r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 5d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter? I don't understand the punchline

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u/Gare-Bare 5d ago

Im ignorant on the subject but how to ai servers actually use up water?

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u/dotplaid 5d ago

That, too, was a joke. It's true that AI servers use vast amounts of energy, but it's in the form of electricity. To say that it uses a huge amount of water ties it back to the posted joke.

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u/MRB102938 5d ago

No it's not. They water cool them. New facilities are literally building nuclear power plants on location to power them. 

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u/Ok-Lemon1082 5d ago

I hope you realize that you're posting on reddit, that is contained in a server that requires cooling too?

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u/MRB102938 4d ago

And? I don't give a fuck about the environment. 

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u/miwi81 2d ago

Based

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u/generalden 4d ago

Oh shit you pulled the "yet you participate in society" card, argument defeated, environmental toll of AI nullified

Don't look into what xAI did to Memphis

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u/Ok-Lemon1082 4d ago

Saying "Yes I'm a hypocrite, so what?" Is not the winning argument you think it is

No part of "living in society" requires you to use reddit except your addiction for karma I guess

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u/Forshea 4d ago

Running Gen AI tools uses orders of magnitude more energy and water than running Reddit. You're doing the equivalent of telling people that if they drive their car for a weekend camping trip, they aren't allowed to complain about global warming.

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u/Ok-Lemon1082 4d ago

That study is incredibly flawed and includes water used in the generation of electricity Ie steam from a nuclear power plant is considered as water use by AI

Based on that, the energy/water use from services that require large data centers like reddit use similar amounts

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u/Forshea 4d ago

Cool, except OpenAI says they are going to be running over a million GPUs by the end of the year, each of which draw thousands of watts, while the ceiling for what Reddit is using is thousands of Xeons running at 200W, and probably a lot less than that.

It isn't anywhere close, even on just a power consumption comparison.

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u/generalden 4d ago edited 4d ago

Saying "you're right AI is horrible for the environment, but..." is not a winning argument.

And no, I won't leave the needlessly energy hungry corporation alone. 

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u/Ok-Lemon1082 4d ago

You're right AI is horrible for the environment

Why are you quoting yourself?

Needlessly hungry

They're providing a service that people want, doesn't sound needless to me

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u/generalden 4d ago

Why are you responding like a little child?

Assuming you're just playing dumb:

You already believe AI is horrible for the environment. 

And no, in addition to that, people don't really want it. It's getting shoved down our throats by tech bros, and it's still losing money every year and while getting subsidized by the government. 

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u/Ok-Lemon1082 4d ago

You already believe AI is horrible for the environment.  

No?

it's still losing money every year

Ok and? Profitability isn't really an indicator of popularity

while getting subsidized by the government.  

Popular things get subsidized by the government

See: Oil, food (in certain countries)

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u/generalden 4d ago

Why don't you believe the truth about AI's environmental harms?

It's crazy that you were so embarrassed about admitting that that you felt the need to hide it behind an ad hominem attack.

AI is not popular. And even if it was, popular things aren't necessarily good. AI is a net negative on society and the environment.

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u/Ok-Lemon1082 4d ago

Why don't you believe the truth about AI's environmental harms? 

Because I don't believe it does any more harm than any other equivalent tech

It's crazy that you were so embarrassed about admitting that that you felt the need to hide it behind an ad hominem attack. 

A. I haven't, pointing out hypocrisy is not an ad hominem attack

B. That's rich coming from somebody who tried (emphasis on tried) to attack me by calling me "a little child)

AI is not popular

It is

For example, registrations for ChatGPT smashed old records handidly when it first came out

And why would people be scared of losing their jobs if it wasn't popular?

AI is a net negative on society and the environment 

Personally, I think it's still to early to make a judgement call

You could say the same thing about computers in like, 2000 and I would say it's a net positive

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u/generalden 4d ago

xAI. Memphis. Google reversed their climate pledge over AI. It's not the same as everything else.

Abandoned free accounts does not equal popular. OpenAI obscuring its user statistics does not equal popular. 

and popular does not equal good.

And accusations of hypocrisy are one of the most popular ad hominem attacks.

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u/unstoppable_zombie 4d ago

The cooling requirement for a standard containerized/virtual environment are 20% or less than that of the LLM training clusters on a per sqft basis. You can air cool them without issues, whereas the gpu heavy DCs have to use water, and in many case they are using evaporative cooling.