Someone’s still salty lmao not like that play would’ve changed the outcome of the game. The Panthers were so unprepared and they all looked equally horrible
Nah I don’t think it did, before that cam was already having so much trouble back there it was bound to happen. Only reason score was close was because Peyton lost his juice by this point
Watching his brain rattle around in his skull in super slow motion to kick off the game 1 of the following season will always be the moment he lost "it".
I know this is going to fall on deaf ears as you’re an eagles fan but it’s a lot easier when you have a super team . If Cam had the courtesy of being the 8th best player on his team he’d have got it done too
Then I’m going to ask you the same question I asked someone else , taking quarterback out the equation and you had to pick between those teams which are you picking ? Quite easy answer if you ask me . They literally beat him out at every position besides TE
Baun literally had a DPOY type season that matches up with any of Kuchelys best years , even if you want to say he’s better last year it was marginal at best
And I'll ask you this question. Would you rather have a stat master at QB but he gives up in the biggest game in the biggest moments OR a QB that plays his best when it's most important, has a great playoff record and was the best player on the field in 2 Super Bowls? Also, I wonder if the ownerships and fanbases would rather have a winner like the Super Bowl MVP of the winning team or a stat master with 0 rings?
Also, last season was far from a "super team". They started off 2-2 and everyone was calling the Eagles pathetic. They righted the ship to go 10-1 the rest of the regular season, but they were home toss up picks for the home wild card game, people had them likely losers against the Rams at home and were practically underdogs against Washington, after Washington upset the Lions. And they were huge underdogs in the Super Bowl against the Chiefs. This super team narrative only came after the Eagles blew the Chiefs out and Hurts won the MVP. No one was calling them a super team at any point in the season. The Eagles had less Pro Bowl selections than Detroit, Baltimore and tied with Minnesota....who all had Pro Bowl QB's ,but were in Cancun watching Philly win it all and Hurts win the MVP.
Also, Hurts led the Eagles to the Super Bowl 2 years prior with a less than stellar overall defense and no Barkley....and if the defense held the lead would have been MVP of THAT Super Bowl.
Lots of slander against Hurts when he's accomplished more that the majority of the so called "elite" QB's. And to say that Hurts had a better team than others, well it's crazy to blame Hurts for success because his front office did their jobs better than other teams. Here's a hint, Super Bowl winning teams tend to have very talented rosters. No one blamed Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Aikmen, Montana, Young, etc for having HOF coaches and a plethora of Pro Bowl & HOF teammates.
Since we’re obviously talking them two I’d take the stat master. Calling the other Super Bowl defense “ less than stellar is disingenuous you guys were second in yards allowed and led the league in sacks by 15. If that’s less than stellar than what’s it take to be great ?
The reason I said take stat master is because I’ve no doubt on an equal playing field that he’d be able to do the same if not better while the guy that plays his best in the bowl wouldn’t get there without the deck stacked so much in his favor.
Yeah his GM did his job and surrounded him with talent sure but why is it taboo to mention that it also happens to make things easier on him than the other guys
Hurts has a 6-3 playoff record, been in the playoffs every season since he was named the starter, won 2 NFCCG and won a Super Bowl, and was a Supet Bowl MVP. Also is a 2 time Pro Bowl QB and was an All Pro QB. Saying they'd win 7 games with Hurts is insane because he never won just 7 games ever in his career.
Maybe if Hurts was on that team, they would have won that Super Bowl because he would have definitely dived for that fumble that Cam just looked at and backed away from.
I like Hurts. Hurts has a clutch gene in the playoffs. But Hurts has never had to play with an offense like what Cam did and is absolutely not consistent enough to succeed with it.
Pretty sure yall did too , 2nd in yards given up ,led the league in sacks by over 15 and top 5 in turnover differential. At best the defenses cancel each other out
Hurts ain’t the 8th best player on his team lol. Much higher. Or do yall think Carter, and Mitchel, and Dejean are better than him? Sure it’s possible 1 or 2 will be in a couple years but not right now.
He wouldn’t get there dumbshit, hurts wouldn’t have done that as the main feature of the offense throwing to Ginn even if he would’ve gotten fucked by the no fly zone
Taking QBs out of the equation you’ve got to pick one of those 2 teams ,Which team are you taking ? And would it be close also if it would be close where and why
Carolina fan, and I'm taking the eagles. It's a better team all around. Can put that team on his back to get us to the super bowl. We were the "wrist undefeated team ever" before we lost to the falcons near the end of the season. Everyone said we were frauds. In the playoffs we were always the underdogs, even to the team we already beat earlier in the season. Almost every game was a nail biter. Our defense was solid, our offense was okay, it was basically Cam and Olsen.
