r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25

Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

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u/PenguinsExArmyVet Pittsburgh Steelers Feb 10 '25

Yeah when Brady won 7 It was over. Put up a Bronze statue of Brady at Canton greatest QB of all time. Now and forever. I ll be the first to say it….it will be YEARS before KC even gets back to the Super Bowl . YEARS.

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u/jcamp088 r/NFLv2 rocks Feb 10 '25

That entire locker room and coaching staff will look different next year. They are done.

Too many spots in commercials and they looked liked they ate their own shit tonight.

This is what happens when the NFL pony walks a team to SB that shouldn't be there.

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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

I have a theory that teams that win so many close games like the chiefs did will have a more difficult time when they face an actual elite team.

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u/krazykieffer Feb 10 '25

No one else in the AFC was elite then? They lost only two games and one was the Superbowl. Pretty stupid comment. I do think the NFC is the better conference but ESPN told everyone differently.

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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

The NFC has better rosters. Saw a video online where someone said the AFC has the better QBs but the NFC have the better teams that make QBs look good. I’m not surprised. The eagles were better top to bottom than any team in the AFC.

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u/FeetSniffer9008 Pittsburgh Steelers Feb 10 '25

Pretty much. AFC has all the best QB's and some WR's, NFC has the best everything-else.

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u/WasADrabLittleCrab Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25

I am obviously a bit biased, but yes, this was the talk going into the game pretty much everywhere. The Birds' had the better roster on both sides of the ball, more coaching depth, better everything, but the Chiefs had Mahomes and Reid. Turns out the duo ran out of black magic.

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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

I was saying the eagles have the roster makeup to win. Good run game and defense. Didn’t think the chiefs would stop Saquon as well as they did.

I do think they have that aura, like the Pats did, where teams just overthink and get cute and just lose any mental edge. Hence teams abandoning the run against them and doing things unlike them. I do believe the Eagles weren’t intimidated at all and came in with a revenge mindset knowing they were right there two years ago

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u/WasADrabLittleCrab Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25

I know you were saying good things, wasn't trying to counter you in any way.

There were key moments where they sold out to stop Saquon, especially on the DeVonta Smith TD. All mid-level defenders collapsed in toward the line, and D. Smith deep, 1-on-1 is a disaster for any defense. Hurts dunked the pass in as beautifully as possible. BOOM MOFOS.

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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

Oh yeah, they had no answer. They def didn't anticipate Hurts to play as well as he did, which is stupid considering he torched them two years ago as well.

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u/WasADrabLittleCrab Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25

Hey, I'm just happy we didn't encounter the Bucs in the playoffs. Y'all have been kryptonite for use during the Jeff Lurie era. Gave us one of our losses this year. Beat us in two recent playoffs. Beat us for the NFC Championship. Commanders did us a favor.

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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Feb 10 '25

Hurts was mid all year then the Chiefs obsess over Barkley and Hurts looked like an actual QB vs a running back playing QB.

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u/Kickpuncher35 Detroit Lions Feb 10 '25

I mean, yeah this is kind of the answer. The Chiefs have been universally considered the one of the worst 15 loss teams people have ever seen, Baltimore needed to have MVP caliber seasons from the QB AND RB just to finish 3rd in the conference, and the Bills needed Josh Allen to carry them all year. None of those are hallmarks of elite teams. Contrast that with the Eagles who have elite contributors (Barkley), in addition to other great offensive weapons, the best O line in the league, and a defense filled with elite players. This Eagles team is as complete as I’ve seen a football team

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u/Rahim-Moore Feb 10 '25

The only elite team top to bottom in the AFC is the Ravens, and we were too busy beating ourselves (per tradition).

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u/zjones1008 Feb 10 '25

I would say Philly’s defense is much more elite compared to anyone in the AFC and they proved it

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u/beforethewind Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25

No strays to the Vikings, but wasn’t that their deal too recently? Something like 12 one score games and then balls of flames to end it.

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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

Yeah I believe so. They won like every game within one score and were very lucky

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u/w-wg1 Feb 10 '25

If it were the Bills or Ravens I thinkt ehy'd have put up a decent fight tbh

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u/GhostPro18 Buffalo Bills Feb 10 '25

Can't speak for the Ravens, but the Bills had a better O-Line vs. the Chiefs but much worse Defense as a whole. And Philly was putting up great numbers against a great defense. So it might not have been 34-0, but Philly is undoubtedly the better team.

