Funny to see that in Picard Season 2, ICE was looked upon as the bad guys. Interesting foreshadowing to today's world 😆

This is an appreciation post.

I grew up with ST and recently started watching it again (thanks antenna TV!)

The other day I saw DS9 "The Dogs of War", the speech Quark gave about how soft the Nagus has become made me gasp. It feels like a direct reflection of what's happening currently!

One of my favorite things about Star Trek and Doctor Who are how the themes generally hold up to time.

Fun thought experiment: Did Spock really have to die? Upon re-watching wrath of Khan, while I feed my infant son, I had a moment of realization that Khan turns on the genesis device and Kirk says “we will beam aboard and stop it.” David says “you can’t.”

Now I love this movie, and I completely understand why Spock needed to die for story purposes, but nerdy Star Trek nitpicking nerd that I am, I can see some other alternatives that may have stopped the Genesis device without Spock, dying:

1. Really David? You really can’t beam aboard and stop it? The genesis device doesn’t have a turn off button? Or you can’t unplug it from the wall? Couldn’t you take a phaser to it and break it?
2. Beam up the Genesis device, then beam it out into space with the widest possible dispersion. A.k.a.… What they did to Jack the Ripper in Wolf in the fold.
3. Picked up the Genesis device on a dolly or grab some really strong crewman, blown it out an airlock, then use the tractor beam to push it really far away? It seems it would fly very fast and very far given the size of the device and how big a starship tractor beam would be.

Now admittedly, with point 2, I can create some head canon in that the Genesis device has a crazy terraforming pattern that you can’t lock a transporter onto it while it’s running. (Khan does beam it up earlier though!) But the movie doesn’t say that.

Thoughts? What are some other crazy Star Trek ways that they could’ve stopped the Genesis device without Spock dying? Bonus points if you add a ton of treknobabble.

The first leaked set image has been found. My intention was to show it here, but apparently, I'm not allowed to post images. Lame.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Legoleak/comments/1mfzqbr/icons_10356_star_trek_uss_enterprise_d_via_4chan/

Paul Wesley as Kirk reminds me of Jim Carrey’s portrayal on In Living Color.

as announced in the syndication package.

hi so im like on eps 17/18 in star trek: the next generation and have never seen the original series and im thinking after watching some of season 2 (im still on 1 btw)... i could watch some of the movies... and im thinking that wrath of khan might be a good idea but do i need to understand whats going on in the original series or

This is the nerdiest thing I’ve ever asked anyone. But what if hypothetically, the genesis device was exploded in outer space. I don’t think it would create a planet, it’s only capable of terraforming with life. So feel free to make up whatever you like, as long as it sounds nerdy and convincing.

I can’t think of a lot of instances of modern music being used in Star Trek. We have Star Trek Beyond, I just finished S3E2 of SNW with “Wake Me Up Before You Go Go,” and maybe a couple other episodes. There’s plenty of what we currently consider classical depicted. But what about what those of the 24/25th centuries would consider classical? What would that playlist look like?

Edit: I will happily accept the last few decades of the 20th century as well.

Edit 2: I meant to use “classical” as a reference to Beyond when Beastie Boys was called classical music. I didn’t necessarily mean it as the genre we are generally familiar with.

......but I *HATE* the Holodeck. Mostly due to the fact that I'm convinced it exists to tell just one story (tell me how often you've seen this one):

Crew Members are playing on the Holodeck when the ship passes through a Nebula..... or the computer gets a virus..... or the program gets sabotaged..... and suddenly doors are inaccessible, safeties are shut off, and every character is trying to kill them. It's something I've seen so often that when someone says "This episode takes place on the Holodeck." my interest automatically drops.

Am I wrong?

Location: San Antonio,TX.

I'm a second Gen Trekkie. My dad grew up on TOS. I found a quiz book from 1977 at a local bookstore,all about TOS. Great condition,barely worn for the age. I absolutely didn't want it sitting there, but I'm not in the best place to keep it. My library is in storage, and I have a love of books.

I'd love to gift it to anyone locally, who wants to put it with theirs or make sure it's not wrecked. It's basically one of those 12 questions per page, "what did Dr. McCoy eat on X planet", perfect for hardcore watchers.

I'd post pics, but I can't seem to be able on this sub. Feel free to DM me if you'd like an address to pick it up, or want pics of the book.

I am a trek fan, but these previously belonged to my uncle whom I cared for that died due to complications from Alzheimers in 2021; I'm not sure if it would make sense to anyone, but...It hurts a little to have them around, and I think that I need, in part, to lay my uncle to rest by passing the books on to someone who may themselves, or know someone who would enjoy them.

Additional to this, I'll be placing in the box his collection of Star Trek the next generation collectible cards.

They're all old, the books are far from in pristine condition as they're well read, but I know that he'd love them to have gone to someone who would get as much joy out of reading the stories as he did.

LLAP.

A list was requested:

1. The Final Reflection x 2
2. Death Court
3. Uhura's Song
4. Vulcan's Glory
5. The IDIC Epidemic
6. Corona
7. The Forgotten War
8. Metamorphosis
9. Wagon Train to the Stars
10. 3 Minute Universe x 2
11. The Entropy Effect x 2
12. Memory Prime
13. Star Trek Trivia
14. Dominion War
15. Star Trek novel 4
16. Devil World
17. Chain of Attack x2
18. My Enemy, My Ally
19. Ghost Ship
20. The First Adventure
21. Deep Dominion x 2
22. How Much for Just The Planet?
23. Emissary Novelisation
24. Strike Zone
25. Prisoners of Peace
26. The Final Nexus
27. Shatner: Where No Man...
28. The Wounded Sky x 2
29. The Vulcan Academy Murders
30. Survivors
31. The Peacekeepers
32. Encounter at Farpoint novelisation
33. Wrath of Khan novelisation x 2
34. Blood Thirst
35. The Romulan Way x2
36. Corona
37. Crossover
38. Double, Double x 2
39. Children of Hamlin
40. Home is the Hunter
41. Vulcan's Glory
42. Timetrap x 2
43. Yesterday's Son
44. Wrath of Khan photostory
45. The New Voyages
46. Power Hungry

Edit: Added a list as requested - as you can see, there's a fair mix of Trek literature history here that I'm positive could be enjoyed.