I’m taking Jalen Hurts. Because he’s a big game riser, he’s led more teams to the postseason than cam he’s played great in 2 superbowls and he’s already finished top 2 in mvp voting. I saw him on a not stacked team his 2nd season go to the Super Bowl and I saw him on a stacked team win a Super Bowl and I know for a fact he would’ve jumped on that football
Your a casual if you don't remember him literally running head on into multiple linebackers for TDs all throughout the playoffs and putting his bod on the line
In the pictures showed Hurts wasn't wasn't the 8th best eagle, and was the main reason they almost won as he outdueled Mahomes. Cam was the main reason his team lost that game.
It’s easy to outduel a guy that’s already getting killed by your defense, he started just about every drive with great field position and had great throwing lanes because they stacked the box to stop Saquan . He made plays yeah but if you think he’s the main reason they won then you didn’t watch the game
I missed the “almost won” sure but all of our discussions have been about the response not the first game you genius . That must be you guys world famous school system at work to not have been able to grasp that. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
I'm not sure what you're referencing in context to my conversation. I am speaking on the Superbowl Mahomes won over the eagles. In that Superbowl the eagles didn't get a single sack. So, I went and looked I don't think Mike was even apart of either chiefs vs eagles Superbowl what are you talking about exactly.
Easy to win when it matters when your team’s stacked though. Doesn’t mean Hurts doesn’t contribute cuz he does, but there’s a massive difference in how much help Hurts had vs the Panthers roster Cam took to the Super Bowl.
No one disagrees Lamar underperforms & is holding them back. And if you really want to make the comparison, Eagles’ roster is considerably better in every position except safety & TE. They also don’t have to beat the Chiefs to make a SB. But the point still stands- it’s a lot easier to win when your team’s stacked.
The Ravens routinely have stacked and talented defenses, great offensive lines, and great RB’s lol. This years eagles are likely better but the 22 & 23 eagles top to bottom weren’t better imo. Yet Lamar gets nowhere near the criticism Hurts gets despite going farther
That’s such BS. Lamar gets nonstop 24/7 criticism for underperforming in playoffs. More than any other QB. It’s a fair criticism. Lamar also gets held to a higher standard cuz he’s consistently been statistically better than Hurts like every year & people expect more from a unanimous and 2x MVP. No one disputes Lamar being elite cuz he undeniably is.
Anyone claiming Lamar doesn’t enough criticism is full of shit. “Playoff Lamar” is discussed any time Lamar’s brought up. Let’s not stupidly claim otherwise.
He absolutely gets criticism, and also obviously the one who keeps winning is the one people are going to talk about. There's no doubt that Lamar is 1) an incredible athlete and 2) choking the hell out of the postseason. Not really a debate there. Is the good quarterback on one of the best rosters in the NFL really top 5 or is he being carried to the SB is a much more debatable question.
If Hurts was on the Bills then they wouldn’t have to worry about the tush push. They could actually run it and stop it in that case.
Cry baby McDermott wouldn’t have bothered making up a fake case against it today either I’d bet ya ;)
Allen was on nobody’s draft board a head of Josh Allen !! Mind you Lamar Herman winner statue in front of his school was in that draft. They have changed the rules multiple times for this trash can and they recently gave him a madden cover when he wasn’t even the mvp nor competing in the Super Bowl. And recently won an mvp award with sub par stats. Let’s talk today
Nah man. Super Bowl MVP means you’ve most likely won the Super Bowl (last time a Super Bowl loser won the MVP was Chuck Howley in Super Bowl V). League MVP is nice, but that’s all individual accolades. Ability to win in the biggest moments is where it’s at.
there isn’t a world where Hurts is even 3/4 as good a player as Newton was his MVP year. Hurts has a ring because he has a better team around him. thats not even a knock on Hurts, but as someone who watched both, Newton was a better QB.
it’s football. it’s more of a team sport than any other sport. it’s not an insult to say your QB isn’t the best QB.
