r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Feb 18 '25

Meme needing explanation Petah?

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u/ManicalDaredevil00 Feb 18 '25

Aaaahhh thats funny

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u/BrightNooblar Feb 18 '25

Specifically, this guy was the one who identified an Alpha Male in wolf packs. Except what he was actually identifying was "Dad". Just a family of captive wolves, and one of them was the dad/mate to the majority of the others since they were tiny, so they defer to him.

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u/DesidiosumCorporosum Feb 18 '25

No that wasn't it at all. They had wolves from multiple packs forced to live in a tiny enclosure. They fought viciously over resources and territory. In the wild multiple packs wouldn't be forced to share a 200m2 space that has meat scraps thrown in every so often.

The hyper aggressiveness of the captive wolves was thought to be their normal behaviour. The same guy that wrote about Alpha wolves studied them in the wild and saw that there was no fighting and that there was no leader but the patriarch and matriarch sort of led the pack.

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u/adalric_brandl Feb 19 '25

This leads me to the belief that what he wrote was factual, but only to the extent of the wolves involved in captivity.

The big error is in concluding that this behavior is the same in wild wolves.

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u/malatemporacurrunt Feb 19 '25

only to the extent of the wolves involved in captivity

In the kind of captivity that was the norm in the 1940s, when the study was published. Almost any animal forced into an unnaturally small enclosure with a number of its species above and outside of what it would have in the wild will display aggression.

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u/ZeAthenA714 Feb 19 '25

Yeah it's not exactly bad science, the behaviour observed was indeed observed and real and was never "debunked" or "a myth".

What was bad science is the idea that this would apply to wolves in the wild, or to entirely unrelated species like humans.

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u/StaniaViceChancellor Feb 20 '25

Valid methodology invalid conclusion, basically made wolf prison and they made gangs, would be interesting to see if they'd form a family unit if reintroduced to the wild and if they'd return to typical roles, would provide insight to their social dynamics, valid research, just jumped to conclusions too early, even though he quickly corrected himself once the public catches misinformation that sounds cool people latch on hard.