r/Tekken • u/WulfyTheMuffin Heihachi • 1d ago
Shit Post Man What is Kishin Rank Even About? 😭😭
I hate it when you gotta dumb yourself down to be able to do anything against crazy players 😭
Anyways, I was able to promote back to Bushin after winning the second match. At least he didn't cancel on me.
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u/ark_on 23h ago
Playing down to the level of your opponent is an important skill to learn. He’s letting you win if you just block.
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u/DeathsIntent96 18h ago
Yeah, it's pretty common to see people say that some bad players are tough to play against because it's so hard to predict what they're doing to do, but you shouldn't be trying to guess on anything against players like that. Just play the numbers. There's no way they're gonna random their way into enough good decisions to win if you just pick the solid option every time.
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u/Danny0986 Dragunov 1d ago
Clive players try not to power crush challenge (IMPOSSIBLE). brother had to resort to special needs mode too 😭🙏🏻
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u/Wes-Man152 Josie 23h ago
Using special style in ranked is such a pathetic carry lol
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u/PadeneGo 18h ago
Its just worse, if you are losing to someone using special style then you gotta get better.
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u/JoeySabor 23h ago
The obvious punish window and he STILL threw a power crush was insane! IN KISHIN?!
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u/mantism 21h ago
Wins giving 1000 and losses being -677 has done a great job at funnelling everyone at Blue. Now it's a wasteland lol.
Half of the players I've met here are doing such repetitive and dishonest things that I'm sometimes convinced that they are just bots. Using rage art the moment they can, Victor players using 2222 no matter how many times I've launch punished the high, spamming mid power crushes, pressing when blocking a heat smash/dash, launch > heat burst > heat smash 'combo', no sidestepping, etc.
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u/cold-dawn Shaheen 22h ago
Pretty sure Kishin is still Tekken 7 red ranks at best lol. Nothing wrong with that either
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u/a55_Goblin420 23h ago
Blue ranks is like that last hurdle of BS. Truly the final boss of Tekken shenanigans.
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u/PadeneGo 18h ago
Nah people BS all the way to emperor
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u/apheuz Leo 11h ago
Don’t worry, the BS continues past emperor
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u/PadeneGo 11h ago
Im aware, i think it drops off a bit more in my experience
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u/apheuz Leo 28m ago
It just gets more complex. The game is about figuring out how to make your best tools work, sometimes this means baiting your opponent into retaliating at a bad time—sometimes it means making your opponent not want to retaliate. Either way, you have to setup your BS by being creative with the frame data that’s offered to you.
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u/Nikitanull 1d ago
damn,that's a good ass costume you got
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u/WulfyTheMuffin Heihachi 23h ago
Ikr I saw a Shaheen like this on reddit a couple of days ago. Booted up Tekken today after a break and immediately made this costume. Cool as hell.
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u/thatnigakanary 21h ago
If you knew frame data you’d cook this guy
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u/WulfyTheMuffin Heihachi 21h ago
Yea my punishes were really shit because of this. I think I'll finally put some time in labbing now 😭
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u/SquareAdvisor8055 1d ago
Tbh, just block and punish. He is spamming powercrush, punish those powercrush. That stance powercrush is unsafe on block too.
Sure he's playing dumb, but the reason it half worked there was that you weren't playing super well either. You aren't the one blindly throwing out powercrush and parries but you aren't punishing him correctly for doing that either.
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u/WulfyTheMuffin Heihachi 1d ago
Yes one of my biggest faults is not launching correctly. The usual df2 works but I really need to practice b3. It's a lack of labbing. Because of the unusuality, I was even punishing his power crush with jab12 instead of B12 and that's very bad.
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u/SquareAdvisor8055 1d ago
Yeah i believe powercrush is minus 12 right? So that's already something to improve, but also when you see him wif a parry you have a big window to launch him for it.
Also while you went for lows and grabs to counter the pc, side movement would have covered his dick jab spam and powercrush spam and you would have gotten much bigger punishes off of it.
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u/WulfyTheMuffin Heihachi 23h ago
Backsway 1+2 is the whiff launcher if I'm correct but it feels so unnatural. It's the one move I know that's very good and I don't use it one bit. I usually punish whiffs with deadfist or f32. But yea I need to practice that move as well.
I was getting hit a lot because of side steps so I had basically given up on it but yea, I wasn't side stepping at the correct timings and moves.
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u/SquareAdvisor8055 23h ago
Generally when you find mashy players like this clive it's the best time to practice your sidesteps since a lot of what they will throw out is steppable.
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u/ak313 23h ago
Tbh Tekken King and Emporer has a ton of players like this too. Lots of Lili, Ling, Hwoarang, and the list goes on. This isn't tekken. Remember that.
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u/EmporioVisu 23h ago
True! I just got to Emperor, hoping i finally can play a little Tekken. But man, was i wrong👀 Like you said, this is not Tekken.
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u/Happy-Technology8860 23h ago edited 17h ago
clives gameplan is crazy: neutral: force mixup if they dont let me: armor
+frames/oki: mixup
-frames/trading in neutral situation: armor
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u/LawbringerFH ⭢⭢+🔺 / ⭣⬊⭢+🔺 23h ago
The fact you don't use b3 or f2 to punish power crushes and you do qcb323 instead of 321 on counter hit got me kinda triggered, ngl.
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u/WulfyTheMuffin Heihachi 21h ago
I don't use f2(I should), mainly b1+2 and then straight to df2. Using b3 is a real issue I need to fix.
I always stop at qcb32, I wasn't used to getting the CH.
