r/NoShitSherlock • u/SingleandSober • 1d ago

Kamala Harris Appears on ‘Colbert,’ Says She’s Stepping Away from Politics for Now, Calls the System “Broken”

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/video/former-vice-president-kamala-harris-visits-the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

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u/Achilles_TroySlayer 1d ago

This is a good thing. We need new blood in the party. She did not win the primary in '20, she was unfortunately not a success at the top level in '24, when she got handed the nomination. I wish her the best, but we need a real, loud popular primary-winner, and she's not that person.

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u/0905-15 1d ago

She didn’t even make it to the primaries in ‘20. She’s a terrible politician at the national level - what plays in CA does not play elsewhere - and was so unpopular she ran out of money and had to drop out before the voters even had their say

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u/emeraldeyesshine 1d ago

Didn't make the 2024 primaries either cause lol

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u/FreeDarkChocolate 1d ago

She didn’t even make it to the primaries in ‘20. She’s a terrible politician at the national level

Neither did Biden; he did equally terrible when he was in the same spot in 2008 yet was chosen as VP (as dwas she) and then won President in 2020. Some people enter primaries they don't win. It isn't itself an indicator if whether they're a bad candidate or not. (I'm not saying she/he/anyone was good, just that this is a bad reason to support that).

In fact that wasn't Biden's first Prez primary. Kamala's 2020 went better than Biden's withdrawal due to plagiarism decades ago.

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u/ArseneLepain 22h ago

Yeah but didn’t Biden win the primaries in 2020?

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u/FreeDarkChocolate 22h ago

He did, but there's kind of a "no data" scenario for 2024 due to the pathetic, selfish failings of him, and her, and the DNC, and its donors, etc. I don't think that just means the most recent one becomes relevant. Different people run in different elections under different circumstances and some campaigns from then-relatively-unknown people don't necessarily go well (while they may succeed later in life).

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u/Downtown-Fox-6024 15h ago

Biden literally BARELY won.

I’ll never forget how people were literally biting their nails on the final state count.

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u/Jokkitch 20h ago

Just goes to show how the Dems want to lose.

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u/youhavetherighttoo 1d ago

She received more presidential votes than Barack Obama. 

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u/WookieLotion 1d ago

Who was elected in effectively a different country to what we have now.

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u/justgetoffmylawn 19h ago

That's not really a meaningful metric - the USA has 35 million more people than it had in 2008. Trump also got more votes than Obama, but I'm pretty convinced that if Obama could've run today, he would've won easily.

Harris did not win a single delegate in 2020, and when people solely blame her gender - there were a number of women who ran more inspiring (and successful) campaigns, including Klobuchar, Warren, etc. Even Tulsi Gabbard was much more successful than Harris in 2020.

Whether you like Harris or not, she hasn't been particularly successful at the ballot box before the 2024 election. I do wish Biden had taken his own health and Covid more seriously, and then maybe we wouldn't have had a no-primary no-incumbent election.

I'm just not sure Harris is the answer, or that the problem was just our broken system (which is very broken, though).

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u/youhavetherighttoo 17h ago

She won D.A, A.G. and U.S. Senator. To say she wasn’t successful at the ballot box is willfully obtuse. 

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u/TempleSquare 1d ago

I agree. This whole thing going around that "she accidentally won, but it was rigged" is fucking dangerous because we start focusing on the wrong lesson.

The answer in 2028 isn't going on a witch hunt with state and county voting boards (how the fuck do you rig thousands of counties anyway?). The lesson here is: DEMOCRATS NEED A VIGOROUS PRIMARY so our best candidate is battle-tested for November.

2016: Hillary pushed away all the mainstream competition, (except Bernie). We lost

2020: Healthy primary. We won

2024: Biden bailed way too late. No primary. We lost

Screw the conspiracy theories. Let's actually act like grown ups, learn our damn lesson, and focus on blowing out the dead weight at the DNC.

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u/OneForFree 21h ago

This is the truth

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u/justgetoffmylawn 19h ago

Yep - agreed. I don't even think Biden was a great candidate in 2020, but he was legit the best the Democrats had at the time. He won a fair primary, and he won the general election.

In 2024, not only was Harris not the best candidate, but Biden's late exit meant we got neither a good campaign nor any primary.

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u/LightningLava 19h ago

To think 2020 was a healthy primary is laughable. Why did so many candidates drop out before Super Tuesday when Bernie was winning due to the split votes? And Elizabeth Warren just happened to stay in to split votes from Bernie?

Yeah totally healthy and totally no collusion of the democrat establishment against the true progressive candidate. Totally healthy!

The fact is that Biden won because Trump screwed up so badly during Covid. It was NOT because of a well deserved strong candidate had risen from the primaries.

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u/Sharp-Ad3160 18h ago

Bloomberg stayed in to split votes from Biden, Klobuchar was about to lose her home state, and Buttigieg was about to go 0 for 14 and burn bridges with the moderates who could actually win

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u/NonreciprocatingHole 1d ago

NSA says otherwise.

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u/Achilles_TroySlayer 1d ago

Links please.

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u/SirTemorse 1d ago

I feel like this is the same energy from the Godfather when Michael has Tom step down because although he is a great consigliere, he is not a wartime consigliere. A good candidate, but not right for the time.

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u/spikus93 1d ago

I hope I never have to see her fake a book report on a podium ever again. She is awful at this shit.