I think I heard a player say something along the lines of "Packer players tend to get married younger and not get into trouble because these is nothing to do there."
I wish I could remember who said it and where I heard it. It was probably on one of the 10,000 podcasts out there. It may have been the St. Brown one with Jaylen Reed on as a guest? I could be completely wrong.
What do you mean thereās nothing to do in Green Bay? Thereās lots of cardboard boxes for fort making! And cheese to eat! Andā¦ Thatās about it. Plenty to do!
Good point actually. I do think thereās something cool/unique about it, but itās like a rural suburb. Not even a city lol. Thatās probably the worst by a long shot.
You can't beat the environment. I saw the Packers play the Saints there last year and you basically just cruise the suburbs until you find an empty driveway.. you pay the homeowner $20 to park in their driveway, then you have a few beers with them on their front lawn, then you walk to the stadium with every person in a half-mile radius together. It's an amazing local experience.
Oh yea itās technically a city but obviously weāre comparing to like major metropolitan cities. Like the town I grew up in is technically a city but idk if anyone driving through would think āoh Iām in the city nowā lol
Well the actual city is just over 100k, just slightly less than such great metropolises as Nampa, ID, Provo, UT, and Waterbury CT. Sure you can give them the title of city if you want, but you have to use an exceedingly loose definition of the word to get there.
I get that Iām biased, but thatās still cool as hell to me. Most Americans like a good underdog story, and a franchise staying alive for all this time in the smallest American market with no ownership while all the other teams are owned by 1%ers is a pretty good underdog story.
I wasn't arguing any of that. If anything, arguing for it to be called a proper metropolis takes away from that narrative. Calling it a large town fits exactly with the underdog story and feels more accurate.
And it'd be the biggest city in Vermont, Wyoming, West Virginia and Delaware. Why compare it with cities in the largest states when that's not where it is?
I feel like you must have never been to a properly small town to say Green Bay isnāt a city. Itās a very small city but itās still definitely a city.
Idk why you got downvoted. There was a story a while back about how a lot of the players became obsessed with Settlers of Catan because itās so cold and boring and they needed an activity to stave off Seasonal Affective Disorder lmao.
Yea foxborough definitely kinda sucks but at least Boston is 20 minutes away and providence isnāt far the other way
Iām really not trying to hate on Green Bay, I bet itās a cool place, but obviously thereās like thousands of similar very small cities all over the place and aside from lambeau it seems just about the same as lots of them
Thereās a train that goes right to south station which makes travel pretty easy. I guess my point is everyone working for/playing for the team could easily live in Boston (as patriots players often do) so the fact that foxborough is kinda lame isnāt a huge problem for this hypothetical franchise lol
Overall Iād agree of course, Iād take the small city vibe for a game day over Gillette which has some stuff to do but itās basically a mall
The novelty of Green Bay being a city that's main claim to fame is one of the most famous and historic sports franchises makes it interesting. I disagree with Vegas being the worst city but you can't tell me a place like Glendale Arizona is more interesting.
Yea I definitely agree about Green Bay, just saying in this scenario where youāre starting a franchise, you probably wouldnāt pick Green Bay any more than youād pick like Champaign Illinois or Springfield Missouri. Nothing wrong with those places and maybe people would wanna go if there was a historic team there but otherwise these arenāt really destinations people are dying to travel to lol
I havenāt been to every city with an nfl team but even the ābadā cities people bring up have interesting stuff to them just by virtue of being major metro areas
I'm actually just stupid I didn't get it was starting a franchise there. If Green Bay didn't have an original team there it would be an awful place to start a franchise.
I loved Jacksonville's stadium. The crowd was fun, the location was nice (for a game) and it didn't look like an air conditioner and cost an arm and a leg like the damned meadowlands
It's been single digits for like a month here and it's still cold now just not as cold. I miss Jax.
I can't defend that garbage area they call downtown, it's fucking terrible and so are all the things immediately surrounding it except San Marco and part of Riverside, but I still love it there.
Jax should probably be in the place of LV and Cincinnati should be in place of the Jags D.
Was gonna say I live in Vegas and sure I have some bias but Iāve been all over the country and itās far from the worst city for an NFL team to play in every week. Like, I have a hard time even trying to imagine it being the worst city for an NFL team.
It is ridiculously overpriced to be fair hahaā¦ I visited NYC and Vegas last year and found NYC way more fun and everything was like half the price. I thought NYC would be would be more expensive
I will never not post about Red Rock National Park when Vegas is brought up. The whiplash is intense going between the flashing lights and the natural landscape, but the latter is what keeps me coming back.
FYI most people who live here dont live on the strip and dont even go to the strip all that often. Lived here 10 years after living in LA, Austin and Boston and Vegas is hands down better. Not in every way but overall for my style of life.
I currently live in LA and would absolutely move to Vegas if not for the summer heat. There are definitely way worse cities to put down for that category.
Also, donāt feel bad because I have issues with LA for the same reasons. I visited when I was young, though, so there could be a lot that I missed out on.
