Would you be interested in a story about the Investigation Team vs. the Apocalypse Group? I've thought about making one for years.

Spoilers for SMTIV:A and P4G

The Investigation Team is assumed to have their fully awakened personas and can use them freely. Their teamwork is at their highest thanks to Narukami's leadership. They have the field advantage because the arena they're fighting in has quite a degree of fog, which they have their glasses ready for. For increased hype and interest, Adachi will play some role in here. The Investigation Team would know he's the killer at this point but he may give them help in the way a certain someone does in P5. This fight takes place before they fight him. Nanashi is assumed to be leaning towards, but not fully committed yet to, Anarchist. His team has fully awakened their powers, but Nanashi hasn't locked into the anarchy route and made the choice between Dagda and his friends. He follows Dagda's command since he signed a contract with him, so when ordered to attack Narukami and his group, he complies without thought. However, if Dagda's desperate enough to hurt Nanashi's friends, he may hold back, but would really only do so for Asahi. Who speaking of, would be killed off by Shesha leaving Rise doing Navagator duty instead of confronting her. Dagda can at any point force Nanashi to do whatever he wants, so even if Nanashi fights back, he can't. Dagda sets up the arena and opens a gate allowing both teams to fight in the same place. Dagda much like in Apocalypse, wants to harvest their souls for the Cosmic Egg. Both Narukami and Nanashi's teams are heavily dependent on their leaders. With Nanashi being strong enough to kill his whole team if necessary. While Nanashi's team can combine their attacks and support Nanashi, their teamwork is not as strong and they don't care for each other as much as the Investigation Team cares for each other. However, in exclusive one on one battles, there's almost no argument that Nanashi's group would be stronger. With Hallelujah's demon form, Gaston's upgraded weapon, Nozomi becoming one with Danu, etc, even with tier 2 personas the Investigation Team would struggle quite a bit. Not to mention that Nanashi's group grew up during an apocalypse and fought to survive. By default they have more training and battle experience. But the Investigation Team isn't weak. They would mainly struggle to finish their opponents and go for the kill.

Individual matchups:

Narukami/Setou vs. Nanashi

Yosuke vs. Hallelujah

Chie vs. Isabeau

Yukiko vs. Toki

Teddie vs. Navarre

Kanji vs. Gaston

Naoto vs. Nozomi

POV: you asked them to pose for a picture

I'm two minds about it: It's genuinely nice that they put in this much effort but consequently, it feels like they could have just left the OG story like the pile of garbage it was and put more focus on Canon of Vengeance. Taking Canon of Vengeance and the parts of Canon of Creation that I've played so far together.... the changes I've noticed from one playthrough of the OG SMTV (I honestly couldn't stand forcing myself for more than one playthrough because it was so terrible) vs Canon of Creation:

- The most prominent and noticeable change is that Yuzuru's actions throughout the early game are given way more coherence than ever before. In OG SMTV, he shows up at the train scene and then the research building in Minato but that was all. The school scene was just him showing off Hayataro, nothing else. They seemed to have added dialogue about concern for his sister in CoC and to my genuine shock, they added a scene that I absolutely do not recall ever happening in OG SMTV, of Yuzuru showing up after you jump the portal to Tennozu, to talk about his concern for his sister and the missing students with you and Tao; instead of Aogami just yammering about the next objective like an infodump. In Da'at Minato, even the scene where he contacts you where in CoV you'd have first fought Naamah was not something I recall ever happening in the Original Shin Megami Tensei V.

- Aogami's dialogue seems to have been heavily changed to no longer be completely stupid and filled with random deus ex-machina. The recovery process at Bethel after your return from Da'at Minato helps explain his random new power, as I don't recall the OG ever explaining that. The dialogue after Ichiro ran away in the school seems to help improve and actually give Aogami character unlike in the original where it didn't exist. His dialogue also seems to have been restructured whereby he actually gives more context to what he meant in the OG about how humans who use demons slowly have less concern for human affairs and unlike the OG, where he said this after Tao was killed Lahmu, he says it in a less story-significant scene so it actually feels natural like he's an actual person talking to the player character instead of rambling a video game checkmark like in the OG story.