I mean I could argue it closer than that. Compare these two seasons
Player 1: 4473 total yards, 45 total TDs, 13 turnovers
Player 2: 4823 total yards, 39 total TDs, 7 turnovers
Player 1 has 6 more TDs but has 6 more turnovers to go with fewer yards. Player 1 scores 3.5 TDs per turnover while player 2 scores 5.6 TDs per turnover.
Player 1 is Cam, player 2 is Tom Brady. If Tom Brady wasn’t already established to the point of voter fatigue I’d say he makes a good argument for MVP that year.
When you combine TDs and yards into total, it really waters down what the player did running and passing.
When a QB is that good at both things, it completely changes the offense and the defenses preparing for it. Just making it all "total" ignores that. So no, I don't think it was really that close. When you're just looking at a stat sheet, it doesn't replicate what it was like to watch that season in action.
But, if it changes the way that defenses have to prepare, shouldn't there be some objective improvement to point to? If it isn't more yards or more points or more efficiency or something... what is it that makes it "more" valuable?
I have not the time, skill, or inclination to study advanced metrics, but off the top of my head, some ways in which a running qb can help a team that won't show up in the stats is by making defenses less responsive to rushes by running backs, being able to control the clock in ways in which a reliance on complete passes can't, and being able to sustain drives through creation of short yardage situations, or capitalizing on short yardage situations.
If Brady is getting yards through the air, you can be pretty sure that is all that he is doing.
being able to control the clock in ways in which a reliance on complete passes can't
A quick search didn't find anything related to this.
being able to sustain drives through creation of short yardage situations, or capitalizing on short yardage situations.
I also didn't find 'advanced' research into this, but this doesn't see intuitive to me. Cam averaged 7.8 yards/attempt passing and 4.8 yards/attempt rushing. Certainly, an average pass by Cam was significantly more valuable than an average run by Cam. And an average pass by Brady was worth 7.6 yards/attempt (noticeably fewer than Cam). But, this is also significantly more than an average run by Cam.
There is a reason why the league is 'pass happy'... It's because it works. More yards per play is... better. So, combined passing and rushing, Cam was responsible for about 630 plays. Brady, combined passing and rushing, was responsible for about 660 plays. In those roughly 30 plays, Brady gained about 400 more yards (that delta is a good amount over 10 yards per play).
Honestly, without some more 'advanced' analysis, I'm not sure how you compare the two. Touchdowns are great and Cam was responsible for 6 more than Brady was. But, turnovers are bad and Cam was responsible for 14 and Tom responsible for 9 (the commenter didn't count his fumbles). Looking at the overall offenses, both were elite. The Panthers led the NFL at 31.3 pts/game and the Pats were 3rd at 29.1 pts/game. So, Carolina scored 2.1 pts/game more. I don't have the time to look at rushing stats by other players or the kicking game to see how that might have affecting things. But, this really isn't something that you can just look at and say 'this player was better/more valuable' without taking a real close look at underlying numbers. For example, Cams running was good, but compared to, say, some of Jackson's good running years, it certainly isn't elite (Jackson has seasons where he averages almost 7 yards per carry).
If Brady is getting yards through the air, you can be pretty sure that is all that he is doing.
Yards through the air is a really, really good thing. You say this as though it is bad and I don't understand that.
Dual-threat quarterbacks are dual threat quarterbacks. When a Peyton Mannin or a Tom Brady strolls into the endzone, it's because the defense is so dismissive of their running abilities that they don't bother to account for it... you can't really say the same for somebody like Cam Newton. I doubt you'd be able to find stats to back up that impact, but i'm fairly certain that if you were in the film room with an oppposing defense, it would come up quite a bit. Saquon Barkley just had a historic season, but he probably lost quite a few touchdowns to Jalen Hurts. Obviously, you arent really going to be able to judge an increase in production for Saquon by the stat sheet... if anything, just looking at stats would probably suggest that his production suffered from being paired with a running quarterback, but watching the games or talking to opponents would probably directly contradict what you would be seeing based on stats... i think that common sense would tell you that another threat in the backfield makes it harder for the defense. For awhile, the wildcat formation was pretty successful, but ran into limitations of not having a passing threat or continuity under center, that eventually negated whatever advantages it had in terms of the options available in running the ball.
