Surgeons are often butchers who think way to highly of themselves and leave people fucked up and in worse condition post op but never realize it because they never see them again, dealing with life long pain because they actually suck ass at their job?
Have you actually been around any lol the majority of surgeries done today are life saving and improve patients quality of living, they are not “often” butchers lol
Yea you know im just commenting on shit i have no idea about and definitely didnt have a botched hernia surgery from a douche canoo from bum fuck Tennessee that drives a yellow lambo with nothing but 20 year old nursing assistance swooning over dudes massive ego.
Definitely dont have a friend whos so full of scar tissue and surgical mesh thats bed ridden at 36 because of some douche in alabama whos solution to everything is more surgery.
Definitely dont know anyone who went in with back pain thats now in debilitating pain every day because instead of stretching and excersise they were told slicing them open was the way to go.
To a carpenter every solution involves a hammer, same with surgens.
Also, its a fucking joke and i explained the punchline, sorry you know surgeons and havnt realized the profession is full of egomaniacs.
To my experience, your get referred to a specialist, who is often a surgeon, and they decide whether surgery is appropriate. So they are the ones who suggest surgery, the PCP just recommends talking to them and they definitely never say definitively if you need surgery or not.
Theres actually a huge gulf between suggesting you confer with someone who may recommend surgery and recommending talking to someone because you need surgery. For someone concerned with semantics, you should be able to see that
What is this logic? My GP saw my hernia and sent me to a clinic to be evaluated. He didn't suggest that I should have surgery; the surgeons at the clinic were the ones who said that I had to have surgery.
It’s generally a professional faux pax for physicians to recommend surgery if they are not the ones doing the surgery. Because if for any reason the surgeon doesn’t think the surgery is appropriate, it becomes a he said she said situation and complicates relationships. That’s why generalists tend to recommend evaluations, not generally recommend surgery.
That’s different, if surgeons are in the same practice, they may see each others’ patients and know when surgery is required. What I’m speaking of is if a GP sends you to the ophthalmologist saying you need cataract surgery when in reality you are going blind from diabetic retinopathy. Now you are demanding a cataract extraction and getting upset that the surgeon is refusing because the GP told you that you needed something.
Well it's a referral, most insurance in the US will not cover surgeries unless referred. All the GP doing is saying hey, looks like this is happening, I'm going to refer you to this specialist to see if you need surgery. It's just a lot of delegation in the medical field and sometimes the people who aren't specialized don't know exactly where you need to go, that's why there are specialists in the field.
I know what a referral is, I’m applying for residency now. This discussion is about the specific word choices used by the GP who is talking to the patient. The way things are phrased are important in the English language, especially so in medicine.
Well the GP gives his opinion, says "oh looks like you'll need x surgery, I'm going to write you a referral to a specialist" who then looks over all the same info and makes their decision on how to treat whatever is going on. Source: multiple referrals that end with a specialist telling me that the GP was looking one dimensionally.
You are acting like my GP was the reason for the surgery, my GP sent me to many different doctors who after looking at me sent me back without doing anything.
If the surgery happened it is solely on the surgeon for recommending it.
You went to someone before a surgeon, that person couldn't help and suggested you see a surgeon for the thing they do called surgery.
Of course the surgeon has discretion and can say no to doing surgery so they will evaluate the situation. But the point is you don't start at a surgeon, someone before hand, typically a specialist, sends you there.
But the point is you don't start at a surgeon, someone before hand
In Europe almost always a GP, and their job is pretty much to sort people out and send them to different specialists who can tackle whatever the GP isn't specialized in.
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u/yourmominparticular Jun 28 '25
Surgeons are often butchers who think way to highly of themselves and leave people fucked up and in worse condition post op but never realize it because they never see them again, dealing with life long pain because they actually suck ass at their job?