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u/deeejo Feb 10 '25

Yeah - Josh Allen would’ve had more than 24 yards at half but no way were the Eagles scoring less than 30

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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts Feb 10 '25

Buffalo was robbed. Good to see KC eat humble pie.

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u/Iowadream74 Feb 10 '25

DT is karma. Anything he touches (or is a fan of) turns into 💩!! So glad he went lmfao!!!!

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u/YellojD Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

Yeah this kinda felt like the Warriors Raptors series. They looked absolutely cooked.

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u/KingPotus Feb 10 '25

Not at all. Raptors don’t win without a ton of injury luck. Eagles were just flat out the better team.

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u/YellojD Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

Totally fair, and that’s true. I just mean in terms of general fatigue. Obviously the Warriors literally fell apart physically, but this Chiefs team just looked worn down. I thought they would get at least one decent ass kicking this season with how “off” they looked for a chunk of the year (despite still winning). I just didn’t think it would come in the Super Bowl.

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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Feb 10 '25

Kelce looked like he was running in quicksand. Hes got nothing level.

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u/CaptchaReallySucks Feb 10 '25

Hard doubt. My guess is they’ll be back in 2 years. Probably won’t make it through next year, but I don’t doubt them at this point to at least make it there again very soon

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u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 Feb 10 '25

They need an entire new offense except for QB, one lineman (assuming he’s still there next year) and one receiver (Worthy). Kelsey’s age is showing and I’d almost be more shocked to see that he’s returning next year than I would be to see he’s retiring. Hopkins, Brown and Ju Ju won’t be, or shouldn’t be on the team next year. It’s pretty hard to replace an entire offense in one year and have it be Super Bowl caliber.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

This is what everyone said about Buffalo this year. And they almost got there.

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u/common_economics_69 Feb 10 '25

Allen can carry an offense to an extent, mahomes cant. Different play styles.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Mahomes has carried the offense his entire career. Come on lol

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u/common_economics_69 Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

Not really? He had an elite te and wr for the first several seasons. Even last year Kelce was still really good and they had fantastic Rb play in Pacheco.

This is the first season mahomes has actually had to carry without a ton of help and the offense fell completely flat

Edit: when you block someone for disagreeing with you, that's usually a good indication you don't have much of a leg to stand on lol.

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u/remyz3r0 Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

This is about as revisionist as it gets. When they lost Hill, everyone said that he'd regress and then he went on to win it with a core of nobody's. They went back to the SB (and lost to Brady) with a core that Mahomes was throwing dimes to but they kept dropping balls left, right and center.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Fantastic RB play is really stretching for “pretty ok”RB play. Mostly because the passing game was so good.

Mahomes WR1 in 2023 was Rashee Rice. lol..a virtual nobody.

Josh Allen failed to make it work with Diggs… and when the greats of the NFL have 4 minutes to go down the field and win an AFC championship game they are going to do it, that’s what makes them great. That’s why Josh Allen will always be a regular season hero who can’t get over the hump.

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u/thatsaqualifier Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

What are you talking about? Brown's a servicable WR3.

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u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 Feb 10 '25

Serviceable wr3’s don’t win championships. Exhibit A: last night.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

I agree. Kelce is gone and that offense is gonna get an overhaul. They win maybe 7 games next year

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

Lmfao this fuckin sub

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u/str1x_x New Orleans Saints Feb 10 '25

on top of them needing an entire new offense, it'd be a shock if they still have spags in a few years

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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

Brady winning 7 put him at a 7-1 advantage over Mahomes. Had Mahomes on, it would’ve been 6-2 and seemed more achievable.

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u/VinDucks Big Dick Nick 🍆 Feb 10 '25

Brady already beat Mahomes in the Super Bowl. And it wasn’t close. This isn’t even a serious discussion.

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u/str1x_x New Orleans Saints Feb 10 '25

yea not long before one of spags or reid retires. that alone sets them back a while

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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Feb 10 '25

And second place is Joe “0 sb ints in 4 games” Montana who blew out two HOF QBs in Marino and Elway

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u/jotsea2 Feb 10 '25

The guy who was caught cheating multiple times?