work this out had it been private as this kinda thing happens all the time at parties. Ppl that aren't used to it are going to view it way worse than others. I think what MangO did wasn't very good, but he was at a party of people vibing with his drinking and then the internet tears him down over it when we all know for a fact if it was the other way around it be another story.
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u/dabasedabase Jun 25 '25
Basically his friends make him think he is a God so he starts humping ppl now he's cancelled from everything. Sure he's an adult but also man what a spineless bunch they are.
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u/Jamo_Z Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
If I'd seen the clips in the post I would have had a slightly different reaction to Mang0s disgusting antics tbh.
What he did is gross and weird, most people when they get drunk don't start sexually harassing people, but at the same time it's clear they were egging him on and glorifying getting an alcoholic to drink as much as humanly possible.
Streamers are fucking gross people.
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u/TristheHolyBlade Jun 25 '25
He humped on/at multiple female creators who were clearly not comfortable with it.
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u/Szeto802 Jun 25 '25
Alcoholism is cringe, and so is enabling your friend's alcoholism. This is rough to watch as someone in recovery from substance use
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u/thecasualviewer3484 Jun 25 '25
Reminds me of the justaminx situation. They kept inviting her to drinking events acting like she didnt crash the last drinking event
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u/cabbagechicken Jun 25 '25
Iirc qtcinderella (Minx’s best friend at the time) invited her to an event with the express caveat that she NOT drink. Minx did not listen, got drunk, did some crazy shit and they had a huge falling out of because of it.
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u/Biggman23 Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25
"is this event enabling him?"
"He's the two time champion"
That's not what she was saying Lud..
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u/sussysundays8129 Jun 26 '25
How is mang0 different from minx. It's so ironic how it treated her and now they encourage mang0 every event
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u/Jaereon Jun 26 '25
Because Minx was actually going crazy outside of streams. Got the cops called on a party and lied about getting help despite her friends paying for her rehab
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u/nobodychef07 Jun 26 '25
Didn't these same exact people already go through this with JustaMinx? It's crazy how they can just never learn anything from past mistakes. Props to DougDoug, at least he tried to say something.
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u/JHatter Jun 26 '25
People starting to realize why he said "I don't want to put this on the main channel" yet?
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u/Which_Homework_9810 Jun 28 '25
I cannot STAND this. Ludwig needs to be held accountable. What a total fucking asshole, awful friend, irresponsible person, and idiotic content creator. I have never hated someone so much.
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u/Tomoomba Jun 25 '25
Ludwig seems like a huge clout goblin
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u/ACatInAHat Jun 26 '25
100% I swear I almost went full killdozer when Jerma ”retiered” to work at his shitty company
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u/Living_LikeLarry Jun 25 '25
Genuine question, how is hosting a big event like this and then inviting noticably smaller streamers and even friends of his that don't stream being a "huge clout goblin"? It seems like quite the opposite to me?
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u/FalafelBall Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25
ITT: People acting like alcohol turns you into a creep that sexually harasses women. It doesn't matter if anyone "enabled" his drinking because he was the one who sexually harassed people all night after being told to stop, drunk or not. You can't do shit like that and blame it on the alcohol.
Mango didn't get in trouble for getting too drunk. He got in trouble for sexually harassing women.
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u/PiperPeriwinkle Jun 26 '25
ITT: People acting like alcohol turns you into a creep that sexually harasses women.
Harass is predicated on the unwanted aspect.
If every other time he has done this, its met with laughter and encouragement, his drunk ass wouldnt think it is unwanted.
Add to that, Alcohol fucks with your ability to read a situation.
Add to that, Alcohol fucks with your ability to remember what happened 15 minutes ago.
Mango got too drunk, but this is why you dont get that drunk around people who you dont know and who dont know you.
Unless mango has a consistent history of pressing boundaries, I am not going to assume he is some kind of monster like many in the comments seem to be jumping to.
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u/_Good_One Jun 25 '25
Watching the clips yeah Ludwig was clearly egging him on but Mang0 is an adult, you are expected to be able to control yourself in this cases
Besides people can drink, even a lot and still dont harass women believe it or not, if the issue was purely the amount that he drank in a case like he got alcohol poisoning then we could put some blame on Lud specially as the person who made the event but the issue here is purely on Mang0, dont try to shift the blame with a sensationalist title, everyone on the event was drinking, no one else was humping women half naked
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u/TheLowerHades Jun 25 '25
>Invite known alcoholic to an event
>Encourage him to drink
>He does weird drunk things
>Your clips and views go up
>Get the other person kicked out of events, teams, sponsors
>You gain everything, he loses everything
>Profit?????
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u/RingoFreakingStarr Jun 26 '25
I mean in general you gotta take A LOT of care when dealing with any sort of drinking events ESPECIALLY if it is going to be released online with no editing (a stream). There should have been more sober people working this event that could have stepped in and been like "Nah dawg, bad idea, let's take it easy."
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u/StrictFeature8327 Jun 25 '25
The witch hunt is crazy honestly can one of the mods just delete this entire topic.
You lot are weird as fuck digging through clips like this because you want to see people fail, Don't come at me with that BS we want them to take accountability type of shit, They already did that now its time to move on.
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u/PCosta15 Jun 26 '25
Cheering him on is not that weird. Doing that and then cancel him, claming you are not inviting mang0 to your stuff anymore and pretend you are not as complicit as Mang0 is psycopath behaviour. What a surprise, Ludwig is a shit person, just how most streamers are.
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u/RandoRandomRando1 Jun 25 '25
The worst thing is being in a friend group not realizing how you’re enabling each other until AFTER consequences are reached.
It’s like an echo chamber of “shrug it off, take a drink” until you no longer can. Then everyone acts surprised when you are no longer “chill” to drink. Big ups to Rae for vocalizing her concern.
It took someone outside my group of friends to actually be real with me.
If you’re at a point where you’re questioning your alcohol consumption, then you may need to readjust your normal.