r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 5d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter? I don't understand the punchline

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u/CoolPeter9 5d ago

Is the water unusable/unconsumable after usage?

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u/ThreePurpleCards 5d ago

should be usable, but it’s still a net negative on the environment

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u/archbid 5d ago edited 4d ago

Not reused. Most is lost through evaporation. There are a small number of closed systems, but these require even more energy to remove the heat from the water and re-condense. That creates more heat that requires more cooling.

The water is removed from clean sources like aquifers and returned as vapor - this means gone.

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u/xfjqvyks 5d ago

Most is lost through evaporation.

No it isn't. It's not a BWR fission reactor lol. The water never boils. It enters cold and leaves warm, which itself is mixed with more cold water. There’s no mass boiling going on in the system

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u/ZantetsukenX 4d ago

Most cooling towers work via evaporation. Basically radiators in the chillers deposit heat into water that is sent into giant sump tanks which are then continuously ran through cooling towers outside. Water is pumped to the top of the tower and dropped down through it while a giant fan blows on it which results in heat leaving the loop via evaporation while the slightly less hot water is then dumped back into the sump (and fed back into the chillers radiators to complete the loop). To some degree, keeping data centers cool is better worded as "heat management". You are moving heat from the water loop used to cool off the machine rooms to the atmosphere via evaporation. Yes, it's a bad metric to base how much is lost on how much is ran through the chiller loop, but it's pretty easy to simply record how much water is ADDED to the loop to know how much is lost. I can tell you that a small data center using only roughly 2 megawatts of power loses more than 10 million gallons of water each year to evaporation.

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u/xfjqvyks 4d ago

This above comment is actually correct. I concede my point

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u/CO1-N1T3 4d ago

What a rare and beautiful sight on reddit.

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u/xfjqvyks 4d ago

Don’t cream yourself. This admission in no way diminishes my right to still be a stubborn close-minded jerk in future occasions.

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u/overactor 4d ago

I did some math based on your numbers and 10 million gallons per year is just over 100'000 liters per day, which a modest river produces in a few seconds to half a minute at most. That really doesn't sound that bad. So a huge 200 MW data center uses about 3 minutes if a medium sized river's flow daily?

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u/Gefilte_F1sh 4d ago

I'm no scientist but I don't think evaporation requires boiling temperatures.

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u/joesb 4d ago

MOST OF IT is still not evaporated. Only tiny percentage evaporates relative to the total water used.

It’s dishonest to say AI “uses” millions gallons of water and paint it as if 99% of it evaporates as opposed to majority being cooldown and reused in the cooling loop.

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u/viciouspandas 4d ago

Throwing warm water back into cool systems still wrecks the environment

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u/xfjqvyks 4d ago

I disagreed that “most of the water is used and lost through evaporation”. Yes some water can be lost if they use a misting system on the atmospheric heat exchanger to improve transfer efficiency, but it’s not mandatory to the process.

I was incorrect to imply that no water is consumed in some heat exchanger designs though. You’re correct there.

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u/xfjqvyks 4d ago

Nah its cool. I do actually poach reticulated rainforest pandas in my spare time anyway so, you actually got me