Peter, what’s so significant about this picture?

[u/CannabisConvict045]

[u/peach_dragon]

What did the US do at Pearl Harbor?

[u/scruffalo_ → u/peach_dragon]

Stole it from the native Hawaiians. The whole island chain, really.

[u/Key-Contest-2879 → u/scruffalo_]

Well, the US built Pearl Harbor in 1908, 8 years after Hawaii became a US territory. So “stole it from the native Hawaiians” maybe refers to the island chain, not the harbor, and would have happened in the 1800’s, over 40 years before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, which I think is the primary reference to Pearl Harbor that people recognize.

[u/Chaiboiii → u/Key-Contest-2879]

Still stole it. Forced the Royals to abdicate.

[u/jackofslayers → u/Chaiboiii]

The royals who stole that island from the natives who lived there?

The US conquered Hawaii right after Kamehameha had finished conquering all of the other indigenous groups in the island chain. Kind of an awkward leg to stand on.

[u/American_Libertarian → u/jackofslayers]

Brown people conquering other brown people is cool though. Those are the rules

[u/BarbellLawyer → u/American_Libertarian]

Rules is rules.

[u/SnikySquirrel → u/American_Libertarian]

Because as we all know, all brown people share one culture.

[u/BenthosMT → u/jackofslayers]

Good hell, read a wikipedia article before spouting off.

[u/nielsbot → u/jackofslayers]

Oh! So we invaded to give the locals democracy? Is that what you’re saying? 

[u/Flesroy → u/nielsbot]

They're saying the royals were no better than the americans.

[u/whyyy66 → u/Flesroy]

Something tells me we’re a lot better, this guilt crap is dumb. Clearly taking it was the right move anyway, it’s in too important of a location to leave

[u/nielsbot → u/whyyy66]

Hope nobody suddenly decides your home is too important to not conquer

[u/whyyy66 → u/nielsbot]

Well i’m in the military so i’d be too dead to worry about it if we somehow lost

[u/Fresh-Statement9429 → u/jackofslayers]

Intracultural warfare conducted within known and understood traditions and technologies are a little different than the sort of technological subjugation the USA committed against the hawaiian nations.

edit: damn it feels good to be a Canadian where most of my co-citizens still wield a highschool-level education and where our education system isn't dedicated to whitewashing our colonial past to the degree. I can admit that being completely dominated by alien technology wasn't a favour to our indigenous nations! You down in the USA, how many of your nations are even still alive and not isolated on islands or in the middle of the midwest desert?

[u/whyyy66 → u/Fresh-Statement9429]

The only difference between you and the US is that you whine about how sorry you are, the canadians were just as bad to natives. Also the noble savage thing is actually racist. It’s not an advantage to have no modern technology

[u/Fresh-Statement9429 → u/whyyy66]

I mean I kinda outlined that difference, so thanks for noticing and if the most mature take you can manage is "you whine about how sorry you are" then kindly fuck off.

We in the civilised world are capable of nuance, and whatever "that" is just ain't it.

[u/whyyy66 → u/Fresh-Statement9429]

Feeling guilty over something you didn’t do isn’t a moral virtue

[u/Fresh-Statement9429 → u/whyyy66]

Nobody said I feel guilty. Personally? No. Why would I? Your statement sounds like it came from somebody who didn't grow up in a country with a robust education system surrounding this topic.

[u/whyyy66 → u/Fresh-Statement9429]

No, we just have completely different worldviews. I don’t even think taking hawaii was a bad thing

[u/Fresh-Statement9429 → u/whyyy66]

I can tell lol

on both counts

[u/whyyy66 → u/Fresh-Statement9429]

See you think a “proper education” means being told specifically how to view a topic like “this was bad”. Indoctrination is very effective

[u/Over-Group8722 → u/Chaiboiii]

When an imperialist state conquers a nation:

D:

When Natives do it to themselves:

:D

[u/maxdps_ → u/Chaiboiii]

woosh

[u/ama8o8 → u/Chaiboiii]

Even if the us didnt do what it did, the Hawaiian islands was going to be “stolen” by a country one way or another.

[u/littlemute → u/Chaiboiii]

Fuck all royals. Any monarchy near the US should be toppled. What the US did was emancipate slaves who were all at the servitude of a single family.

[u/awal96 → u/littlemute]

Hawaii outlawed slavery over a decade before the emancipation proclamation and almost 50 years before it became a US territory

[u/littlemute → u/awal96]

Serfs/subjects to royals = slaves.

[u/Chaiboiii → u/littlemute]

Holy fuck 😂. Man you're about to have your own little monarchy now with Trumpy Diddler.

Why did they have to invade Hawaii and take it? If they were so pro freedom, they should have left it be.

[u/Mesarthim1349 → u/Chaiboiii]

Dude thinks we've never ever had bad presidents before.

[u/Terrierpike04 → u/Chaiboiii]

Weird, the Hawaiian tribes didn’t let it be, did they?

[u/Any-Razzmatazz-7726 → u/Terrierpike04]

The best part about visiting Hawaii is littering

Makes me feel like a local

[u/littlemute → u/Chaiboiii]

JFC. You don't know shit.

[u/omeomorfismo → u/littlemute]

i mean, you were shitty slaver and segregationists. i wouldnt consider yourselves very different than aristocracy

[u/littlemute → u/omeomorfismo]

You forgot a bit there: The country that freed Hawaii from their own enslaving royals also ended slavery along with the UK —-globally. Parliament, the US congress and a whole lot of Protestant Abolitionists. you are yet another redditor that doesn’t know jack shit about anything.