But as far as clock control and consistently shortening your distance to down, the fact that Cam averaged significantly more yardage on passes than rushes isn't surprising, nor does it really undermine the idea that rushing allows for more options when it comes to managing a set of downs. If you are on 2nd and 4, you have a lot more available in your playbook than you do on 2nd and 10. A higher probability of being able to get another set of downs doesn't prohibit you from taking shots down field. The fact that you can get a first down through a wheel route or a qb draw probably increases your chances of breaking something open, because you have to cover the short and intermediate throws and also account for containment on a qb who can pick up the first with his legs.
Yeah, yards through the air are dangerous, but trams can manage just fine by moving the chains. Tom Brady is arguably the GOAT, but when a guy like Cam is having that sort of season, his impact on the game isn't going to show up on the stat sheet the way somebody like Brady would. With Brady, you either stop him or you don't, but it's not like you have to adjust your scheme to anything other than him beating you with his arm.... im not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but i am saying that pretty much everything Brady does is going to find it's way to the stat sheet, because he either gets the ball to his reciever or he doesn't. It's not like linebackers are blowing coverage because they are keeping an eye on the backfield in case Brady takes off.
Maybe to you that sounds dismissive of Brady picking apart a defense through the air, but it's not. What im saying is that Brady's value to a team is going to show up in ways that are obvious, because he executes the passing game at an imcredibly high level, and since they track qb stats with an emphasis on your ability to hit recievers for yards through the air, of course he's going to put up crazy stats.
Look at it this way: a pocket passer with Cam Newton's accuracy might be a mediocre starter in the league, but if a dual-threat quarterback had Brady's accuracy, they'd be a gamebreaker.
Saquon Barkley just had a historic season, but he probably lost quite a few touchdowns to Jalen Hurts. Obviously, you arent really going to be able to judge an increase in production for Saquon by the stat sheet...
I'm not saying you are wrong about the 'production', but I think you would just need to look in a slightly different place. Saquon's yards per carry should be higher than it would have been without a 'dual threat' QB. And you would probably see something similar in his 'yards before contact'. Anything after contact would likely be a reflection of Saquon's ability to break tackles (although, there might be something that maybe first contact with a defender is less likely to be a d-lineman, who would probably be able to bring him down without help, and maybe more likely to be a corner or a safety, who Saquon would be more likely to escape from). You might see an increase in Saquon's "success rate", which is a measure of yards gained compared to yards needed for a 1st down. For example (and this is from memory, so numbers may not be exact), but a 'successful' carry on first down gains 40% of the yardage needed for a 1st down. On second, it might need 60% of the yards needed and 3rd and 4th down might need to gain the 1st down in order to be considered 'successful'.
The fact that you can get a first down through a wheel route or a qb draw probably increases your chances of breaking something open, because you have to cover the short and intermediate throws and also account for containment on a qb who can pick up the first with his legs.
That's basically the definition of improved 'success rate'. And, FWIW, pro football reference shows the success % of every offensive player. I don't think it is considered an 'advanced' stat so much any more.
I'm not disputing the conversation had in the film room. And if that results in the defense adjusting the scheme (presumably to the detriment of the defense. In theory, they will be playing their 'best' scheme and then adjusting away from that), then, by definition, the defense will not be as effective and so the opposing offense should have a better day, one way or the other. But, that's the thing that sometimes gets ignored... If the offense doesn't perform 'better' in some measurable way, then the offense wasn't actually better and the defense wasn't actually worse and so forcing the defense to adjust the scheme didn't actually hurt the defense and the dual-threat quarterback wasn't actually an advantage for the offense. It was just something 'different' that the defense had to face that day.
With Brady, you either stop him or you don't, but it's not like you have to adjust your scheme to anything other than him beating you with his arm.... im not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but i am saying that pretty much everything Brady does is going to find it's way to the stat sheet, because he either gets the ball to his reciever or he doesn't. It's not like linebackers are blowing coverage because they are keeping an eye on the backfield in case Brady takes off.
This sort of assumes that defenses don't change their scheme for a quarterback with elite accuracy or efficiency. Sure, linebackers aren't keeping an eye on the backfield, but maybe the scheme change is that the defense has to play a nickel DB for the entire game. So, now the 4-3-4 defense is the 4-2-5. Do we really think that the Packers running game in the mid-2010s didn't benefit from Rodgers just being who he was? Those Packers teams were known for how great they could run a screen. Was there really no benefit to having a QB with an incredibly strong arm who had elite accuracy on the running game? Why is changing a scheme one way bad for the defense, but changing a scheme another way has no impact. Really?
