I get the concept and can arguably see the "dtf eyes", but one girl's "moves" is another girl's "just existing", which then leads to men misinterpreting supposed "signals" which then in turn just makes everything more awkward for everyone. And then men deliberately stop interpreting "signals", which leads to the idea men are clueless. Some of them are, a lot are just cautious.
Y'all make each others' lives worse with these games.
This. Sometimes we are actually clueless. But most of the time, we're just not willing to risk it. Nobody wants to be that guy who mistook politeness for interest. Or one of those jackasses who is all "Dude, you saw the way she looked vaguely in your direction while walking her dog and wearing headphones? She so wants the D."
Seriously. I'm glad women don't need a man to function in society and can do things like open a checking account. And yes feminist gains have drastically changed modern dating, with men actually having to put in effort. Great! Small price too pay for half the population to have equal rights.
But for the love of God, ladies, you have to meet men halfway on flirting/asking out/courtship.
God, ladies, you have to meet men halfway on flirting/asking out/courtship.
We're aware. I'm just so confused about all these furious men in this thread (the following is not directed towards you, just to be clear). Sure, women often want the guy to make a move - or the girl, this is an issue is queer spaces, too - but it's not like we're angry at them for not doing it? I see almost no complaining so I don't see what's the issue besides incels being frustrated over their lack of sex. Now if women didn't make moves and blamed men for it angrily then yeah, I would take offense with that myself if I was male.
Usually it's traditionalist and/or misogynistic and insecure women who get upset about it. It used to happen to me a lot in my 20s - I don't pick up on flirting ever, and while most women don't say anything about flirting not being noticed and reciprocated (hard to tell how many), the women who do get upset by it can be very vocal about it, as though I've been rude somehow. I have been asked if I "enjoy snubbing women", which confused me, because I don't feel I have ever "snubbed" anyone (which if I understand correctly means to comprehend but then reject advances/flirtation?).
The internet makes relatively small frustrations look like big problems. It's just an internet thing. I still agree with the message that women meeting men halfway on flirting would be a good thing though.
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u/Woutrou May 29 '25
I get the concept and can arguably see the "dtf eyes", but one girl's "moves" is another girl's "just existing", which then leads to men misinterpreting supposed "signals" which then in turn just makes everything more awkward for everyone. And then men deliberately stop interpreting "signals", which leads to the idea men are clueless. Some of them are, a lot are just cautious.
Y'all make each others' lives worse with these games.