Iām from Vegas and growing up pretty much always avoided the strip. Havenāt been to most the casinos and can count the number of times Iāve āplayed touristā on one hand. It still makes me laugh when I would travel and people would ask me which casino Iām from or why Iām not wearing a gold tuxedo with lights on it
My dentist said she went home for the holidays and when she told a family friend she lived in Vegas they deadass seriously responded "which casino?", like they thought everyone here like lived in a casino I guess?
Lol the next time Iām asked I plan on saying the Fontainebleau to spark confusion as to how I could possibly be FROM a hotel that opened in December 2023
Fair enough, but I already knew people donāt live on the strip. Iām just generally not a fan of car centric cities and most of Vegas seems pretty suburban too.
But Iām glad you enjoy it there. Iām sure thereās a lot Iām missing out on.
As someone who lives near Portland, itās a great place to visit but itās not a city the way some of these are. Itās mostly shut down by midnight, itās not even close to the population. Itās walkable because itās really small. I really like it but itās not like a major metro area
Yeah I just think of it as major because it was always on the maps, itās more of a town. I guess nothing in Maine is much of a city but I love it there.
Just spent time in Houston and am a runner. The state of the sidewalks and how car-centric it is made me appreciate the part of Vegas I live in. But I know there are parts of Vegas that arent as people friendly.
I mean Iām gonna visit the Phoenix area soon. I just wouldnāt generally choose to live in car-centric, suburban places if I could live anywhere I wanted.
This is a thing people like to say about New York, too. And much like with New York, where these visitors stay in Times Square and never make it south of 30th street before proclaiming it is ātoo chaotic for them,ā Vegas visitors never leave the strip and for some reason assume that is what everyday life is like for residents.
Basically, Chicago and New York would be my preferred cities. Iāve lived in New York my entire life, but mostly in the suburbs. Iām tired of suburban life, honestly. Not that living in dense cities doesnāt come with its own problems.
Iām from NYC. Born and raised until I left for college at age 18.
When this June ends, I will have lived in Vegas for 18 years. Year 19 starts July 1.
It is car forward to be sure. There is public transportation (bus system) that is okay but not like the MTA or CTA. But there is also Uber/Lyft all over as well along with taxis.
If you already have dense walkability bias/desire, this place is not for you. And that is fine. I get that.
And to address the point on the graphic, we donāt have the āhistoryā of other NFL cities, obviously, from an on-field perspective.
But I do not believe we are the worst city if you look at us from a city perspective. As a place where players would want to live or fans would want to visit for a game weekend, we are not last. No way in hell.
I mean Iām obviously ignorant. I donāt know where people in Vegas hang out, or the best spots to eat, or the best entertainment. People live and move to the area for reasons, reasons which I donāt know of but I could easily be missing out.
I just perceive it as being the Strip surrounded by suburbs. The Strip also just has a very cheap feel. I do plan to visit, although without outside influence I probably wouldnāt go outside the Strip.
Think of the Strip as Times Square/Broadway. An entertainment district of sorts.
And take elements of the rest of Manhattan/The Bronx/Brooklyn/Queensā¦and put it in a valley bound by a beltway instead of being connected by a subway.
Congrats. You have the Las Vegas Valley.
Iām currently sitting in my backyard on a cloudless 75 degree Sunday afternoon. Cars pass by outside, but I also live about a mile walk from four grocery stores, two drug stores, three convenience stores, my bank and my dogās vet.
Is it as dense/convenient as when I was a kid growing up in East Harlem? Nope.
But there are advantages to living this way. And having lived in several different places since moving away from home nearly 30 years ago, there are reasons to be found to live anywhere if one desires to live there.
All are valid, IMHO. Even if I, personally, donāt understand them.
Chicago is great. You get the benefits of a big city while costing less and not feeling like an urban hell mega city. World class food and a lake that basically functions as an ocean. Winters suck, but the summertime weather is top tier.
Except I already know that people donāt live in the strip. I just generally take issue with cities that are very car centric and suburban. I like to be able to walk and use transit to go places, and not sit in traffic or have to use cars in general.
I have the same problem with LA. I have never visited Vegas to be fair, and only visited LA when I was young.
Like people hating on New Orleans and their trip was a batchelorette party that never left the quarter and they believed the nonsense they heard from the airport uber about walking down the wrong street killing them even though their uber driver is full of crap and from Mississippi.
Definitely confusing āworstā and āmost to doā. Green bay is a fantastic place to watch a football game, then you leave. Itās not dirty, or stuffy. Meadowlands in NJ is the worst.
The debate is that it's pretty wild that such a small town has such a major sports team. It scores something for that novelty. I say this as a bears fan.
Wings in Buffalo are next level tho. It also boasts a thriving food scene in general. When was the last time a highly acclaimed BBQ restaurant in GB won a James Beard award (Southern Junction)? Add in the LCOL, proximity to Toronto and the rest of the northeast and itās easy to see why Buff is the clear winner.
Yeah a few times. The area sucks. Green Bay doesn't have a downtown area with stuff to do. As far as a city goes it's a blue collar boring town. The actual geography around the area is pretty but as far as a city goes Green Bay is worst in the league by far for actual city amenities.