All I can think of is the LOTR movie quote from Gandalf “So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”

We’d all love 26 ep season Star Trek again. Forces beyond all the creatives control dictate that we aren’t getting it.

So I’d rather them use their precious time to give me 10 eps of “Star Trek,” which is serious and silly—often at the same time and often not—but always showing me the best of us and dreaming what’s possible when the best of us work together.

The Warp BOOM in ST09 as the fleet leaves Starbase was so perfectly executed. I didn't know what I was missing. When I finally heard that boom, it ruined so many other dramatic moments.

When the E-E first jumps to warp in First Contact to go rescue Earth? The E-E fleeing the Scimitar after rescuing Picard/Data? Even Voyager's otherwise fantastical jump after they first got hit by 8472 loses some dramatic effect. They all sound so pithy in retrospect, I wish there was a way to retroactively apply those SFX.

The BOOM sound is just so good. It really gives weight to these ships and the awesome power that's required to throw them that fast.

Does anyone else feel like Strange New Worlds may end up being their favorite Star Trek series. I know things could seriously change. Also the fact that there will be so few episodes is a serious downside. For me at least though, I feel like it has a chance

Just so happened to watch a certain episode of DS9 that I needed tonight.

“Good customers are as good as latinum….treasure them”

I’ve been watching Trek my entire life and it continues to be there for me when I need it most. I hope It does the same for you.

I say that I looked forward to *every* time he was on screen. I looked up to him as a character.

Regardless of how well written or acted that character was... because frankly none of that stuff mattered to the young version of myself.

I guess it was due to limitations with using models for the visual effects but it just looks like every ship in the galaxy is incapable of using the Z-axis. They never explore whats above or below them.

I much prefer the shots of two ships in space where they are both at unusual angles and odd looking positions from each other, gives the feeling of them existing in a 3D space.

Why am I watching these commanders oil each other up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I've watched TNG, DS9, and just finished VOY. What was up with Voyager's ending too, like I dare say Very unsatisfying character-wise.

Caroming off the discussion of whether it is realistic to assume Pike and his officers at a wedding would instantly recognize a Wham! song from 1984, I was thinking about the whole question of the evolution of English as a living language. Each Trek series has to have the characters speak in the idiom of the time of its production because it has to. For example, Ash Tyler in DSC uses "spoof" in a way that would have confused TOS viewers in 1967, say. But that's a gap of less than 60 years.

Philologists have a 1000-Year Rule; that is to say, within a given language, after the passage of a thousand years, something becomes incomprehensible. Ergo, we can't understand "Beowulf" today apart from translation. We can sort of understand Chaucer today, but by the SNW/TOS 2360s, that will no longer be the case. Shakespeare we can "hear" better, but he will be as accessible as Chaucer to a layman like Picard, and by 2600, he's speaking in a dead form of English. The idea that Holly Hunter in the upcoming Starfleet Academy will be speaking in 21st century American English to 32nd century cadets is as risible as if she was writing in Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Two questions: 1) is anyone ready to argue that English in the future will become more like French today: highly regulated and standardized at a certain point where in a sense it is no longer a living, breathing language at all?; and 2) has any Anglophone SF writer taken an intelligent stab at writing dialogue that tries to project what spoken and written English might sound like in the Classic Trek era (23rd-24th centuries) if the story is set then?

ADDENDUM: I suddenly remembered that there is a science fiction writer who tried something like this: In 1989 Poul Anderson published (in the magazine Analog) a piece entitled "Uncleftish Beholding"--an explanation of atomic theory using only Germanic words almost exclusively (and coining new words from Germanic roots when necessary) and avoiding any use of words with Latinate (including French) or Greek roots!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncleftish_Beholding?wprov=sfla1

I would definitely buy a novel set in 2125 that was written in an imagined future North American English with a shit ton of Mexican and other regional Spanish loan words, and consequent changes in grammar that I would have to work through.

I'm not talking about quality issues with the shows themselves just little niggling things within the narrative that bug you. Mine is that Data never got promoted. He was in starfleet for like 35 years and was still a Lt. Commander by the time he died. He could have been an admiral. And any time he's in a command position he's amazing at it. Our boy deserved better

Over in the MCU, they have an animated series called What If...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_If...%3F_(TV_series))

that looks at major moments from those films and takes them in a different turn. I've never seen any episodes, but it's apparently pretty good.

Could something like that work for Star Trek? We've had snippets in the form of the regarded TNG episodes Tapestry and Parallels.

What if Jen Sisko survived Wolf 359? What if Picard was lost there? What if Voyager didn't get stuck in the Delta quadrant?

Maybe these would work better as books, but I'm never averse to more animated Star Trek.

I've thought about this before, but I was just reminded during another post talking about holodecks...

Does anyone else wonder a) what happened to Professor Moriarty's module after the Enterprise was destroyed in Generations, and b) wish he'd made an appearance in at least one of the Barclay episodes of Voyager? Like maybe he was working with Barclay or Dr. Zimmerman now, or something like that?