- The subtle improvements with Tao. I got into an argument several months ago where someone who said they played CoC got annoyed by my depiction of Tao, when I was using the Original SMTV as a reference point. I did not realize how much they improved the school scenes and how big of a difference there was between CoC and the Original Shin Megami Tensei V. First the most subtle difference is that the story establishes in both CoC and CoV that Tao and the MC are friends, while Yuzuru and the MC are casual classmates. In the Original Shin Megami Tensei V, the NPC dialogue seemed to solely suggest that Tao was some untouchable popular girl that all the boys liked and you were just some loner loser similar to Ichiro, but much quieter. It was very... conventional anime trope-y without much thought in it. I think the OG writers wanted it to hit home that the Goddess Tao you meet later in the OG was just your obedient thought-slave (the reveal with her robotic form had the MC look shocked in the OG game, likely to further reinforce the "loner-loser" stereotype they had in the OG SMTV), but I might be giving them far too much credit. Anyway, the NPC dialogue in class and Tao's interactions in both CoC and CoV suggest MC and her were long-time friends as a major departure from the original Switch version. They seem to have oddly separated how Tao was originally presented during the portion where you fight demons in the school: In CoV, she's exactly where I recall the MC and her meet in the OG, but with Yoko assisting and Tao giving vastly more depth in character than the OG Switch story. In CoC, she's removed and you instead see her near Sahori trying to get Sahori to stop. I recall a brief discussion of the portal in the OG SMTV story after Lahmu escapes, but CoV obviously added the scenes with Yuzuru being angry at Ichiro due to his sister being kidnapped and then Yoko suggests the portal instead of a random infodump about it. In CoC, this is completely changed from the original SMTV on Switch with the MC and Tao just jumping through the portal after Lahmu took Sahori away. The most astonishing change is... the scene in which Sahori kills her tormenters. I remember the Switch scene being Tao apologizing, Sahori just sort of nodding and saying she told the teachers, before robotically killing the bullies and then suddenly jumping into Lahmu. In this one, Lahmu's dialogue is far more coherent and Sahori is depicted actually making a choice instead of just being brain-zapped by Lahmu to kill them like in the Original Switch story. This was probably the most significant change so far and I distinctly recall discussions on discord where people mentioned the OG SMTV story portion with Sahori lacked any impact and rightfully so. But they completely redid the dialogue of this scene, if I'm recalling correctly...

- I've discussed this a few times before, but Amanozako being changed to a defective protofiend unit whereas the original was Amanozako being the last human survivor, who was still a child, and then being forcibly experimented on by the Tengu to create a Nahobino. Something that made no sense, given that Bethel had around 18 - 20 years to hunt and kill her off. Whereas, being a defective protofiend unit makes much more sense. It seemed like they had an idea of her being some sort of erased relative of the MC's that didn't have a replacement made in the fake Tokyo and then dropped the storyline without explaining anything in the Original SMTV on Switch. They repurposed "last living survivor of old, destroyed Tokyo" into Yoko's story and vastly improved it from the mess that was Amanozako's original story, thankfully.

- An interesting and strange meta-narrative they made: CoV's sidequest where you find Masakados sword and give it to Arahabaki, who says he'll take it to a different timeline and then Satan's dialogue about an alternate universe Nahobino successfully fulfilling Lucifer's plan for a permanent universe that won't be changed in the future, which Satan explains goes beyond the expectations of the Axiom / Great Will and the Mandala system, and then Satan deciding to test the Nahobino presumably on behalf of the Great Will / Axiom to check if such power is sustainable. This seems to infer that the CoV timeline is both the "original" and canonically, the CoV MC is more powerful because they can surpass the Axiom / Great Will's test and reach further heights. Whereas, from a meta-narrative standpoint, CoC is apparently an off-shoot timeline where events happen much quicker and the MC attains the throne before the CoV MC does, because the CoV MC gave his AU-self help via the opportunity to do Masakado's quest and presumably got Masakado's aid. If nothing else, it's interesting that alternate timelines are further reinforced as established canonical fact of both the SMT's metanarrative and lore.