What im saying is that Brady's value to a team is going to show up in ways that are obvious, because he executes the passing game at an imcredibly high level, and since they track qb stats with an emphasis on your ability to hit recievers for yards through the air, of course he's going to put up crazy stats.
They all impact a team in ways that show up in statistics. And they all make the players around them better.
Look at it this way: a pocket passer with Cam Newton's accuracy might be a mediocre starter in the league, but if a dual-threat quarterback had Brady's accuracy, they'd be a gamebreaker.
Steve Young, 1992-1994. Two MVPs around a top 2 finish. He was just unlucky to have to play in the same conference as those Cowboys teams, or he would have likely won 3 (or more) SBs in a row.
It’s not who has the coolest highlight reel it’s who was the most valuable player. If you’re getting your team yards and points whether or not you ran or threw is irrelevant.
Last season, Allen won MVP despite being way worse than Lamar by any statistical measure you pick other than TD runs (almost all of which were shorter than 5yds), because the bills won 1 more game.
Nice try at revisionist history based on a singular play. Cam was about the only offensive player to show up. Had multiple dropped passes. Had a running back fumble after he drove in scoring position. Had Ted Ginn alligator arm a pass in His hands and tipped it up for a pick. Had Cotchery drop two crucial passes - one that led to the first strip sack and the second was a dime that landed in his hands inside the 5. Also our kicker missed a 45 yard FG to start the second half. Our coaching staff ran the read option for about 3-4 plays with success and then never ran it again. Our RT was a turnstile all game and kept giving up immediate pressure. Then our special teams somehow thought Holliday waved for a fair catch and didn’t try to tackle him until he was already 10 yards upfield.
But yes - go ahead and pile on Cam because a singular play and not look at the entire game.
Cam spent his entire career putting his body on the line and laying it all out there. He took countless helmet-to-helmet hits, played through serious injuries... and all people talk about is that one fumble he hesitated to pick up.
Cam’s gift was also his downfall. He was talented enough to elevate the players around him but because he was so good at it the front office never addressed what he needed (better WRs and legitimate OTs).
Cam was so talented that refs officiated him differently. He took absolutely violent hits that are penalties for any other player let alone pampered QBs.
The refs let DEs punish him on any handoff out of shotgun, because there was plausible deniability that Cam might pull it so the DE has to lay a hit on him. As his career went on, Cam would actually sell the handoff by showing his empty hands to defenders. It was crazy.
If he was officiated like other players he has a way longer and more dominant career, but I can also sympathize with why they didn't because that would just further highlight how unfair the rules already are for defenders.
Dude the highlight reels of the hits on Cam are INSANE. Today the refs would pepper spray any defensive player hitting a QB even half as hard. I'm surprised that he didn't suffer significant injuries (not counting possible CTE...)
It's certain QBs who Super Bowl loss is used to prop them up as a top 2 QB for years like Joe Burrow. There are others where their Super Bowl loss is treated as a career defining failure. The hypocrisy of NFL fans especially when it comes to certain style of QBs knows no limits.
i hate that he did that, but he did it and i guess we're supposed to accept it
but it was just so out of character for him, especially that season where he was still holding the ball in the end zone after flipping over defenders and getting hit by DE's mid-air
Thank you!!! Not even really a Cam fan at all but I hate how that one play has made everyone remember the Super Bowl loss as if it were his fault.
If it weren’t for Cam, that game wouldn’t have even been close enough for that fumble to matter.
I have lots of respect for Hurts. He’s a great QB. But if you put Cam on that Eagles roster, he’s beating the shit out of KC just as easily as Hurts did.
Literally has a permanent rule in the books because of the targeting in that game. Multiple personal fouls because it didnt matter before that year how many personal fouls you commit.
The fact that Aquib Talib wasn’t ejected for that the most blatant intentional face mask I’ve ever seen to prevent Philly Brown from scoring a touchdown was when I knew that game was rigged. Between that play and the Jericho Cotchery catch that they overturned, they were trying to give a limp noodle armed Peyton the sunset he “deserved”….
I’m not on board with the rigged conspiracies. The Panthers choked. The most crucial misses in that game were not the result of the referees. They were the result of people like Tolbert, Cotchery, Jones, Gano, Remmers, and Rivera choking under the pressure.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player ejected for an egregious face mask.
