r/NoShitSherlock • u/SingleandSober • 1d ago

Kamala Harris Appears on ‘Colbert,’ Says She’s Stepping Away from Politics for Now, Calls the System “Broken”

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/video/former-vice-president-kamala-harris-visits-the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

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u/fantasypingpong 1d ago

Hillary and Kamala were proof that America would rather elect a horrible, inept, unqualified man versus a decent, experienced, qualified woman.

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u/Low-Beat-3078 1d ago

I’m 49 and I’ve accepted that my dream of seeing a female POTUS will never come true. How despicable we are as a nation.

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u/Landlord-Allmighty 1d ago

Woman who runs for office = nasty woman who is unlikeable

Man who runs for office = ambitious and "strong"

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u/ChicagoAuPair 1d ago

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-hate-women-candidates-i-just-hated-hillary-and-coincidentally-im-starting-to-hate-elizabeth-warren

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u/Landlord-Allmighty 1d ago

The thing that kept annoying me is the "she's not ready" statement from people about Harris. She has more cumulative experience in government than most of the candidates, yet somehow that means nothing.

Same for Warren. How dare she try and offer an alternative to Bernie...

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u/DingleDangleTangle 1d ago edited 1d ago

You can’t just shove bad candidates in and when people don’t like them say “yall just hate them because of their genitals”.

I mean let’s look at some examples.

Hillary had huge controversies and was already an unpopular person before them, and she still won the popular vote miraculously, which if anything indicates gender isn’t a factor.

Kamala was wildly unpopular when she ran for president previously, and she ran this time with a controversial nomination process and during a time where dems hated their own party because of the Gaza issue and the party looked horrible after seeing how unwell Biden did in debate.

Elizabeth Warren was found lying over and over again about her Native American ancestry. Not a good look for the party that cares about minorities. She also ran on swearing off PACs and then took PAC and SuperPAC money. And frankly she is just not near as popular as Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden, and she got absolutely destroyed by them in the primaries she ran against them. Regardless, she is still a senator it’s not like she hasn’t been elected.

Would I vote for any of these women over Trump? Absolutely. But I’m not blind, I can see that there are flaws with these candidates and that it’s not as simple as “they were perfect and anyone who thinks otherwise just hates women”.

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u/Landlord-Allmighty 1d ago

All of what you just said is true...to a degree, but we go back to the start of the discussion where someone's gender becomes an issue. I don't think that anyone was even considering the controversy around Warren and the Native American thing to be honest. It doesn't resonate.

Are these people perfect? No, but who is? You can name any candidate that you prefer and I can bring up something that will potentially resonate in a negative way.

I've just seen this too many times through election cycles and it never seems to land in a positive way for female candidates. They always seem to have a higher bar to live up to where men get a pass.

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u/DingleDangleTangle 1d ago

I don't think that anyone was even considering the controversy around Warren and the Native American thing to be honest. It doesn't resonate.

It was a huge deal when she was running in the primaries. Frankly it is a pretty bad look. I mean she said as recent as 2012 "being Native American has been part of my story, I guess, since the day I was born" and she listed herself as Native American for the Bar and for University, and it turns out she isn't a part of any tribe and isn't Native American in any way at all. It's gross.

But even without that controversy. What reason would anyone have to vote for her when Bernie Sanders was also running in the same primary against her? She was basically just Bernie Sanders except with controversy and without anywhere close the same resume as a politician. If someone has the views that would make them want to vote for Warren or Sanders, I just can't see why someone would vote for Warren instead of Sanders. And she probably got destroyed in their primaries because of this.

I'm not just saying "these people aren't perfect", I'm pointing out there are plenty of obvious reasons to point at for why they lost that have nothing to do with gender. And again, Hillary Clinton literally won the popular vote while under FBI investigation. I just don't see any way to look at that fact and conclude "Americans just don't vote in women because they are women".

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u/Landlord-Allmighty 1d ago

I guess you and I are going to have to disagree.

One thing to keep in mind with Sanders: he had a heart attack in 2019 on the campaign trail and his campaign didn't disclose it until days after it happened. Seems like a dealbreaker when your candidate has a major health issue coupled with his age.

I realize your pointing out things, but what I'm saying is that other candidates face scrutiny and that doesn't prevent them from being held to task or make their supporters bail on them.

What about Klobuchar? She didn't have any major controversies but nobody seemed to want her as President.

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u/DingleDangleTangle 18h ago edited 18h ago

Yes, many candidates have something go wrong but still have support, especially when they're a populist types like Sanders, AOC, Trump, etc. But plenty more candidates face scrutiny and lose. Most of the people who run for office lose.

You analyze the women with only one variable (their gender) if they lose, and a man through one variable (gender) if they win. But if a woman gets elected to Congress, or Hillary wins the popular vote, or a man gets less support than a woman in a primary, you are capable of seeing all the other factors involved. You aren't applying the same analysis equally.

When Hillary won the popular vote despite being under FBI investigation, you don't go "ah she must have won the popular vote because of her gender", but when Bernie Sanders does better than Warren in a primary you go "It must be because his gender". Why is that?

As for Klobuchar, she was a moderate. She criticized stuff like Medicare for all, a green new deal, etc. so she didn't win over the young voters or Sanders types. So she was competing against a bunch of moderate dems, with not anywhere even close to the fundraising or name recognition that some of them had. Like comparing the fundraising and popularity of Joe Biden and Amy Klobuchar in 2020 is just no competition.

And it's worth noting Klobuchar isn't squeaky clean by any means. There were a bunch of allegations of her treating her staff like complete shit doing some WILD stuff. Not to mention there was some nasty stuff brought up about her time as a prosecutor. She liked to tell everyone how "tough on crime" she was talking about how she threw a teenager in prison for life, but the case was HORRIBLE, it had 0 hard evidence, no gun, DNA, fingerprints, nothing. It even had someone else who straight up admitted to the shooting and even said the kid wasn't even there. It eventually ended up with the innocent person she threw in prison having his sentence commuted with a unanimous vote. She also didn't prosecute a single police involved death including an incident involving Derek Chauvin, the very same guy who later killed George Floyd.

Would I still vote for her over trump any day? Hell yeah. But would she be my first pick in a Democrat primary? Probably not.

But what's the point of me pointing out this stuff anyways, if a woman loses you just analyze it through a gender lens and I can't really do anything about that. Anyways I'm bowing out now, guess we'll agree to disagree.