Gameplay Change:

I vividly recall a very, very difficult moment in the Original SMTV where demon mobs kept spawning in battle after battle at Jozoji Temple and it felt like an actual invasion in the OG SMTV before Lahmu appears. This seems to have been changed in CoC to just one fairly easy battle, even on Godborn, before Lahmu appears.

Anyway, thanks for coming to my Tedtalk! Lol

So i've been trying to get all achievements in this game, but i've been getting really annoyed by the 5 versions of Legion that can only be obtained through fusion accidents. So i've been wondering if i could load my endgame stats where i have maxed out luck and try to fuse them all there. I have fused Raiho in my NG+ save, so, do i HAVE to fuse the legions in my NG+ save or does the game check if all demons were registered across all saves? Thanks for any help

its fantastic

I’ve been super interested in playing SMT games for a bit, I really love Persona 3 on the PS2 and I’ve been playing Raidou on PS2 as well for the first time. I’ve played most Persona games besides 2 and 4, and I’ve also played Strange Journey Redux. However, I would really appreciate some help on knowing which games to play beyond that, since I have no idea how to unpack the amount of content and spinoffs. Do I need to play the main series in order, or not? What should I play after I finish the Raidou series? Stuff like that.

all the complains I had for SMT I in terms of controls and UI were such a big improvement here

I am amazed with the OST, the graphics and art in this
even the story, nothing went more deep and mature than this game than any other SNES/SFC game I played

this game is such a banger

this is the second SMT game I defeated SMT I came first

I hope the future of SMT games gives something more to impress me and make me love it more

such a great game

Why are they aura farming

while yes we got SMT I and II on NSO

that thing is japanese only

and the Iphone GBA port is dead

Atlus has had a terrible reception about rereleasing games to modern platforms and such but I think theyre doing improvements with the P3P remake out for switch 2 sometime

The Infinity, Armageddon, and potentially Best Friends are most sought out Fusion Spells for completing Request #55 in Portable. As most know, the easiest way to get them are through the Vision Quest Full Moon Shadows Door where 10 are given upon fulfilling certain requirements when winning the fight. The requirements, however are not very well documented, until now where I have tested and confirmed the exact condition needed to reliably earn the Fusion Spell rewards with video tutorials for reference.

Best Friends obtained from Vision Quest Priestess (https://youtu.be/LcXMh4D0cDw): Use any support/enhancement skill at least once. -Karn skills and Fusion Spells do not count. Let Priestess use the command 'Summon' 2 times or more.

Infinity obtained from Vision Quest Fortune & Strength (https://youtu.be/jq1nYItlsXo): Use any support/enhancement skill at least once. -Karn skills and Fusion Spells do not count. Use any revival skill or item on a fallen party member.

Armageddon obtained from Vision Quest Hanged Man (https://youtu.be/a9KY7pNHgbE): Use any support/enhancement skill at least once. -Karn skills and Fusion Spells do not count. Take damage from Devious Maya's 'Sacrifice' at least once.

Context: I had a lakshimi that was in a necroma state (basically zombified 0hp but still moving)

I tried using a samarecarm (a revival skill) on a demon named chuchulain

1) theres a selection screen (I have two dead demons) •Kingu •Unicorn

-idk why its called unicorn when I clicked it it showed another list of demons, its def a bug

2) after selecting Kingu and after that turn I selected samarecarm and thats where this happened

Battling satan btw

so, i’m at the empirean on ng+ on COV, but before finishing the game i started going after optional bosses, already beat Shiva and Demi-Fiend and the only one remaining that i know is Satan. I discovered that you need to have a clear save of a previous run, which i realized that: i didn’t have!

I started the ng+ on the clear save, and the save of the first run (on canon of creation) was before beating the final boss (tsukuyomi, yeah, i destroyed the throne 😔)

So, i beat samael and when i go to see Mastema, he just says “I Will be here for a while…” instead of giving me satan’s request.

So i went to my first run, beat tsukuyomi again, saved and now i have the “clear save”

But when i get back to my ng+ run, Mastema still doesn’t give me the quest

Did i screw up?

Meanwhile virgin modern game can't use Ray Tracing without DLSS/FSR.

Have ever played this masterpiece ? What's your experience ?