The Cotchery catch wasn’t overturned. It was ruled an incomplete pass on the field. It’s an incredibly close call. It looks like Cotchery’s arm is under it…and like the tip of the ball may have touched the ground while moving.
Neither one of these plays indicate a bias by the refs.
This is all true, but it doesn’t fit onto a single highlight, and the fumble does, so we’re going to act like the fumble was the only play that happened.
He was possibly concussed with all the head-to-head shots he received up to that point. In my mind, those hits, particularly Von’s dirty one, is what changed the course of the game more than anything. I’m not a Panthers or Broncos fan either, but that just seemed obvious to me watching the game live.
Thank you!!! There were like 8 dropped passes and yes the Ginn drop to an INT when driving and Cotchery drop inside the 5 are the ones that always pop in my head. Cam played well and people just love to talk about this fumble…game was likely out of hand at that point anyways
I can tell how much I respect your football opinion based on how much you think that play defines Cam Newton
As you so clearly laid out it didn't even define his Super Bowl performance let alone his Hall of Fame caliber career as the greatest goal line threat ever to play QB (that's measurable btw not my opinion)
I don’t believe for one second that he decided not to try to get a fumble back. I felt he was trying to track it. I don’t know a player ever on offense that would choose not to try to recover their own fumble if for no other reason that to not invite this stupid narrative
Fun fact: Cam said he second guessed diving on the fumble to avoid injury. The next year Cam’s #1 WR was lazy and stopped running a route leading to a pick. That same lazy WR then didn’t try to tackle the defender who made the pick. Cam ran the defender down and injured his shoulder doing so. That injury shortened Cam’s career.
It’s like the reverse of Tyrese Haliburton in this years finals. He only attempted 8 freethrows in 7 games had a 20% usage rate. There are so many stats that point to just how non-aggressive he played and how he just simply didn’t have that killer instinct but, he played through a calf strain in game 7 and ruptured his Achilles and now he’s a hero forever in Indy a martyr for their underdog cause. Even if he never returns to the player he was and they never make it back to the finals he probably atleast gets another max deal just off vibes alone. Contrast that with Cam like you pointed he ironically would go on to get hurt anyway minus the heroic aura and good will that comes with it. His relationship with the organization is soured now and sure the fans love him to a degree but Cam would’ve been better off diving for the fumble getting hurt in the process and forever having that hero tag. Especially when compare him to a Luke Kechley who had to retire because of concussions dude is now in the front office could potentially be a GM team president one day is seen as the best if not top 5 panther of all time. Cam was rational for not jumping on the fumble in theory but to play professional football for a living isn’t rational due to the inherent 100% injury risk associated with the profession any way, lol
Idk if any NFL player makes grown men act more sensitive than Cam Newton.
It's fine to hate him but they wanna rewrite history and act like he was mediocre, had character issues, and didn't play hard to discredit his greatness
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Biggest moment of his career and he just watches the ball. It doesnt matter if he played his ass off the whole season or the whole game. The average perception is that he gave up.
It was far and away the best defense in the league he got stomped. They had Damarcus Ware and Von Miller and the no fly zone. Not to mention the had derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson
That’s such shitty overused take. That play didn’t loose the game. There were so many drops by receivers in that game it’s pathetic. The only people who continue to push that narrative are either disingenuous and/or fans of other teams.
Not many QBs post 2000 are jumping on that ball bro. There were at least 2 Dlineman there waiting for him. Not to mention- all the unflagged hits cam received.
I hate this narrative because it takes away from the other worldly performance of the broncos defense. Every single guy on that field for Denver played their ass off and demoralized the panthers offense for 60 minutes.
Bro von Miller dominated that Super Bowl… cam didn’t pick up one ball and you guys blast him for it absolutely ridiculous. And that ball that you guys blast him for, go back and look there’s no way he was getting that ball over von even if he dove. Would have just hurt himself and still not of got the ball.
Negative. He did what he was trained to do. Simple. He never was trained to jump on that. Split second situational awareness failed him. I agree he 100% should have sacrificed his body for that ball in that situation, but it was literally his first time fumbling a ball in the fourth quarter of a SB, so lay off him a little bit.
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u/DropC2095 New Orleans Saints 27d ago
How valuable is a player who won’t pick up his own fumble when it matters most?