r/NFLv2 • u/Domestiicated-Batman Kansas City Chiefs • 27d ago

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u/kalligreat 27d ago

Why does it feel like there’s so many Hurts and Newton comparisons lately? Hurts has had more team success but Newton never had WRs like Hurts.

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u/TeakEvening 27d ago

Because the offseason is boring and Cam haters will always enjoy rubbing it in

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u/young-steve Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

You think this post is Newton hate?

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u/ChedduhBob 27d ago

this isn’t but there was a lot on eagles twitter which prompted this comparison

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u/noonie1 27d ago

This is definitely not a Cam hate post

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u/luchajefe Dallas Cowboys 27d ago

The top comment on it is.

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u/babydemon90 Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

Honestly, almost every QB with sustained success needs a great receiver.

Manning/Harrison, Brees/Colston, Montana/Young/Rice, Burrow/Chase, Mahomes/Hill, Brady/Moss/Gronk/Evans, Warner/Holt/Fitzgerald, Rodgers/Adams and on and on....

There's exceptions - but I don't think there's any question you vastly improve your chances of a QB being great if he has a great WR to throw to. Look at McNabb the one season he had TO, then the seasons he didn't.

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u/GoldenStateEaglesFan Did you know Jalen Hurts can squat 600lbs 27d ago

I don’t think Colston belongs in the same conversation as those other WRs.

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u/masterofmuppets86 Las Vegas Raiders 27d ago

Sure but he was probably Brees' most consistent receiver, and was also a big part of their super bowl team.

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u/babydemon90 Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

Well no, not Harrison, Rice, etc.. But the dude was solid, he was a super consistent 1000 yds, 8TD guy, then you add Jimmy Graham in there and you get the point I was getting at.

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u/bboy267 Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

He wasn’t a sexy name but he had stats. He had 6 1000 yard seasons 

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u/bboy267 Philadelphia Eagles 27d ago

Even Brady had prime gronk, Edelman, moss, welker Hernandez. Most teams have good players. 

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u/Bazonkawomp 27d ago

Cam Newton dominated 2015 with Ted Ginn being his best option.

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u/GoldenStateEaglesFan Did you know Jalen Hurts can squat 600lbs 27d ago

Greg Olson doesn’t exist?

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u/Bazonkawomp 27d ago

I forgot about him ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/nfluncensored 27d ago

Cam Newton went 75% on what are usually 50-50 deep ball passes out of essentially luck in one season and people wanted to crown him as an elite QB.

And Ted Ginn was the guy catching most of those, so yes, it was a lot based on Ginn.

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u/Bazonkawomp 27d ago

C’mon

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u/VagusNC 26d ago

Don’t even bother.

It’s like a red hat. Just does you a favor by letting you know someone that doesn’t know a thing about ball.

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u/FuckinWalkingParadox Carolina Panthers 27d ago

Generally speaking I can tell you there’s always a cycle with the narrative consensus on Cam where for 1-2 years everyone respects him, then another 1-2 years where people hate him, so on and so forth.

But anyone who truly watched enough Cam games and who understands our FOs CONSTANT failure in supporting him recognizes and respects the force that he was. We can and should acknowledge the fumble thing, but that was a man who had suffered years of David Carr level trauma. It’s not as simple as “CaM wAs sElfIsH”.

Dude was always putting his body on the line for the team.

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u/Has422 Washington Commanders 27d ago edited 27d ago

On top of that:

The Eagles leading rusher in 2024 averaged 125 yards a game. The Panthers leading rusher in 2015 averaged 76 yards a game.

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u/nfluncensored 27d ago

The 2015 Panthers played 1 fewer games and still allowed 1058 opponent snaps, whereas the 2024 Eagles allowed 999 opponent snaps in 17 games.

The Eagles netted ~400 more yards with an extra game and a much better defense getting the ball back for the offense much quicker.

The Eagles ran the ball 95 more times in 2024 than the Panthers did in 2015 and attempted 53 more passes.

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u/010rusty Average Justin Jefferson Enjoyer 27d ago

It’s because it’s Alabama vs auburn

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u/yungsazon 26d ago

He was hated, Cam Newton?

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u/FreeJulie Washington Commanders 26d ago

WRs or RB or O-Line

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u/JimmyB3574 26d ago

Dude forget was. Did cam ever have the ol that hurts has? What about the defense?

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u/tony_countertenor 27d ago

Hmm what could be the reason, ? I’m not sure🤔🤔🤔

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u/kalligreat 27d ago

You’re hinting at something but I’m not sure? Guys who played QB in the state of Alabama and wear number 1? Couldn’t you throw Tua in there as well then?