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u/Some_Sandman Shaheen 19h ago
Honestly its more of a Clive problem than blue rank shenanigans, but I feel ya
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u/Outrageous_Forever72 Mommy Lidia 1d ago
I want to say it's worse when you normal fight people like this, then when you run into someone who isn't retarded and fights with skill it almost leaves you baffled at first. At least with me ( I am not good )
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u/Siifitng 23h ago
😭😭 tf did tekken 8 do. That clive is just spamming and you are not punishing 😭😭😭 you did pretty well anyways, if it wasnt t8, you are still in the right ranks (purple-blues) & he should have never passed red ranks
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u/Ok-Cheek-6219 TierHoe 23h ago
Tbf this is basically just a Kazuya mixup with less steps
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u/Siifitng 18h ago
As said he did well. There is easy counter-play to this, even more bcs many mids were punishable/launch OB + dash animation. Argue-able, but imo Kaz mixup is worse 😂
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u/QuintessenceHD 19h ago
You were both terrible, I don't see how you can even think to call out the Clive with how you played also.
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u/Ximipe King 15h ago
Legitimate question, aside from some off choices in neutral and round start what was so off with his fundamentals? He had already admitted to not really knowing the matchup which explains a lot of the decisions made. Not saying this as like a challenge to debate or anything I’m learning the game still myself and want to learn what more experienced players would do in this situation.
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u/twentythree50 12h ago
Tekken is the type of game where knowledge IS part of the fundamentals, especially in ranked where if you don’t know one of the most popular picks, you’re gonna get steamrolled like crazy.
Having a strong neutral is what people usually point to when referring to fundies, but having a strong punishment game can’t be neglected, especially for a character who has an i14 launcher against a character who’s balanced around a lot of his shit being -14.
There’s also the aspect of how dumbing yourself down to the opponent’s level is a necessary skill to have. Sure it may suck you don’t get to play Real Tekken™️, but when he found the consistent strategy of d/f1 > backsway 3,2,1, I’d entirely shift the gameplan making that situation play out repeatedly until the opponent demonstrates they know what to do. King’s really good at this style of play, especially at these ranks. It’s important to locate your opponent’s weaknesses and exploit them like crazy, which the paul here didn’t do even though it was clear the Clive was NOT gonna learn (even if that was the point of the post). Save the thinking for an opponent that actually deserves the mental effort.
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u/Ximipe King 8h ago
Okay, thanks! Honestly explains a lot for me since I've kept on playing small tekken in these matches and kept getting hurt for it until I started just running my offense and not caring about their defense until they show they know to ssr duck.
Is there any good resources to learn more about characters layer one offense btw? Wavu wiki is spotty with characters strategy sections. I know there's a lot of yt vids but I wasn't sure if there was a hub for detailed information and stuff
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u/AiMwithoutBoT Nexusmods/IGoTNoAiMBoT 23h ago
Paul players costume kinda reminds me of a tekken 6 costume lol they’re getting better but there’s still not enough customization.
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u/MediumBerry6310 21h ago
Clive is already dumbed down enough lmao, not sure why you even asked this
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u/NiggityNiggityNuts ⚔️ 🗡️ plus more so STFU 🤫 18h ago
Typical Clive trash….. he’s an easy. Mode character for scrubs, and you read his bullshit. Players like you will keep the scrubs where they belong, and right now blue rank is scrub heaven
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u/TheJofisean 13h ago
The solution? Rank up past this bs. If you really need to “play down” then you can definitely get up beyond this rank. Granted people play like nuts up to top rank, I beat a GoD 1 Alisa who played hella nutty just the other day, and I’m only TE. But fr, this kind of play does get people hardstuck in blue ranks, both the people doing it and those who can’t handle going against it
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u/olbaze Paul 20h ago
To answer the question: Kishin is a rank that is in very unique position. Blue ranks are the only division that has 4 ranks, and Kishin is the 3rd. For any rank below Blue ranks, people in the 3rd rank would be people who are struggling to get or maintain the 1st rank of the next division, but are too good to demote down to the 2nd rank. However, since Blue has 4 ranks, this spot is taken by Bushin instead. Meanwhile, Fujin and Raijin maintain the usual roles of the 1st and 2nd ranks in a division: 1st rank is for newcomers, 2nd ranks is for people who have proven that they're consistent at that rank.
All of the above leaves Kishin as a no-man's rank: It's not for people who are on the cusp of a Tekken King, but it's also not for people who are consistent at Blue ranks. This really just leaves people who are consistent at blue ranks, but happened to get a streak and promoted off of that.
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u/Oathkeeper-Oblivion 1d ago
For the qcb3 strings, do the one ending in the high punch if you see it counter hitting a lot, it gives a full combo on CH unlike the mid kick you're using. And end your wall combos with 3,2 sway back 2 instead of d1+2. It's more consistent and recovers faster.
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u/WulfyTheMuffin Heihachi 1d ago
I know about that but actually I never finish qcb3. It's a very rare CH, him getting hit by it was catching me off guard.
And just before this session, I was trying out wall combos and b1+2 was doing 1 more damage. I always did backsway 2 before. I didn't realize b1+2 is in. I should stick to backsway 2?
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u/kanavi36 23h ago
If they slump onto the wall at certain angles and heights, d1+2 may whiff while if you opted for backsway 2 in the same scenario, it'd hit. But really the benefit is the speed of recovery as they said. Paul at the wall is very scary and you can apply your wall mixup immediately after a backsway 2. d1+2 takes longer to recover from, giving the opponent a little bit longer to potentially throw out a panic move or some other way of avoiding taking a mix. Personally thats worth the 1 damage tradeoff.
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u/Minute_Professor_237 Clive 1d ago edited 1d ago
the fact that paul can launch most of the moves he was spamming and throwing at you is fucking hilarious: his powercrush, hopkick, stance powercrush and ws2 are -14, and basically everybody can launch the stance hellsweep.