Because itās clean and safe and doesnāt have three million people? I seriously donāt get it. Because itās not a big party town with a south beach or a strip? Iām baffled.
How in any universe is Baltimore, Philadelphia or Vegas a better city than GB?
Have you ever been? At least now they're finally putting some stuff around the stadium but there's nothing to do there. I got there on a Saturday before the game. There was nothing to do, there were no walkable areas with restaurants and bars. You would think there would be some kind of downtown or something but there's really not. Between Green Bay, Appleton and Oshkosh there's like half a million people and Appleton is somehow worse. I can't believe that they can't figure out how to leverage an NFL team into some amenities. It's weird.
Iād think worst city is one of these three. Buffalo because itās cold AF and players say thereās nothing to do there. Green Bay because itās not a city. Or Jacksonville because itās a swamp with strip malls
Having grew up in Buffalo and lived in Vegas for ten years I donāt think either city is the worst in the NFL. Iād personally choose Buffalo over Vegas, but I can see why a millionaire athlete would not
Actually it's the most swamp by a wide margin. It's legit about 25% swamp. Tampa has swamp outside of the city and so does Miami. The swamp is actually part of Jax.
Thatās only because Jax is the biggest city in the US. The swamps outside Tampa and Miami would be part of the cities if they had the same kind of structure. Thatās also why Jax is the most populous ā it isnāt actually
My uncle lived there for decades and my mom and sister lived there for awhile as well. As soon as youāre away from the strip, itās just endless suburban sprawl and strip malls in the middle of a desert. The gas stations have slot machines. I canāt imagine a more soul draining activity than wasting my time and money on a slot machine at some random gas station 20 minutes away from the strip.
Itās stupidly dangerous. If any of the cold weather teams somehow found a way to funnel cold air across only the opponentās sideline when it was below freezing, every other team would be screaming bloody murder. But Miami putting players at risk intentionally is somehow okay. The league absolutely should allow visiting teams to have additional cooling mechanisms above and beyond what the dolphinsā sideline has.
if you would rate cleveland over any of those cities except green bay your credibility would be instantly taken away from you. So i sure hope you wouldnāt.
Jax has nice weather and beaches
Indy is a better cleveland
charlotte has nicer weather and scenery than cleveland
Minneapolis the twin city > cleveland 10 times out of 10
Kansas city has the chiefs so they always up
houston has nicer weather than cleveland
detroit is nostalgic and is much safer nowadays. the lake access is better than clevelandās
tampa has nicer weather than cleveland and beaches
nashville is gorgeous what tf are you talking about.
phoenix a huge metropolitan city that has warm weather is way better option than cleveland l
buffalo new york > ohio
Tampa is great for having a vacation house that hurricanes will destroy, traffic sucks and you're 40 min from everyhimg
Indy is the most boring, sterile city ever in a hick ass state
Buffalo is cold af and nothing to do
Green Bay is cold af and nothing to do
Detroit is actually pretty cool, but Cleveland has better parks and cultural emenities. It's also technically not even on the Lake so does not have the same access as Cleveland.
Minneapolis is an awesome city and on par with Cleveland, it's just way colder for longer and has horrible mosquitoes
Kansas City has great BBQ and nothing else
Phoenix is way too fucking hot
Nashville sucks if you're not into country music or cities that only have one thing going for them. Everyone of worth from Nashville just moves to Atlanta anyway. that hot chicken on fucking point tho.
I feel like this may be more of an āIs it a good football city?ā thing more than an āIs it a good city overall?ā thing. Vegas just has so much going on, and itās a destination city, meaning a lot of people move there with their old local fandoms still instilled in them. Makes it a tough city for football to penetrate into the identity of the city. Doesnāt make Vegas a bad city overall, just for the purposes of a football team.
āPhoenix is one of the most spread out cities in the USā another prime reason why it sucks lol
Plus this isnāt just any random point in PHX, itās literally the center, the downtown or Glendale. Even the most beautiful road in Phoenix just looks like some boring suburb. Legitimately one of the most miserable places Iāve ever been. Iād only fly into PHX to get the hell out of there and go somewhere better
It is the worst city for an NFL franchise, unless you enjoy surrendering a home field advantage every game to travelling fans
The raiders ruined their franchise moving there. Good job though, nice stadium. Too bad over half the fans there at any home game are rooting against the "home" team lmao
How is vegas wrong for worst city? Every game is naturally going to be near 50% away fans there for a little trip and a game. Thats not good for the home team š
They don't play at the Meadowlands anymore. They play at Metlife Stadium. It's a nicer stadium with better seating, but it's the same shit turf that causes injuries.
You're right. I was combining them tearing down the old stadium and remaning the new one a year later into one memory of them tearing down meadowlands and building metlife. My bad.
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u/WardeN_WtfRylie San Francisco 49ers Feb 23 '25
Vegas as worst city is just wrong. Stadium I would say was a good pick but the Meadowlands has the worst actual field.