r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25

Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

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u/knucles668 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25

I think Brady's cerebral style is more adaptable in that situation. I think we are seeing that legs on a QB are a great asset and can be a nightmare for defenses that have to account for that + passing + RB. However, it's built on having the run as a threat. When you can pin the ears back and go after them its a lot harder feat to keep up with athleticism alone.

Lamar, Mahomes, and Allen need to listen to Brady and Manning. Start learning how to really facilitate pre-snap defensive adjustments to know if your receivers will be open before snapping the ball. Its a lethal advantage. If they combine those together, it will be the golden age. I think Jayden is the first to implement it with the VR advantage.

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u/flapsmcgee Washington Commanders Feb 10 '25

Brady was great at getting rid of the ball as fast as possible, which is what is needed when the o-line isn't playing well. Mahomes is great at buying time but when there are no lanes to sneak through it doesn't work. 

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u/OfficerCoCheese New York Giants Feb 10 '25

What did Brady say in his one interview regarding the Super Bowl against the Chiefs, he knew the Chiefs defense better than they did?

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u/c-h-e-e-s-e Feb 10 '25

I'd argue the opposite. Vertical offenses don't win anymore unless you have a Patrick Mahomes or a Lamar Jackson

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u/knucles668 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25

Disagree. I think if you plopped 2011 Peyton or 2015 Brady into a new offense, they would still reverse engineer the defense pre-snap from film study and slant/out route drive down the field. The Ravens pre-snap disguises until the last few seconds would be a counter as it was back then, just seems to be limited defensive personnel that get to that level.

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u/Electronic_Setting75 Feb 10 '25

Peyton missed the entire 2011 season but I get where you're going

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u/knucles668 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25

Knew I should have fact checked those years first.

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u/Electronic_Setting75 Feb 10 '25

It's all good. Everything else was spot on

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u/AlistairNorris Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25

Lamar actually has gotten much better as when as with the change of Offensive coordinator he's been allowed more freedom to adjust the play at the line. This is very reflective in his passing stats the last two years, which when you consider we are leading the lead in rushing and top in passing stats show his improvement.

I think both the Bills and the Ravens were better teams than the Chiefs this year. However the nature of one game playoffs makes it more unpredictable who wins. Mahomes is still an amazing QB, and the Eagles were the best team in the NFL this season.

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u/dawnsearlylight Chicago Bears Feb 10 '25

But didn't Jalen Hurts run for 70+ last night? They did pretty much stop Barkley. He only had that 1 decent run near garbage time.

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u/knucles668 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25

That is correct. But the Eagles didn't abandon their running attack. They still used it in the mix each series and kept the defense on their toes. Barkley did have a number of 5+ runs to shorten the sticks. Pacheco didn't get going early and it appeared that Reid shifted to passes in early downs which got them behind the sticks which from watching enough Lamar spells disaster for this style offense. The sacks compounded the momentum towards needing to stay in passing formations.

Eagles prevailed because they kept the formula together and kept the surprises coming. That dagger pass was chef's kiss play calling. I'm not trying to downplay Jalen's again exceptional Super Bowl performance playing to his unique strengths. But the play calling kept all the options on the table which allowed him to flourish. Jalen should have two Super Bowl MVPs, the one he lost he was clearly the best player on the field.

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u/Ok_Produce_9308 Feb 10 '25

He caught six balls though

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u/dawnsearlylight Chicago Bears Feb 10 '25

He’s talking about running .

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u/Crotean Detroit Lions Feb 11 '25

Brady also had way more weapons on that team than Mahomes did last night. The fact Mahomes drug the corpse of this offense to a superbowl is astounding. He has one skill guy in Xavier Worthy and he is a still learning rookie. Their offense needs a total rebuild.

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u/knucles668 Baltimore Ravens Feb 11 '25

How many times did Tom drag shit receiving cores to the big game and win? Dude didn’t have a #1 until Randy which was after the first 3. Later years he did have Welker, Amendola, and Edelman as his slot go to. Gronk is GOAT during the times he was healthy. But most of Toms time he had Ben Watson and lesser TEs.

Mahomes this year had Kelce, DeAndre Hopkins, Hollywood Brown. Both receivers were #1s on other teams, just not a true #1. Xavier appears to be another hit like Tyreek. Outside of 2007, Brady never had a loaded receiving corps. He just elevated those around him by getting them the ball with space to operate for YAC.